14:00:10 <nils> #startmeeting modularity_wg
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14:00:11 <nils> #meetingtopic Meeting of the Modularity Working Group (once every two weeks)
14:00:11 <nils> #chair dgilmore langdon mikedep333 tflink
14:00:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore langdon mikedep333 nils tflink
14:00:42 <nils> #topic Roll Call
14:00:46 <nils> .hello nphilipp
14:00:47 <zodbot> nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' <nphilipp@redhat.com>
14:01:29 <langdon> .hello langdon
14:01:30 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon+fas@redhat.com>
14:01:32 <tflink> .hello tflink
14:01:33 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
14:01:52 <langdon> oops.. i was sitting in here and forgot to announce.. like that last button before joining a video call
14:02:38 <nils> #topic Agenda
14:02:48 <nils> #info no agenda yet :D
14:03:08 <nils> So, anybody wants to add something to the board? https://board.net/p/modularity-wg-agendas
14:03:09 <contyk> hi
14:03:09 <langdon> looking like boltron is coming together
14:03:11 <contyk> .hello psabata
14:03:12 <ttomecek> .hello ttomecek
14:03:12 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
14:03:15 <zodbot> ttomecek: ttomecek 'Tomas Tomecek' <ttomecek@redhat.com>
14:03:24 <nils> ok
14:03:25 <nils> #undo
14:03:25 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nils at 14:02:48 : no agenda yet :D
14:03:32 <nils> #info Boltron update
14:03:53 <contyk> will langdon cover it?
14:03:55 <langdon> uh oh.. who is giving that?
14:04:02 <langdon> i nominate contyk .. he is smarter
14:04:22 <nils> langdon, well, you brought it up :P
14:04:31 <langdon> ugh.. that was dumb
14:04:31 <langdon> ok
14:04:37 <nils> so...
14:04:41 <nils> #topic Boltron update
14:04:44 * langdon types
14:05:01 <asamalik> .hello asamalik
14:05:01 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
14:05:15 * asamalik apologizes for being late and blames langdon for that
14:05:18 <langdon> so.. we are working on final composes and distribution to the mirrors. Boltron is a non-blocking part of the release but it is finally coming together
14:10:30 <langdon> our builds for base images/qcows/etc are finally working ..
14:10:31 <langdon> now we just need a full compose that completes everything and then deploy that to the mirrors
14:10:32 <langdon> is that good? more to add?
14:10:32 <nils> sounds good to me!
14:11:06 <langdon> nils, we should send a mail to the list anyway
14:11:21 <langdon> list == devel@
14:11:27 <langdon> if we didn't already
14:11:34 <nils> re Boltron I suppose, not zodbot's demise :o)
14:11:44 <langdon> ha
14:11:48 * langdon kicks zodbot
14:12:07 <nils> ahh he's back
14:12:09 <nils> #undo
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14:12:14 <nils> oops
14:12:26 <nils> can we get it to dump what it has on our meeting?
14:12:28 <nils> #redo
14:12:38 <nils> that doesn't work, classic
14:13:44 <langdon> nils, there is actually a topic on fixing a meeting if zodbot dies..
14:13:53 <langdon> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Zodbot_blew_up_while_it_was_logging_my_meeting.2C_what_can_I_do.3F
14:14:10 <nils> langdon, yeah it says "find the unfinished meeting", but I can't seem to do that
14:14:19 <langdon> so .. let's just reiterate
14:14:26 <langdon> #topic boltron update
14:14:40 <langdon> #info we should have an official boltron compose this week
14:14:52 <langdon> #info at present we have one we would consider RC
14:15:13 <langdon> #info we are finally generating container base images and cloud-init enabled qcows
14:15:35 <langdon> #info follow the boltron protoytpe page for updates/howtos
14:15:54 <contyk> +1
14:15:57 <langdon> #link https://docs.pagure.org/modularity/prototype/boltron.html unofficial prototype which will become official
14:16:17 <langdon> good enough recap?
14:16:37 <langdon> i have another topic
14:16:43 <nils> looks good to me
14:16:51 <nils> go ahead
14:16:52 <langdon> #topic how to gather feedback on boltron
14:17:00 <langdon> asamalik, will lead ;)
14:17:13 <asamalik> yay!
14:17:37 <asamalik> so was thinking about how to gather feedback for boltron.. I don't want to do an issue tracker
14:17:46 <nils> #chair asamalik
14:17:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore langdon mikedep333 nils tflink
14:17:48 <asamalik> because that would only capture the negative feedback
14:17:48 <langdon> so .. the problem is.. we can gather negative feedback as issues .. but how to capture general feedback or positive feedback
14:18:00 <asamalik> I don't want to ask "what's broken?" but "how did you like it?"
14:18:08 <langdon> ha.. yeah... asamalik leads :) except when i talk to much
14:18:15 <nils> asamalik, you want that from what audience?
