16:04:29 #startmeeting "fedora-join" 16:04:29 Meeting started Mon Jan 30 16:04:29 2017 UTC. The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:04:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:04:29 The meeting name has been set to '"fedora-join"' 16:04:41 #meetingname fedora-join 16:04:41 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join' 16:04:53 :P 16:05:06 #chair skamath mailga dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder 16:05:06 Current chairs: FranciscoD dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder mailga skamath 16:05:17 .hellomynameis skamath 16:05:18 skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' 16:05:21 #topic Rollcall 16:05:28 .hello ankursinha 16:05:29 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 16:05:40 .hello dhanesh95 16:05:41 dhanesh95: dhanesh95 'Dhanesh Bhalchandra Sabane' 16:05:42 Hiya, FranciscoD 16:05:53 dhanesh95, o/ 16:05:55 That's right! I wanna be a part of fedora-join too! 16:05:57 Heya skamath, dhanesh95 - had a good holiday, I hope 16:06:05 skamath, FranciscoD : o/ 16:06:10 FranciscoD, Yes. Back to business :3 16:06:13 dhanesh95: we have a nice airless cell just right for you ;) 16:06:22 #topic Agenda 16:06:41 #info New members 16:06:47 #info Announcements 16:06:47 Holiday? There was no holiday 16:06:53 #info Commops update 16:06:59 FranciscoD: Not fair.. 16:07:13 #info Status update on in-reach: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/16 16:07:22 #info Column idea: Help wanted Wednesday: https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100 16:07:30 #info Fedora web space audit: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21 16:07:40 #info Propose stage 2 to the Fedora Council as a project-level objective: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19 16:07:50 #info Resurrect the mentoring programme: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/18 16:07:58 #info Resurrect the classroom programme: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22 16:08:12 #info Any others here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues 16:08:25 #info What can we do better (either in the meeting, or the ML, or anything else. An issue, followed by a suggestion.)? 16:08:29 #info Open floor 16:08:33 * FranciscoD takes a breath 16:08:44 dhanesh95: you asked for it :P 16:08:55 #topic New members 16:09:10 I don't think there are any new members here. 16:09:12 Any one new here that'd like to introduce themselves? :) 16:09:17 Yes yes there are! 16:09:19 Me! 16:09:22 :P 16:09:27 dhanesh95: go on, introduce yourself ;) 16:09:33 FranciscoD, do you still have the newbie notification trigger? 16:09:47 FranciscoD, so is this about ambassadors join or commops join 16:09:51 skamath: I do, but since I haven't been around much, it hasn't been used as much as it should've been 16:10:05 Southern_Gentlem: this is separate from both, it's the Join SIG 16:10:30 Southern_Gentlem: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG 16:11:07 Dhanesh B. Sabane. Member of CommOps, Marketing, Python, ML and hoping to be involved in lot more.. Find out more about me here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dhanesh95 16:11:16 It's Fedora Join \o/ 16:11:30 dhanesh95, solid. 16:11:32 dhanesh95: rewrite that with the info command, won't you? 16:11:54 #info Dhanesh B. Sabane. Member of CommOps, Marketing, Python, ML and hoping to be involved in lot more.. Find out more about me here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dhanesh95 16:12:00 dhanesh95++ 16:12:00 FranciscoD: Karma for dhanesh95 changed to 5 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:12:06 FranciscoD++ 16:12:25 .hello jbwillia 16:12:26 Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 16:12:35 Oh, F25 cookies! 16:12:37 Southern_Gentlem: o/ 16:12:38 dhanesh95++ 16:12:38 skamath: Karma for dhanesh95 changed to 6 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:12:46 skamath++ 16:12:46 dhanesh95: Karma for skamath changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:12:47 Ah, I wasn't around for so long. 16:12:51 dhanesh95: welcome to Fedora Join. We hope to get you a lot of work to do ;) 16:12:53 .fasinfo jbwillia 16:12:54 Southern_Gentlem: User: jbwillia, Name: Ben Williams, email: vaioof@yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: Southern_Gentlem, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 93576FA4, Status: active 16:12:55 When did I give cookies to FranciscoD ? 