15:00:15 #startmeeting modularity_wg 15:00:15 #meetingtopic Bi-weekly Meeting of the Modularity Working Group 15:00:15 #chair dgilmore langdon tflink 15:00:15 Meeting started Tue Dec 13 15:00:15 2016 UTC. The chair is nils. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'modularity_wg' 15:00:15 Current chairs: dgilmore langdon nils tflink 15:00:39 #topic Roll Call 15:00:48 .hello nphilipp 15:00:50 nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' 15:00:58 hi all :) 15:01:03 .hello jkurik 15:01:04 jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' 15:01:05 hey Ralph 15:01:09 .hello asamalik 15:01:10 asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' 15:01:10 hey Jan 15:01:12 hey everyone :) 15:01:19 * nils waves 15:01:24 * asamalik will be 2-3 mins afk 15:01:38 .hello sgallagh 15:01:39 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 15:01:44 .hello ttorling 15:01:45 moto-timo: ttorling 'Tim Orling' 15:02:08 .hello tflink 15:02:09 tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' 15:02:24 .hello langgon 15:02:25 langdon: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:02:27 .hello langdon 15:02:28 langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' 15:02:34 be nice if i could spell my name 15:02:54 .hello psabata 15:02:55 contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' 15:03:07 .hello james 15:03:08 geppetto: james 'James Antill' 15:03:14 eh, close enough 15:03:30 .hello karsten 15:03:31 karsten: karsten 'Karsten Hopp' 15:04:09 #chair sct 15:04:09 Current chairs: dgilmore langdon nils sct tflink 15:04:15 .hello sct 15:04:16 sct: sct 'Stephen Tweedie' 15:04:37 Alright, here's the Agenda for today according to the Etherpad -- http://piratepad.net/modularity-wg-agendas 15:04:46 #topic Agenda 15:04:46 #info Skip/move next meeting (Dec 27th)? 15:04:46 #info Factory 2.0 status (threebean) 15:04:48 * asamalik is back 15:04:59 anything that should be added? 15:05:02 lets add adam presenting demos 15:05:06 ypu 15:05:09 yup even 15:05:10 * asamalik has updates about demos 15:05:16 langdon: yeah, that :) 15:05:19 #info Sprint Demos 15:05:25 contyk, threebean do y'all want to do pointers to demos too? 15:06:13 http://threebean.org/blog/category/factory2/ 15:06:33 langdon: I'd do all demos under one topic 15:06:34 we don't have any public demos [yet] 15:06:57 Asamalik do you want to do an update on website? You said in a previous meeting you wanted help but needed to lay some ground work first 15:07:24 Nils.. Yeah.. Sorry.. I meant did they want to be part of the agenda.. Vs now 15:07:25 langdon: I can do! 15:07:44 ok 15:07:54 #info Website Update 15:08:10 good... 15:08:13 That's all I had in my head 15:08:25 refresh of Modularity WG members as part of running elections 15:08:32 Ohh right 15:08:33 may I talk a bit about this ? 15:08:37 jkurik: good point 15:08:44 Yeah.. Add to agenda 15:08:49 #info refresh of Modularity WG members as part of running elections 15:09:12 let's get started 15:09:25 #topic Skip/move next meeting (Dec 27th)? 15:09:49 skip :) 15:09:52 So, next meeting would be between Christmas and New Year, I'd expect many people to be unavailable 15:09:59 +1! 15:10:01 myself for instance 15:10:02 * tflink won't be around 15:10:11 +1 15:10:11 +1 15:10:31 +1 15:10:37 +1 15:10:37 +1 .. but i might be in irc #f-m anyway.. in case anyone has thoughts 15:10:39 .hello linuxmodder 15:10:40 linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'None' 15:11:06 * langdon will be at the in-laws and may be looking for an escape 15:11:14 ha 15:11:15 langdon: haha 15:11:46 so, let's officially skip it and who is around is around and can talk if they want :) 15:12:16 nils: Perhaps just move it out to the week after the New Year, rather than entirely skipping it? 15:12:24 It might be useful to reconvene soon after 15:12:34 opinions on that one? 15:12:41 yeah.. just shift 15:12:46 +1 to sgallagh 15:12:49 that works 15:12:50 I'll be back from PTO then and can host it 15:13:01 +1 15:13:15 so move Dec 27th to Jan 3rd? 15:13:25 * langdon digs up cal 15:13:39 +1 to jan. 3 15:13:42 +1 15:14:00 and then two weeks after that, wash, rinse, repeat? 