14:18:25 <asamalik> so I can say things like "87% people loved it"
14:18:36 <asamalik> so I was thinking google forms
14:18:41 <asamalik> is that a bad idea?
14:19:01 <langdon> asamalik, so.. my worry on gforms is that it requires a google account..
14:19:13 <langdon> i was wondering if there were better alternatives
14:19:16 <nils> langdon, oh, does it?
14:19:23 <nils> I wasn't aware of that.
14:19:31 <asamalik> I think you can choose
14:19:46 <langdon> nils, thats because you usually have a cookie.. and not the tasty kind
14:20:01 <nils> That would restrict participation a bit...
14:20:09 <nils> Mhm cookies.
14:20:09 <asamalik> https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-share-a-Google-Form-over-the-web-without-requiring-a-user-to-log-in
14:20:25 <langdon> maybe i lied: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/87855/how-can-someone-answer-my-survey-form-or-google-form-without-creating-their-own
14:20:44 <asamalik> ok so if it works without login, is using Google Forms a good idea?
14:20:45 <langdon> sounds like only if you want to limit to single responses
14:21:13 <langdon> ahh i knew there was an open source one..
14:21:18 <langdon> how about https://www.limesurvey.org/
14:21:35 <asamalik> good!
14:21:39 <asamalik> so what about this decision:
14:21:43 <contyk> just upload a picture of a kitten to facebook with "share if you liked Boltron" underneath
14:21:45 <langdon> although i am  not sure if there is a free tier
14:22:03 <asamalik> let's use an open source form (which we haven't tried before) and if it doesn't work for any reason, use Google Forms
14:22:04 <langdon> contyk, i did that this morning.. lots of dogs in the commetns
14:22:07 <asamalik> would that work?
14:22:21 <asamalik> but google just as a backup
14:23:05 <nils> sounds good
14:23:21 <langdon> and/or when you make the annc to the ML, say "this is what i kind find to do this, please make other suggestions" or some such
14:23:29 <asamalik> we can always post the questions somewhere and make Google haters email response to us
14:23:40 <asamalik> as a backup of our backup :P
14:24:09 <langdon> hey look.. opensource.com did a story: https://opensource.com/article/17/2/tools-online-surveys-polls
14:24:21 <langdon> ok .. other topics? unless someone wants to add anything?
14:24:25 <asamalik> good!
14:24:28 <asamalik> so let's use that one
14:24:30 <asamalik> link it?
14:24:36 <asamalik> or one of those four :P
14:25:09 <asamalik> I'll info something
14:25:26 <langdon> quicksurvey looks like the right answer.. but it needs hosting..
14:26:07 <asamalik> ok?    #info We will be collecting feedback using online forms - preferring an open source solution over Google Forms. Forms let us ask questions of "how did you like it" as opposed to an issue tracker that is just "what's wrong?".
14:26:42 <asamalik> * of -> like
14:27:07 <langdon> works for me
14:27:16 <asamalik> #info We will be collecting feedback using online forms - preferring an open source solution over Google Forms. Forms let us ask questions of "how did you like it" as opposed to an issue tracker that is just "what's wrong?"
14:27:40 <asamalik> zodbot, please don't die again! :(
14:29:15 <nils> asamalik, I guess you're done
14:29:17 <langdon> zodbot, alive?
14:29:35 <nils> langdon, it just responded to me on PM
14:29:40 <nils> so, probably
14:29:45 <langdon> ha
14:29:57 <asamalik> zodbot, is not open! he likes to talk private! fine!
14:30:00 <langdon> #info is zodbot awake?
14:30:05 <langdon> #undo
14:30:05 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by langdon at 14:30:00 : is zodbot awake?
14:30:08 <langdon> that  worked
14:30:13 <langdon> asamalik, try again?
14:30:14 <asamalik> lol
14:30:20 <asamalik> #info We will be collecting feedback using online forms - preferring an open source solution over Google Forms. Forms let us ask questions of "how did you like it" as opposed to an issue tracker that is just "what's wrong?"
14:30:33 <langdon> that worked
14:30:39 <langdon> ok .. other topics
14:30:51 * asamalik didn't get any response...
14:31:14 <langdon> i saw it get reported by the modularity bot
14:31:30 <asamalik> ha ok
14:31:50 <langdon> i don't think you normally get feedback from a #info
14:31:58 <nils> asamalik, langdon only got a response for undoing his test #info
14:31:59 <asamalik> ok
14:32:04 <asamalik> right
14:32:12 <nils> I know, feedback is important :o)
14:32:32 <langdon> maybe an online form?
14:32:39 <nils> :D
14:33:13 <langdon> incept-form-bot
14:33:45 <langdon> ok.. seriously now.. any other topics?
14:33:56 <nils> #topic Open Floor
14:33:58 <asamalik> all good for me
14:34:09 <nils> unless you're all set
14:34:42 <nils> That seems to be the case.
14:34:52 <nils> #undo
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14:34:57 <nils> #endmeeting