15:01:45 <nils> #startmeeting modularity_wg
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15:01:45 <nils> #meetingtopic Bi-weekly Meeting of the Modularity Working Group
15:01:45 <nils> #chair dgilmore langdon mikedep333_ tflink
15:01:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore langdon mikedep333_ nils tflink
15:01:57 <nils> #topic Roll Call
15:02:02 <nils> .hello nphilipp
15:02:03 <zodbot> nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' <nphilipp@redhat.com>
15:03:02 <jkurik> .hello jkurik
15:03:03 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
15:03:17 <asamalik> .hello asamalik
15:03:20 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
15:03:21 * asamalik will be here in 3 minutes
15:03:28 <tflink> .hello tflink
15:03:30 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
15:03:56 <dgilmore> hi all
15:04:16 <dgilmore> can we please call the meeting fortnightly
15:04:25 <dgilmore> bi-weekly is such a weird odd term
15:04:37 <langdon> .hello langdon
15:04:38 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
15:04:44 <nils> dgilmore: wanna put that on the agenda :o) /jk
15:05:07 <langdon> I just want a fort to have my meetings in
15:05:12 <nils> haha
15:05:21 * langdon not j/k
15:05:28 <langdon> ;)
15:05:47 <nils> anyway, I guess we're all here now
15:06:02 <nils> #topic Agenda
15:06:03 <nils> #info website has been published! (mostly announcement, maybe feedback?) (asamalik)
15:06:13 <nils> anything that needs to be added?
15:06:46 * asamalik is here
15:06:47 <langdon> Boltron doc soon
15:07:09 <langdon> Like the one for flock
15:07:13 <nils> shall we discuss fortnight vs. bi-weekly in open floor?
15:07:20 <langdon> But will find link in a few
15:07:22 <nils> :)
15:08:11 <nils> Ok I don't see anything being added to the agenda...
15:08:23 <nils> #topic website has been published! (mostly announcement, maybe feedback?)
15:08:26 <nils> #chair asamalik
15:08:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore langdon mikedep333_ nils tflink
15:08:29 <langdon> Nils ^^^
15:08:45 <nils> mkay
15:08:47 <nils> #undo
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15:09:01 <nils> #info Boltron doc soon
15:09:13 <nils> #topic website has been published! (mostly announcement, maybe feedback?)
15:09:16 <jkurik> nils: may I ask you please to add the voting: https://pagure.io/modularity/tickets/issue/1 ?
15:09:31 <nils> okay
15:09:35 <nils> #undo
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15:09:55 <nils> #info Voting permission for people present on Modularity WG meetings
15:10:02 <nils> but now for reals
15:10:05 <nils> #topic website has been published! (mostly announcement, maybe feedback?)
15:10:06 <langdon> ha
15:10:16 <asamalik> #link https://docs.pagure.org/modularity  We have published the new documentation website!
15:10:17 <nils> asamalik: take it away
15:10:51 <nils> and it was all done by hand because I'm still working on integration, huzzah!
15:11:02 <asamalik> and every wiki page has been deleted - or rather the content has been replaced with a banner saying "we have moved here: link"
15:11:47 <asamalik> #info To edit the documentation, just click the Edit button which is on every page - it will take you to the source repo, and send a PR with your changes there.
15:12:32 <asamalik> any questions, comments? :)
15:12:57 <langdon> asamalik, i have one but it should wait till a different agenda item
15:13:24 <langdon> i will add that i think the video shold be more "above the fold"
15:13:34 <langdon> and i think we need a comm blog post about it
15:13:46 <asamalik> agree
15:13:58 <asamalik> nils: I guess that's all for my topic
15:14:01 <nils> okay
15:14:10 <langdon> asamalik, can we shorten the header?
15:14:18 <langdon> and make less "blue space" .. to pull the video up
15:14:32 <asamalik> langdon: we can do anything! ;)
15:14:35 <asamalik> everything
15:14:35 <langdon> ha
15:14:36 <asamalik> whatever
15:14:56 <langdon> should we add #actions?