16:12:57 Southern_Gentlem: Approved Groups: @fedora-hams commops +campusambassadors cla_fedora cla_done hosted-content gitcourses irc-support-operators freemedia proventesters cla_fpca +ambassadors 16:13:11 Hiya Southern_Gentlem, happy to have you here :) 16:13:26 FranciscoD: You won't be disappointed.. ;) 16:13:37 * FranciscoD doesn't count Southern_Gentlem as new at all 16:13:47 You've been around for ages! 16:14:06 Anyway, let's move on 16:14:07 * dhanesh95 will soon get his own minions ;) 16:14:15 #topic Announcements 16:14:32 If you have any general announcements to make, please make them using the info command 16:15:31 #info We just had the elections - https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/elections-retrospective-january-2017/ - hope everyone voted! 16:15:37 * skamath just got back today 16:16:09 #info Flock 2017 bids are now open: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2017-bids-due-28-feb-2017/ 16:16:41 * dhanesh95 can't believe he missed it too.. :( 16:16:55 Multiple other changes, but I'll leave them out for the moment (GCC7, for instance) 16:17:22 Any other announcements anyone? 16:17:38 Nothing here 16:17:43 Nothing here either. 16:17:51 * FranciscoD will wait a minute and move to the first ticket 16:18:21 #topic Status update on in-reach: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/16 16:18:46 I think the in-reach went off pretty well. As I've noted in the ticket, we've gone up to about 30 people in the channel, and 200+ in the ML. 16:19:17 * skamath clicks on the link 16:19:26 The channel is still dominated by community members, but that will change once we implement stage 2 of the plan - making our channels visible to the public (WIP) 16:19:54 An idea is to generate metrics for various channels, similar to the IRC SIG used to do 16:19:59 FranciscoD, how do you think we should do it? 16:20:16 skamath: we'll come to that - separate tickets for it all 16:20:17 FranciscoD, there was/is an IRC sig? 16:20:21 yep 16:20:41 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig 16:20:56 Ah, okay. IRC Support SIG. 16:21:00 That is brand new info 16:21:01 I got a bit confused 16:21:07 Yea, sorry, missed a word there 16:21:27 I've been working on something here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/14 16:21:49 #info pisg works, i'm trying to add some functionality to it now 16:22:21 * mailga is lurking 16:22:29 mailga, Hiya! 16:22:47 #info A commblog post was published: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/where-point-newcomers-fedora/ 16:22:58 skamath: Hello! And hello to you all. 16:23:21 mailga: o/ 16:23:22 FranciscoD, re: IRC stats tool- Looks good. Cloning. 16:23:27 skamath: hack away 16:23:37 nod nod 16:23:41 #info We'd also sent an e-mail out to the announce ML: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6JA5JCI2GUUCMRPCVRMUUHVOMYB6HDWD/ 16:24:09 I'm leaving the ticket open for the time being, since metrics etc. are still a WIP 16:24:16 Any ideas/suggestions on this ticket? 16:25:20 * skamath is looking at all the next-meeting tickets 16:25:43 skamath: we'll go over all of them 16:26:00 How are we going to use the data we collect? 16:26:04 #info Leave #16 open for time being - until we put metric collection in place 16:26:53 dhanesh95: I'd thought it would serve to tell us if our measures were increasing traffic in the channels, which would correlate to more people coming in 16:27:39 the metric will be a lot more effective when we actively have newbies coming in, which should happen after we've made ourselves visible outside the community (which we refer to as stage 2) 16:27:40 FranciscoD: So the purpose is performance analysis only 16:27:47 dhanesh95: pretty much, yea 16:27:58 Roger that! 16:28:12 I hope that makes sense? Feel free to throw in suggestions either on the ML or the ticket, or here itself 16:28:22 Sure.. 16:28:38 Next ticket, this one is from commops 16:28:42 #info Column idea: Help wanted Wednesday: https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100 16:28:55 FranciscoD, I don't think stats is something we can rely on right now 16:29:10 skamath: not at the moment, no - not enough data to analyse tbh 16:29:19 Yep. 16:29:31 I can see a lot of data-dependent tasks. 