17:06:38 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join 2018-06-26
17:06:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 26 17:06:38 2018 UTC.
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17:06:38 <zodbot> The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:06:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join_2018-06-26'
17:06:44 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:06:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:06:53 <FranciscoD> #chair bt0_ dhanesh95
17:06:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0_ dhanesh95
17:07:17 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Join/Next_Meeting
17:07:27 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
17:07:31 <FranciscoD> .hello ankursinha
17:07:32 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
17:07:48 <bt0_> .fas bt0dotninja
17:07:48 <zodbot> bt0_: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:08:01 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha: FranciscoD: package maintainer, fedora join, neuro-fedora, and fedora classroom (among other things)
17:08:53 <FranciscoD> #chair x3mboy
17:08:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0_ dhanesh95 x3mboy
17:08:58 <FranciscoD> #chair dukebarman
17:08:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0_ dhanesh95 dukebarman x3mboy
17:09:14 * FranciscoD will wait a few minutes for anyone coming in late
17:09:25 <bt0_> #info bt0dotninja:bt0: CommOps, marketing, ambassadors, dotNet
17:09:32 <bt0_> yeah, no problem
17:10:14 * FranciscoD collects announcements in the meantime
17:11:32 <FranciscoD> #topic New member introductions
17:11:36 <FranciscoD> Anyone new here? :)
17:11:44 * FranciscoD waits another few minutes
17:13:01 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
17:13:13 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora has a new program manager! https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/hello-fedora-program-manager/
17:13:26 <FranciscoD> #info CoreOS comes to Fedora! https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-coreos/
17:13:55 <FranciscoD> #info RHBZ being updated: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ZWVCDPB3CBEJJ5FQOGVFA2RAWWK3NOXK/
17:14:20 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora is getting a minishift spin: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IMX3STKPRYBG5B6UQJEMKTXG6KSYMIKM/
17:14:20 <dhanesh95> .hello dhanesh95
17:14:22 <zodbot> dhanesh95: dhanesh95 'Dhanesh Bhalchandra Sabane' <dhanesh95@disroot.org>
17:14:35 <bt0_> hi o/
17:14:37 <FranciscoD> #info Modules for everyone: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/NBD45XW5275VWVTLEYH5IHAJBK5T35ZF/
17:14:47 <FranciscoD> heya dhanesh95!
17:15:02 <FranciscoD> I don't think I have any other announcements. Anything from you folks
17:15:04 <FranciscoD> ?
17:15:12 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: o/
17:15:17 * FranciscoD checks commblog
17:15:19 <bt0_> not from me
17:15:50 <dhanesh95> Nothing from my side
17:15:59 <FranciscoD> OK, let's proceed then :)
17:16:12 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from last meeting
17:16:18 <FranciscoD> aka homework check :P
17:16:30 <dhanesh95> :P
17:16:46 <FranciscoD> #info Last meeting logs: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2018-06-12/fedora-join.2018-06-12-17.05.html
17:17:04 <FranciscoD> Let's start from the one I know was completed
17:17:38 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 write magazine post for next classroom session: QA101/102 - DONE - https://fedoramagazine.org/classroom-session-qa-2018-06-19/
17:17:46 <FranciscoD> .thank bt0_
17:17:46 <zodbot> FranciscoD thinks bt0_ is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bt0_++ also)
17:18:03 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail instructors and request them to send bt0 summary ASAP - DONE
17:18:14 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update next_meeting page  - DONE
17:18:29 <bt0_> :)
17:18:30 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD file tickets for all action items with next-meeting tag - DONE (I think)
17:18:47 <FranciscoD> #info dhanesh95 FranciscoD look into how easyfix works - WIP
17:19:00 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: we really need to get a move on this one >_>
17:19:18 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: True that. I'll do some work today itself.
17:19:48 <FranciscoD> OK, nice. I'll have to do it over the weekend I reckon
17:19:55 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 FranciscoD look into how easyfix works - WIP
17:20:01 <FranciscoD> #info linuxmodder clean up free-media related wiki pages - WIP
17:20:28 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder has begun working on it already
17:20:32 * dhanesh95 needs to start using GTG now.