15:15:15 <langdon> ill just file issues!
15:15:20 <nils> haha
15:15:22 <asamalik> langdon: I guess that i we make the video more "above the fold" it will make sense to pull it up
15:15:45 <asamalik> langdon: just file issues!
15:15:45 <langdon> speaking of issues.. a link to the issues would be nice ;)
15:16:15 * langdon notes none of his issues have been resolved yet :/
15:16:27 <asamalik> langdon: haha click the edit button on every page - but yes, good point - can you please create an issue that you don't know where to put issues?
15:17:05 <asamalik> #link https://pagure.io/modularity/issues Issue tracker for the Modularity documentation website.
15:17:43 <nils> alright, that should be it for websites I think :)
15:17:55 <asamalik> nils: yeah :)
15:18:08 <nils> #topic Boltron doc soon
15:18:12 <nils> langdon?
15:18:17 <nils> #chair sct
15:18:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore langdon mikedep333_ nils sct tflink
15:18:25 * langdon is busy filing issues!
15:18:32 <langdon> ok.. quickly...
15:18:44 <langdon> by the next meeting we should have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Modularity_Working_Group/releases/Flock_2016_Release
15:18:47 <langdon> for boltron
15:19:09 <langdon> does anyone have any comments/thoughts/requirements on that doc?
15:20:10 <langdon> ok.. if you do, file a ticket! but at https://pagure.io/modularity/tickets/issues
15:20:11 <langdon> :)
15:20:20 <langdon> we can move on if you like
15:20:34 <langdon> we may have a preview by the office hours next week
15:20:42 <sct> langdon: It's very developer-centric
15:21:07 <sct> describes deliverables and talks about fedora contributors,
15:21:10 <langdon> probably true
15:21:30 <langdon> one of the items is to build a quick start guide for boltron though
15:21:35 <langdon> should "outcomes" be there?
15:21:38 <sct> I was wondering if it would be appropriate to include some general usability testing in the planning too.
15:21:42 <langdon> or do you think we need more in the "requirements" side
15:21:47 <sct> It's not exactly a deliverable
15:21:58 <sct> but it's still a chunk of work for the group to plan
15:22:05 <langdon> oh.. i think i have that
15:22:19 <langdon> like some docs re: how to use it + how to provide feedback
15:22:31 <sct> Right
15:22:35 <langdon> is that what you mean? or more like "use cases that boltron should meet"?
15:22:42 <sct> but also something like perhaps a test day
15:22:49 <langdon> ahh thats a good idea
15:22:53 <langdon> i didn't think of that
15:24:14 <langdon> ok.. sct will file an issue! :)
15:24:17 <langdon> next topic?
15:24:21 <sct> Will do. :)
15:24:32 <nils> ok
15:24:40 <nils> #topic Voting permission for people present on Modularity WG meetings
15:24:44 <nils> #chair jkurik
15:24:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore jkurik langdon mikedep333_ nils sct tflink
15:24:48 <jkurik> proposed #info with the lazy concensus applied we now have approved to vote on meetings with the people who are present, even these are not "Voting members" as stated in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Modularity_Working_Group
15:25:10 <jkurik> any comment on this ?
15:25:14 * nils adds an "if"
15:25:21 <nils> "even if these"
15:25:32 <langdon> i didn't realize i hadn't voted
15:26:03 <jkurik> langdon: https://pagure.io/modularity/tickets/issue/1
15:26:14 <langdon> jkurik, yeah.. done already
15:26:35 <langdon> dgilmore, can you vote?
15:27:05 <langdon> jkurik, i read your comment as "these people have voted in the meeting" vs a "tag, please review"
15:27:16 <langdon> sct, you too
15:27:25 <langdon> sct, ha.. just saw yours
15:27:27 <sct> langdon: Yep, just did
15:28:34 <dgilmore> langdon: sorry was distracted
15:28:37 <dgilmore> on what?