15:14:05 moto-timo, right 15:14:10 * asamalik 's +1 was also for Jan 3rd 15:14:12 moto-timo: I'd leave the upcoming as they are 15:14:12 can we ask jkurik to do the needful? 15:14:15 +1 15:14:29 hmmm, I am not sure whether FedoCal can do this ... 15:14:29 otherwise all scheduled meetings would have to be shifted? 15:14:30 nils, ohh.. so back to back weeks? 15:14:41 although.. i wonder if devconf will be messy 15:14:47 I will figure it out how to put it into Fedocal 15:15:08 so, move the complete schedule out one week? 15:15:11 *by one week 15:15:29 looking at travel for devconf.. i actually wonder if your proposal is better 15:15:30 Dec 27th becomes Jan 3rd, Jan 10th becomes 17th and so on? 15:15:35 like just do a one off on the 3rd 15:15:50 cause i can more easily do the 24th than the 31s 15:15:51 t 15:16:04 okay 15:16:14 so.. lets give options 15:16:20 using us naming 15:16:40 * langdon types 15:16:47 #agreed The WG meeting on Dec 27th will be moved to Jan 3rd, subsequent meetings are unaffected 15:16:58 #undo 15:16:58 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by nils at 15:16:47 : The WG meeting on Dec 27th will be moved to Jan 3rd, subsequent meetings are unaffected 15:17:08 option-1 ) 1/3, 1/10, 1/24, 2/7 15:17:33 option-2 ) 1/3, 1/17, 1/31, 2/14 15:17:37 vote! 15:17:38 :) 15:17:41 1 15:17:46 option-1 ++ 15:17:58 1 15:18:11 option-3 ) 1/10, 1/24, 2/7 (means just skip the Dec 27th) ? 15:18:20 jkurik, point 15:18:37 although.. might be nice to have "we are back for the new year" even if light 15:18:42 so i think i am still option-1 15:18:52 I'm still on PTO on the 3rd, so would like to keep the 10th if possible 15:18:58 agnostic 15:19:02 still 1 15:19:10 ok.. then option-1 it is.. i say! ;) 15:19:15 I am option-1 15:19:16 1 15:19:25 and .. if people skip 1/3 .. meh 15:19:33 \o/ 15:19:34 we will make it essentially an open floor 15:19:40 then it will be short meeting and I don't have problems with that :) 15:19:44 and move any real agenda to 1/10 15:20:06 meh.. i am not sure on the last part 15:20:08 I'm fine for either 15:20:11 langdon: but I'll put it as "next meeting" in the pad 15:20:14 let's just go with option-1 and see what happens 15:20:17 yup 15:20:25 #agreed The WG meeting on Dec 27th will be moved to Jan 3rd, subsequent meetings are unaffected 15:20:34 can zodbot #redo? 15:20:43 #dejavu 15:20:57 moto-timo, that would be awesome 15:20:57 nils: #undo then rewrite it 15:21:18 sgallagh: I did #undo it already :) 15:21:20 ok.. jkurik that doable in fedocal? 15:21:36 I am not sure, but I will do it somehow 15:21:46 #action jkurik update fedocal accordingly 15:21:53 ok next 15:22:02 #topic Factory 2.0 status (threebean) 15:22:06 #chair threebean 15:22:06 Current chairs: dgilmore langdon nils sct tflink threebean 15:22:11 :) 15:22:30 let me start by asking, "what do you want to know?" 15:22:51 the factory 2.0 team is working along four projects right now. three of them are mostly internal.. 15:22:53 * langdon flips calendar back to day view to actually be able to read the content 15:22:59 we don't know what we don't know! 15:23:03 :p 15:23:14 is it done yet ;) 15:23:16 threebean, are we on track to have a modular server for f26? 15:23:25 kinda what moto-timo said ;) 15:23:33 yeah, we are. 15:23:45 we're getting the MBS ready for production ad we have our worked scoped out but not yet started for pungi. 15:23:53 what does MvP stand for? 15:24:03 minimum viable product 15:24:04 minimum viable product 15:24:09 comes from the startup world 15:24:09 thanks 15:24:14 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1404012 15:24:26 how do you get something out the door to put in front of users and get feedback as quickly as possible 15:24:37 threebean: wow cool! 15:25:06 threebean, will we have automatic rebuilds? 