16:29:43 We should probably save them for later. 16:29:48 this ticket is a great idea, but I think we should leave it for later when the commops folks are here. They're all at devconf at the moment :) 16:29:58 I am sure we are going to have a lot of newcomers incoming soon. GSoC time! 16:30:39 gsoc has their own channel, I think, but we can look at getting them to use the Fedora join channels instead? Let's discuss this in the open floor? 16:30:42 * FranciscoD adds to agenda 16:30:54 #fedora-summer-coding, yes 16:31:22 FranciscoD: I don't think that would be best 16:31:49 dhanesh95: maybe, maybe not - balancing modularity and integration is always a pain :/ 16:31:58 but we'll talk it over if we have time 16:32:06 +1 16:32:26 #action everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps ticket#100 16:32:49 #undo 16:32:49 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 16:32:26 : everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps ticket#100 16:33:03 #action everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps ticket#100: Help wanted wednesday: https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100 16:33:06 much better 16:33:17 :D 16:33:17 Ah, I was just typing the link command. 16:33:23 :P 16:33:28 #topic Fedora web space audit: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21 16:34:04 The idea here is pretty much what the topic says - audit our web space, see what websites are performing, or not 16:34:04 FranciscoD, I don't understand why we need to do that 16:34:13 skamath: the web space audit? 16:34:18 FranciscoD, Yes. 16:34:42 The common feeling seems to be that we have too many websites, and they're not providing as good a user experience as they should be 16:34:57 in terms of information about different areas of the project 16:35:00 FranciscoD, we have way too many websites. 16:35:03 :P 16:35:28 #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/ 16:36:04 skamath: exactly, way too many 16:36:11 Is this listed on the apps page, for example? http://fedoracommunity.org/ 16:36:38 I mean, I can't find it - which highlights the issue 16:37:00 (Keep in mind that hubs hasn't even been deployed yet) 16:37:19 The closest one I could find is https://apps.fedoraproject.org/#AmbassadorsMap 16:37:34 skamath: the apps are only apps that we use, the page doesn't link to things like getfedora, does it? 16:37:49 FranciscoD, I don't think so 16:37:52 to make this ticket more specific, an audit of our public facing sites 16:39:11 #info One goal of audit, among others, is to identify entry points that fedora join can then manage 16:39:48 We do need to decide how the audit will happen, though - what info will we collect and so on 16:39:52 Ideas? dhanesh95 skamath mailga ? 16:40:04 * FranciscoD will see if he can bug robyduck for some ideas 16:40:10 FranciscoD, sounds good to me. 16:40:12 Usage stats will come from infra 16:40:16 FranciscoD, one at a time. 16:40:28 If we can make a list, we could maybe split up things. 16:41:06 skamath: will you please make a list of public facing sites that would potentially act as entry points for new contributors and comment on the ticket? 16:41:07 * dhanesh95 will be back on this on the ticket.. 16:41:15 FranciscoD, will do 16:41:28 #action skamath make a list of public facing sites that would potentially act as entry points for new contributors and comment on the ticket? 16:41:41 Ah, backspaces it again. 16:41:45 meh 16:41:45 Perfect. 16:41:50 :P 16:41:55 that command worked, right? 16:41:59 Yep! 16:42:02 ah, yea, got the notification now 16:42:22 meanwhile, I'll speak to our web ninjas to see what metrics would be useful for the audit 16:42:45 #action FranciscoD speak to various web ninjas to ascertain what metrics we should collect for the audit 16:43:03 #action FranciscoD update ticket 21 with task assignment info 16:43:14 next ticket: 16:43:27 #topic Propose stage 2 to the Fedora Council as a project-level objective: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19 16:43:44 Great idea, but we need someone to act as a point of contact on this. Unfortunately, I can't make the commitment myself 16:43:56 * skamath was out of the loop 16:44:09 mattdm commented already saying it'll need a 12-18 month timeframe 16:44:29 FranciscoD, can you elaborate a bit? 16:45:20 skamath: it's a council level objective, so our POC (point of contact) would have a seat on the council, and would organise and co-ordinate whatever activities are needed to make Fedora Join the "go-to" place for newbies 16:45:38 Wow, that sounds great. 