15:28:48 <jkurik> dgilmore: https://pagure.io/modularity/tickets/issue/1
15:29:12 <dgilmore> sure
15:29:13 <langdon> and that should be quorum, i think
15:29:30 <dgilmore> can not say I had seen that before :(
15:29:37 <langdon> asamalik, speaking of tickets, do you think the publishing one is now resolved?
15:30:25 <asamalik> langdon: it's been published, so yes :)
15:31:02 * langdon doesn't know how to close an issue :/
15:31:21 <jkurik> langdon: yes, I do
15:31:34 <jkurik> what issue do you want to close ? :)
15:31:58 <langdon> jkurik, i think i got it #2
15:32:04 <jkurik> go to the metadata and change the status to closed
15:32:18 <langdon> jkurik, yeha.. i was expecting a "resolve button"
15:32:36 <langdon> dgilmore, you good with that ticket?
15:33:19 <dgilmore> langdon: thats what my sure was earlier
15:33:26 <dgilmore> +!
15:33:28 <dgilmore> +1
15:33:31 <dgilmore> is that better?
15:33:35 <langdon> ha
15:33:41 <langdon> i thought you would put it in the ticket :)
15:34:03 <dgilmore> can do
15:34:33 <langdon> ok.. next topic? are there more?
15:34:48 <jkurik> proposed #agreed with the lazy concensus applied we now have approved to vote on meetings with the people who are present, even if these are not "Voting members" as stated in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Modularity_Working_Group
15:34:58 <nils> ^^this
15:35:20 <langdon> jkurik, ticket is updated as well
15:35:27 <langdon> and +1 to your agreed
15:35:32 <jkurik> ok, thanks
15:35:33 <jkurik> #agreed with the lazy concensus applied we now have approved to vote on meetings with the people who are present, even if these are not "Voting members" as stated in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Modularity_Working_Group
15:35:34 <tflink> +1
15:35:39 <nils> cool
15:35:48 <jkurik> nils: you can move on, thanks :)
15:35:52 <nils> that leaves us...
15:36:00 <nils> #topic Open Floor
15:36:16 <nils> So, dgilmore doesn't like "bi-weekly". Anybody else weigh in?
15:36:19 <nils> :D
15:36:31 <langdon> bi-monthly!
15:36:46 <nils> Haha
15:37:00 <nils> The agenda would get awfully long then, wouldn't it?
15:37:02 <langdon> paycheck driven?
15:37:17 <nils> whatever that means ;)
15:37:21 <langdon> bi-monthly is like bi-weekly.. it means both twice a month and every two months
15:37:36 <langdon> in the US paychecks are often distributed fortnightly
15:37:49 <nils> I mean, I'm all for calling it "fortnightly" if that's more specific.
15:38:01 <nils> Or even just "nicer".
15:38:02 <asamalik> langdon: we got this beautiful word "forthrightly" in Europe ;)
15:38:21 <langdon> asamalik, we use that too.. but only to indicate rude people ;)
15:38:28 <asamalik> langdon: haha
15:38:30 <nils> Don't be so forthright.
15:38:44 <langdon> fortnightly is just uncommon here.. but most people know it.. if they dig in their brains
15:38:55 <nils> Which is not a bad thing.
15:38:56 <langdon> it is significantly less confusing
15:39:16 <nils> In that case, let's change it. I hear nobody objecting anyway.
15:39:19 <langdon> jkurik, are you gonna close #1 ?
15:39:32 <langdon> where is this "change"? fedocal or something?
15:39:35 <jkurik> langdon: yes, once I will get meeting minutes from this meeting
15:39:42 <langdon> jkurik, ack.. no worries
15:40:18 <nils> proposed #agreed call the meeting "forthnightly" instead of "bi-weekly" to be less confusing
15:40:43 <tflink> isn't it fortnightly?