15:25:17 this will make local builds easy :) 15:25:43 we have the bits all submitted for doing dist-git taskotron checks of module changes.. and we're currently waiting for a new release of taskotron to have that in staging and prod. 15:25:57 cool 15:25:59 that should be ready before the holidays. 15:26:12 as for automatic rebuilds, no. we're pushing that off until the F27 time frame. 15:26:20 ok 15:26:35 fyi, the automatic rebuild logic will be housed in a service we're calling the continuous-compose service (CCS, for short). 15:26:40 i wonder if a new infra diagram with something showing "what is done/will be done" would be helpful 15:27:01 hm. 15:27:12 could be useful for the devconf presentation.. yes. 15:27:25 just a thought 15:27:36 ok.. more qs? more to report? or move on 15:27:38 ? 15:28:17 hmm 15:28:19 some #infos? 15:28:22 is it a silver bullet? 15:28:25 no. 15:28:27 will it solve all of our problems? 15:28:29 no. 15:28:30 ;) 15:28:32 :) 15:28:36 is it just modularity? 15:28:42 for this meeting, yes. 15:28:46 but no. 15:28:50 i thinks it's jus a web app, not a silver bulet! 15:29:01 ha 15:29:03 * contyk forgot the other three questions from the presentation 15:29:13 oh right, a web app 15:30:07 ok.. nils ... next? 15:30:21 langdon, threebean: something to #info? :D 15:30:38 I mean, I'm alright if we tell people "read the log". 15:30:42 and I assume somebody is on the hook to review it 15:30:43 how about "on track to deliver fedora modular server in f-2 infra" 15:30:45 #into MBS preparing for production.. packaging.. ansible. on track for F26 Alpha freeze. 15:30:48 #info MBS preparing for production.. packaging.. ansible. on track for F26 Alpha freeze. 15:30:57 cool, thanks! 15:30:58 #info Compose work for F26 has been scoped but not yet started. 15:31:17 #info Taskotron CI pieces submitted upstream and merged. Deployment pending for module-checks on dist-git commit. 15:31:39 #info Not a webapp. 15:31:46 :) 15:31:46 👍 15:31:46 :P 15:31:55 good for next? 15:31:56 im pretty sure there is a web app 15:32:06 and only a weba app 15:32:09 *web 15:32:11 langdon: I guess as in "the Internet is not the Web" 15:32:13 NEXT 15:32:16 ha 15:32:22 #topic Sprint Demos 15:32:22 FEDORA.NEXT 15:32:30 ROTFL 15:32:33 #chair asamalik 15:32:33 Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore langdon nils sct tflink threebean 15:32:51 * langdon glad not in a coffee shop or cube.. would be getting stares 15:33:09 we are shipping the world, one service at a time! 15:33:12 or covered in coffee 15:33:19 moto-timo, point 15:33:28 we have three videos this sprint: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcwHJG45BmANK7Xcz05m67oCsJdEM0bKC 15:33:35 I recommend a chocolate shower 15:33:45 presenting two service containers, samba and imap 15:33:46 with ake 15:33:49 cake 15:34:16 and also a handcrafted build of a first modular container + proposal about the container structure 15:34:49 we would love to get some feedback about our work, I guess I will be sending an email out to the devel list with these videos, asking for feedback, later today 15:35:03 any questions or comments here? :) 15:35:19 asamalik: we could #link the playlist 15:35:23 asamalik, hopefully you can crib the notes geppetto was working on 15:35:28 * moto-timo needs to play with it 15:35:29 nils: that's not a bad idea at all! 15:35:44 #link https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcwHJG45BmANK7Xcz05m67oCsJdEM0bKC Modularity sprint 19 demos 15:36:07 moto-timo, asamalik is meant to be writing up the "how" in this coming sprint.. so hopefully by jan you can build your own 15:36:20 excellent 15:36:31 #link https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcwHJG45BmANK7Xcz05m67oCsJdEM0bKC 15:36:42 * asamalik doesn't understand how link works 15:36:49 now you have it duplicate 15:36:59 do you want with or without description? 