16:45:43 like the diversity adviser, or the outreach adviser 16:45:51 Woah. Woah. 16:45:59 This is perfect. 16:45:59 Yep :) 16:46:08 Are you volunteering? ;) 16:46:10 mattdm++ 16:46:10 skamath: Karma for mattdm changed to 9 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:46:22 dhanesh95: got 18 months to work on this? :P 16:46:22 FranciscoD, Sure. I'd love to. 16:46:58 skamath: think about it and comment on the ticket. It'll be quite a bit of work. of course, we'll be around to help, but you'll be the main POC for the duration of this project 16:47:04 FranciscoD: 18 months to work on formal goals and being the POC? Sure sounds interesting! 16:47:16 nice, we have more than one volunteer! Brilliant! 16:47:52 FranciscoD, I will reply on the ticket. \o/ 16:48:03 #action skamath go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19 requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it 16:48:07 #action dhanesh95 go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19 requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it 16:48:32 #info skamath dhanesh95 happy to pursue https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19 16:48:51 FranciscoD, Is there a ML thread? 16:48:53 #action FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19 with info 16:49:06 skamath: just the stage 2 thread that I'd started - that's where mattdm initially replied 16:49:24 next ticket: 16:49:25 nod nod 16:49:29 #topic Resurrect the mentoring programme: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/18 16:49:41 This requires quite a bit of thought, so I'd like to leave it for the time being 16:50:01 I'm going to seek out all the experienced contributors I know and get their views on how we should go about it 16:50:04 Does that sound good? 16:50:10 Pretty huge thread 16:50:11 +1 16:50:21 +1 16:50:22 * skamath notes the time. 16:50:25 We really don't want to restart it and watch it fail again - sustainability is a must 16:50:29 We have 10 minutes? 16:50:31 yep 16:50:36 only one more ticket though 16:50:43 Yep, perfect. 16:51:00 #action FranciscoD Seek out experienced Fedora contributors to collect advice on resurrecting the mentoring programme 16:51:14 #topic Resurrect the classroom programme: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22 16:51:31 #info Already set up pretty well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom 16:51:42 the actual classroom sessions are lacking here 16:52:06 * FranciscoD remembers taking a class room or two 16:52:18 I have never come across that wiki. 16:52:22 Wow. 16:52:27 skamath: the wiki has lots of hidden treasures 16:52:42 I only know them because I've been around for about a decade now XD 16:52:49 Wow :P 16:52:52 This is brand new information! 16:52:53 That's nice. 16:53:48 #idea How about we have a team of classroom wranglers that do the organising. People that want to take classes contact them, pick a slot. The wranglers book the room, send out the e-mails etc? 16:54:09 FranciscoD: +1 16:54:18 the wrangler will be someone involved with join and commops - can write the commblog + magazine posts and send out the e-mails? 16:54:33 The implementation concerns me. 16:54:39 +1 anyway. 16:54:53 skamath: voice your concerns 16:54:59 the more concerns, the better :) 16:55:03 Resurrecting something is probably the toughest thing to do. 16:55:27 We need to have regular sessions or it is gonna end up like how it has now. 16:55:34 +1 16:55:54 and it'll be the classroom wrangler's responsibilty to see out community members and get them to take classes 16:56:11 it's like a lecturer that is in-charge of inviting speakers to take talks at uni 16:56:13 sorta 16:56:14 ? 16:56:23 Okay, that sounds good. 16:56:30 Isn't there a Fedora University initiative? 16:56:38 #action FranciscoD document ideas in ticket 16:56:46 dhanesh95, That's a different thing, isn't it? 16:56:50 Something similar to Fedora Classroom? 16:57:00 dhanesh95: i think there's something like that, but that's more going to universities and doing stuff 16:57:01 dhanesh95, It's more of an Outreach initiative. 