15:40:48 <nils> yes it is
15:40:50 <dgilmore> nils: fortnightly
15:40:51 <jkurik> I will object to the change. IMO bi-weekly is more descriptive what it means
15:40:59 <dgilmore> no h in it
15:41:10 <dgilmore> jkurik: for real?
15:41:13 <nils> dgilmore: yeah, got confused by the convo about forthrightly
15:41:19 <jkurik> dgilmore: sure
15:41:28 <nils> jkurik: <langdon> bi-monthly is like bi-weekly.. it means both twice a month and every two months
15:41:32 <langdon> jkurik, problem is.. in the US it means both "once every two weeks" *and* "twice in one week"
15:41:52 <dgilmore> jkurik: I realy despise the word bi-weekly. to me it an an american arogant statement that I find offensive
15:42:02 <jkurik> can we change the language then ?
15:42:07 <dgilmore> fortnightly is much nicer, global and clearer
15:42:19 <nils> I'll call it zweiwöchentlich then, gotcha.
15:42:27 <jkurik> nils: +1
15:42:28 <langdon> dgilmore, LOL.. tell us how you really feel!
15:42:39 <dgilmore> langdon: will do
15:42:39 <asamalik> what if we say "once every two weeks"? :-)
15:42:45 <dgilmore> you know i always hold back
15:42:55 <nils> asamalik: doesn't roll of the tongue that well
15:43:06 <langdon> asamalik, how about once every 336h?
15:43:31 <nils> How about we keep mum about it?
15:43:35 <nils> "Regular meeting"
15:43:49 <nils> Look in the calendar, if you're so inclined ;).
15:43:55 <asamalik> langdon: or halfce every 168h :P
15:44:16 <dgilmore> anyway
15:44:18 <nils> asamalik: My brain is starting to hurt and I'm making you responsible. :P
15:44:20 <langdon> i would make it written out.. "once every two weeks" personally.. its not like we are paying by byte
15:44:26 <nils> yeah
15:44:27 <dgilmore> I did not mean to send us off in the woods
15:44:43 <nils> we're already there, look at the trees! :D
15:44:46 <dgilmore> I can live with langdon's proposal
15:45:05 <langdon> technically, asamalik's
15:45:09 <nils> Alright, I'll update the pirate pad then.
15:45:15 * tflink doesn't care much either way :)
15:46:03 <nils> which makes the meeting topic "Meeting of the Modularity Working Group (once every two weeks)" in the future. Good?
15:47:12 <jkurik> proposed #action jkurik to update Fedocal for this meeting, replacing "bi-weekly" with "once every two weeks"
15:47:19 <langdon> +1
15:47:21 <nils> +1
15:47:23 <sct> +1
15:47:27 <jkurik> #action jkurik to update Fedocal for this meeting, replacing "bi-weekly" with "once every two weeks"
15:48:24 <nils> okay, piratepad template is updated, too
15:48:38 <nils> anything else for open floor?
15:48:56 <jkurik> proposed #endmeeting :)
15:49:02 <nils> +1
15:49:12 <langdon> no other words we want to beat to death?
15:49:20 <tflink> +1
15:49:24 <langdon> i just used "bug" and had to provide the newspaper definition
15:49:27 <nils> langdon: How about "unbeknownst"?
15:49:30 <langdon> tflink, that was to me, right?
15:49:34 <langdon> :)
15:50:02 <langdon> antidisestablishmentarianism?
15:50:03 <tflink> langdon: multitasking poorly, that was with the word mongering around weeks
15:50:10 <langdon> ha
15:50:16 <nils> langdon: that sounds like it's hard on the stomach
15:50:25 <langdon> ok.. im +1 on closing the meeting too
15:50:29 <nils> good
15:50:34 <nils> thanks everybody!
15:50:37 <nils> #endmeeting