15:37:01 asamalik: ^^ 15:37:01 so it's just not giving any feedback, right :) 15:37:04 asamalik, your first one was better.. #link > 15:37:04 yup 15:37:05 with 15:37:09 cool 15:37:12 #undo 15:37:12 Removing item from minutes: 15:37:22 now we should have the right one 15:37:36 and as langdon said, you will be able to build modules locally in January 15:37:37 ok.. should we link threebean's too? 15:37:45 I don't see why not 15:37:57 thank's to factory 2.0 folks implementing the mock backend for MBS :) 15:38:13 jkaluza++ 15:38:29 #link http://threebean.org/blog/category/factory2/ 15:38:35 #undo 15:38:35 Removing item from minutes: 15:38:36 oops 15:38:49 #link http://threebean.org/blog/category/factory2/ find the latest factory-2 demos 15:38:57 langdon: ah, thanks! 15:39:03 * asamalik was just looking for that link 15:39:09 threebean, have you talked to the communityblog folks about aggregating your posts there? 15:39:16 I have not.. 15:40:34 so, what's up next... 15:40:47 * langdon has no recollection 15:40:50 #topic Website Update 15:40:56 asamalik? 15:40:59 there it is! 15:41:39 I have proposed that we should have a website 15:41:49 with a landing page giving high level overview about modularity 15:42:04 and including our documentation that is currently on our wiki 15:42:15 so that would be a replacement for the wiki 15:42:24 with infographics :) 15:42:35 what the world needs, more infographics :o) 15:42:56 yeah, no text, just a bunch of pictures! 15:43:19 makes translating it obsolete :) 15:43:28 nils, ha.. 15:43:44 so we would have a home page that would be static - with the explanations etc 15:43:52 langdon: trying to find the silver lining ;) 15:44:25 and all documents would be in a git repo in a markdown or rst format and the website would get automatically rebuilt and deployed with each commit 15:44:29 asamalik, we could add the twitter feed.. and the ramblings of fed-mod-bot to make it more dynamic! :) 15:44:35 so basically, it would work as a wiki, except it would be less ugly 15:44:46 why is wiki not sufficient ? maintaining an extra page will take (imo) more effort than using wiki 15:45:07 sounds like ghpages 15:45:09 is not it a waste of effort ? 15:45:20 jkurik: it won't be an extra page, but a replacement 15:45:31 something as releng have 15:45:36 * asamalik looking for a link 15:46:00 https://docs.pagure.org/releng/ 15:46:02 if you want to put fed-mod-bot on the page, ping me. there's a javascript fragment you can add that will put fedmsg content there. 15:46:06 something like this, with a landing page 15:46:35 so you want to move to pagure ? 15:46:44 except MOAR infographics 15:46:55 +1 15:46:58 jkurik, already in pagure.. 15:47:00 but.. not the "wg" per se 15:47:03 or the "project" 15:47:08 but all the sources are there 15:47:14 jkurik: probably pagure, yes 15:47:30 threebean: thanks! 15:47:32 yeah, that is what I am asking, whether the WG wiki page will be moved to pagure 15:48:01 jkurik: prettified and moved :) 15:48:07 :) 15:48:16 jkurik, i think we play it a bit by ear.. i think it might be more accessible as a website/pagure repo.. but maybe not for everything 15:48:17 ok, I am +1 15:48:26 more control over layout than wiki? 15:48:33 and ugly 15:48:34 what I like about a wiki is that you can preview the result. Pushing stuff somewhere only for it to be built async, then find out your screwed up the formatting is blech 15:48:52 nils, we call the solution to that "tests" 15:48:58 :) 15:49:00 heh 15:49:05 nils: good point, but we can figure that out 15:49:07 we can hook up ci to gen it on the pr.. 15:49:16 then only publish when the pr is is accepted 15:49:30 yeah, or something to build locally 15:49:40 * langdon notes "is is" means VERY accepted 15:49:42 so you can polish turds away before even creating the PRs 15:49:43 nils: if I have to choose between better and easier to consume website *or* one step less with editing for us, I choose the first option 15:49:43 github pages can be built/viewed locally 15:49:58 which is a similar working model 15:50:12 nils, umm.. speak for your own abilities please ;) 15:50:22 asamalik: better and easier to consume kinda stands and falls with the content, a bit ;) 15:50:24 I need we need to sell the effort to people first, then we can make it super easy for us - and I'm not saying I want to make it difficult! :) 15:50:35 content is always the rub 15:50:40 ok.. so .. asamalik .. actions? 