16:57:08 classrooms are IRC based, open to all 16:57:11 skamath: I'm not sure.. 16:57:20 FranciscoD: Ahh.. I understand 16:57:27 I think 16:57:31 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/University_Involvement_Initiative 16:57:48 FranciscoD: Ohh no no.. That is totally different 16:58:17 I can't find anything else off Google. Send us a link if you find something 16:58:22 That is University Involvement Initiative. That is to encourage students to form groups to contribute to Fedora 16:58:41 I think it is this : https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/68 16:59:08 Campus Ambassadors, yea, could be 16:59:12 Let's keep that in mind 16:59:22 the IRC classrooms are open to all, though 16:59:39 Both are pointing to the same idea 17:00:03 dhanesh95: not really, no 17:00:13 "The Campus Ambassadors program is connected to the larger Fedora Ambassadors project. Where most Ambassadors focus on their region or country, Campus Ambassadors focus on promoting Fedora at their schools -- high schools and universities around the world" 17:00:29 With Both I mean FranciscoD and skamath 17:00:33 ah, lol 17:00:37 sure XD 17:00:48 Sorry for not being clear on that 17:00:52 we'll get jflory7 to give us more info 17:00:57 time's almost up anyway 17:01:03 jflory7 is a busy man :P 17:01:07 sure is 17:01:20 #topic What can we do better (here, there, anywhere?) 17:01:29 Go on, any and all ideas on what we can do better 17:01:41 Was the agenda OK? Is the next-meeting tag fine? 17:01:51 But that is not what I'm talking about.. I've worked on University Involvement Initiative and it is not similar to Fedora Classroom. However, I remember coming across a ticket(?) which mentioned Fedora University 17:01:58 FranciscoD, Yep :) 17:02:02 Is the reminder OK, or should it be sent out earlier? 17:02:13 FranciscoD, Everything was fine! 17:02:15 dhanesh95: if you find a link, send it to the ML 17:02:16 FranciscoD: Everything was great! 17:02:18 FranciscoD++ 17:02:18 skamath: Karma for ankursinha changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:02:26 .thank FranciscoD 17:02:26 skamath thinks FranciscoD is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to FranciscoD++ also) 17:02:32 #action dhanesh95 find link to Fedora University ticket and send it to ML 17:02:36 .thank FranciscoD 17:02:36 dhanesh95 thinks FranciscoD is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to FranciscoD++ also) 17:02:51 no no! if you don't point out issues, we don't fix them! :P 17:03:12 FranciscoD, It's bug free for now. 17:03:22 I'll put in some bugs later on, don't worry. 17:03:24 #info If you have anything - use "plussing" - point out an issue, and follow up with a suggestion 17:03:28 FranciscoD: Don't worry. We won't shy away from yelling at you for any issues that occur 17:03:28 awesome 17:03:31 LOL 17:03:53 It's a feature, not a bug. 17:03:59 Let's close the meeting unless there's anything else you guys have to say? I don't have anything on the agenda 17:04:00 skamath: ROFL 17:04:05 ! 17:04:08 dhanesh95: go on 17:04:34 #action FranciscoD send out meeting logs to MLs 17:05:08 How about we reference to fedora-join on all popular sites? 17:05:19 dhanesh95, I don't think it's easy. 17:05:25 Fedora's sites 17:05:28 dhanesh95: that's part of the plan already, but we've put that in the "nice to have" list for the time being 17:05:45 dhanesh95: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/15 17:05:59 We'll head to our home base and then we'll talk about it 17:06:02 dhanesh95, Yeah. You should check out the previous logs. FranciscoD is not very happy about our current websites :P 17:06:15 that's the purpose of the audit - see where we can put references to fedora join 17:06:28 sure, we can do it in -join. Let me close the meeting so that we're on time for a change ;) 17:06:35 .thanks dhanesh95 17:06:37 FranciscoD++ Exactly what I was thinking! 17:06:42 .thank dhanesh95 17:06:42 FranciscoD thinks dhanesh95 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to dhanesh95++ also) 17:06:46 .thank skamath 17:06:47 FranciscoD thinks skamath is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to skamath++ also) 17:06:52 .thank Southern_Gentlem 17:06:52 FranciscoD thinks Southern_Gentlem is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to Southern_Gentlem++ also) 17:06:56 .thank mailga 17:06:56 FranciscoD thinks mailga is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to mailga++ also) 17:07:00 #endmeeting