15:50:43 nils: agree 15:50:49 how do we move from here to there? 15:50:53 langdon: actions 15:50:59 step 1: creating a landing page 15:51:04 langdon: abilities? what sorcery are you talking about? :o) 15:51:09 step 2: slowly moving all content there 15:51:32 or quickly if we can do :) 15:51:53 asamalik, i think if you created a framework... we could all help easily.. 15:52:14 moto-timo: github pages are great! but not sure if we want to rely on github 15:52:17 we have tons of content.. just no layout 15:52:32 asamalik: I just meant the workflow as a model 15:52:41 langdon: right, that's what I want to do 15:52:53 how different are gh-pages from pagure's docs? (like the link).. 15:52:57 asamalik: shout if you need a hand there 15:53:01 might be good to get some clock cycles from the design team for some pretty color palette? 15:53:11 moto-timo, yes 15:53:15 want to file a ticket? 15:53:24 it'd be a lot more than a mere color palette /methinks 15:53:41 one more think 15:54:01 * moto-timo needs to look at pagure docs 15:54:16 * nils notes we have some 5 minutes left 15:54:23 wow that was fast 15:54:25 as I have started to work on the website, I have managed to create a logo we could use, maybe? 15:54:27 i think this is last topic though 15:54:27 https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/modularity-logo.png 15:54:34 how can we decide if we want to use it? 15:54:49 put it up and wait for complaints? 15:54:55 yup 15:54:56 +1 15:55:13 +1 15:55:20 throw it in the design-team pagure instance and ask for review 15:55:26 but go ahead and use it in the meantime. 15:55:28 even better 15:55:41 threebean: will do! thanks 15:55:44 moto-timo, i was kinda serious.. you think you could start the engagement with design team to help out with a website? colors/layout/etc? 15:56:05 langdon: just wondering where that happens 15:56:13 I only know about badge tickets 15:56:28 threebean, i think you just file a design team ticket, right? or would it go to websites? 15:56:34 * threebean nods 15:56:37 yeah, file a design team ticket. 15:56:46 I.. can't find their pagure instance. 15:56:50 moto-timo, yeah.. so just like a badge ticket 15:56:53 * threebean joins #fedora-design to ask 15:57:08 https://pagure.io/design ? 15:57:21 threebean, ^^ 15:57:27 moto-timo: the design team has a meeting this Thursday: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/design/ 15:57:44 moto-timo: you can join and askk them directly what they need 15:57:53 there it is :) 15:57:55 jkurik: excellent :) 15:58:55 cool.. ok.. so 15:59:11 something for zodbot? :D 15:59:12 #action moto-timo to start engagement with design team re: l&f of website 15:59:16 ahh! 15:59:32 #action asamalik to file a ticket with design to review his proposed logo-y thing 15:59:50 #action asamalik to create a pagure repo with the basics for standing up a website 15:59:55 something to #info for the meeting minutes what this is about? 16:00:45 #info would like to investigate work on developing a more accessible "home" for fedora modularity than the existing wiki 16:01:02 all those sound good y'all? 16:01:10 sounds good to me 16:01:16 #link https://pagure.io/design 16:02:23 cool.. should we wrap then? 16:02:26 we are over time 16:02:32 elections ? 16:02:37 the last topic .... 16:02:45 ohh ugh 16:02:46 I have time to continue 16:02:48 sorry.. 16:02:49 I will be fast , I promise :) 16:02:51 yeah.. let's 16:03:04 #topic refresh of Modularity WG members as part of running elections 16:03:12 I would like to start contacting all the members of the Modularity WG and aks them whether they still would like to be members of the group 16:03:12 i thought i had seen that the website was last 16:03:21 I am planning to provide the results on the next meeting (Jan 3rd) 16:03:27 Then we can agree on the way how we will replace the vacancy 16:03:32 Is it OK ? 16:03:45 Suits me. 16:03:51 yeah.. although.. i thought our charter said "if you show up you are on it" 16:04:06 and implies the reverse, too? ;) 16:04:12 so.. if no answer/no interest, we should remove them, and then add the people who are showing up 16:04:13 ha 16:04:29 * langdon stole it almost verbatim from server-wg :) 16:04:36 and if you are caught publicly bad mouthing modularity you are kicked 16:04:37 :) 16:04:41 haha 16:04:43 yes, that what we can discuss the next meeting, when we will have answers from the current members 16:04:47 * langdon notes he is now off the wg 16:04:49 moto-timo: anybody particular in mind ;) 16:04:52 :) 16:04:57 Everyone kicked ;) 16:05:08 only a certain release engineer 16:05:16 ha 16:05:17 let's stand in a circle and everybody kicks the person in front :) 16:05:37 nils, i think you just described it.. can we get that in an infographic? 16:05:39 nils: This is some weird/kinky german thing? 16:05:47 lol 16:05:55 geppetto: I just don't want anybody to feel left out ;) 16:06:10 conan in berlin 16:06:18 :D 16:06:28 nils, but.. it should be done precisely right? like leg up exactly 2 feet.. etc? we need RULES 16:06:55 strike with 2 kilos force for 7 repetitions 16:07:01 ok.. jkurik with massive digression.. we good? aside from a #info / #action or two? 16:07:01 everyone will be kicked until morale improves 16:07:01 langdon: you're thinking former Eastern German military 16:07:07 geppetto++ 16:07:07 nils: Karma for james changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:07:08 ha 16:07:35 #action jkurik to get in touch with the current representatives of the Modularity WG and check whether they still will be in charge for the nex 16:07:37 t release cycle 16:07:52 that was a weird break 16:08:03 ah, I do not have a chair anyway 16:08:10 yeah.. zodbot didn't pick it up right 16:08:11 #chair 16:08:11 Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore langdon nils sct tflink threebean 16:08:14 #chair jkurik 16:08:14 Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore jkurik langdon nils sct tflink threebean 16:08:20 #undo 16:08:20 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jkurik at 16:07:35 : jkurik to get in touch with the current representatives of the Modularity WG and check whether they still will be in charge for the nex 16:08:47 #action jkurik to get in touch with the current representatives of the Modularity WG and check whether they still will be in charge for the next release cycle 16:08:54 ah, better now 16:09:14 that is all folks 16:09:24 thanks for the sprint videos, as always 16:09:36 #info refresh of the modularity voting members during the month or two would be a good idea. jkurik will be communicating with them to make sure the existing want to stay and the people around are added 16:09:37 good 16:09:53 jkurik, good ^^ 16:09:58 i just wanted to add some color 16:10:05 #topic Open Floor 16:10:18 open door? 16:10:20 :) 16:10:30 langdon: excellent :) 16:10:35 i really have to bail.. 16:10:36 so, who added "office hours" to the agenda of next meeting? I somehow miss context there 16:10:39 langdon: see ya 16:10:39 me 16:10:42 ahh 16:10:49 like as in "should we have them" 16:11:13 ok, then this is a discussion for next time, good 16:11:20 right 16:11:21 just didn't understand what it was :) 16:11:33 anything else for open floor? 16:11:33 nils, please fix.. closed my browser to reboot :) 16:11:54 langdon: done 16:12:00 thanks 16:12:15 ok.. later y'all.. thanks for coming.. thanks to nils, as always, for hosting 16:12:23 thanks all 16:12:24 see ya langdon 16:12:27 * moto-timo waves 16:12:28 thanks for the meeting 16:12:33 thanks everybody! 16:12:40 #endmeeting