17:20:43 <FranciscoD> #info tracker ticket for freemedia wiki gardening: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/53
17:20:50 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: try taskwarrior :D
17:21:15 <FranciscoD> We have a few tickets/tasks for sadin, but he isn't here, so I'm skipping those
17:21:32 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=next-meeting
17:21:47 <FranciscoD> We don't have any new tasks tbh
17:22:57 <FranciscoD> #info Next fedora classroom session to be held on 5/7: Ansible 101/102
17:23:14 <FranciscoD> bt0_ and I are on it already---we have a summary etc already
17:23:24 <FranciscoD> bt0_: would you be OK writing the magazine post for this one again please?
17:23:39 <bt0_> yeah, I will do it today
17:23:41 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD confirm Ansible 101/102 timings from instructors
17:23:51 <FranciscoD> bt0_: they haven't confirmed a time. I'll e-mail them right after this meeting
17:24:17 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD look at QA101 transcript and collect metrics
17:24:17 <bt0_> 6 I think
17:24:31 <FranciscoD> oh, have they? I haven't checked my e-mail in a bit
17:25:26 <bt0_> but maybe they want change a little the content ... :p
17:26:06 <FranciscoD> ah, OK XD. I'll ask them to give us a summary to send out at least
17:26:34 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD e-mail instructors asking for summary to send out
17:26:58 <FranciscoD> So, that's all our tasks then
17:27:06 <FranciscoD> Any new ideas etc that we should work on?
17:27:22 * FranciscoD has begun working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/NeuroFedora
17:28:05 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Ask Fedora stuff is done, right?
17:28:23 <FranciscoD> it's been migrated, yeh
17:28:28 <FranciscoD> and the channels are set up etc
17:28:59 <FranciscoD> I do want to do an office hours to clean it up, but I worry it'll mess up the order of questions etc
17:30:05 <dhanesh95> Great!
17:30:39 <dhanesh95> Do we need to take up more tasks? If yes, what about mentorship? I see quite a few issues on Pagure related to that.
17:31:44 <FranciscoD> Yeh, we could take that up next
17:32:15 <FranciscoD> Maybe see what mindshare is upto etc first?
17:32:21 <FranciscoD> I'm totally out of the loop
17:32:46 <dhanesh95> bt0, bt0_: Thoughts?
17:34:40 <FranciscoD> I remember we hadn't been able to come to an agreement about what mentoring should be etc
17:34:46 <FranciscoD> we'll have to start from scratch IMO
17:35:01 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD see what Mindshare is upto
17:35:24 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: anything else we can do to make -join more active?
17:35:35 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: From what I understand about Mindshare, I don't think mentorship is included. There is Ambassadors but I don't see both to be the same.
17:36:30 <FranciscoD> Yeh, mentorship in Ambassadors is very different.
17:36:34 <FranciscoD> That's more a screening process
17:37:42 <bt0_> sorry bad connection
17:38:25 <FranciscoD> bt0_: no worries. We were just wondering what new tasks we could take up
17:38:26 * dhanesh95 can't think of any new ideas at the moment.
17:38:31 <FranciscoD> Maybe the mentoring bit
17:38:53 <FranciscoD> Should we all go through the tickets and see what comments have been dropped on them to begin with?
17:39:04 <FranciscoD> That'll give us the context, and an idea of what we're trying to do
17:39:05 <dhanesh95> People trying to be a part of Fedora, what is it that they find difficult while onboarding?
17:39:38 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: loads of things, as commops found out: mentoring would help them become part of the social side of the community quicker
17:39:44 <FranciscoD> or so I think
17:40:07 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Do we have metrics around that? Is there a way we can get that data?
17:40:19 <FranciscoD> I doubt we have any metrics
17:40:37 <FranciscoD> about new folks at all. All we may be able to get is data from FAS accounts
17:41:36 <dhanesh95> So what can we do to identify the common issues faced by all the aspiring contributors?
17:42:29 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: About going through the tickets, apart from Mentoring all the other tickets are being worked on. So IMO we won't get anything there.
17:42:41 <FranciscoD> Currently, it's all speculation based. Commops worked on improving onboarding, how did they go about streamlining things?
17:42:58 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: yeh, I meant the mentoring tickets. There was a bit of discussion there iirc
17:44:12 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I vaguely remember some activities of CommOps to improve onboarding. Much of it was directed towards improving the onboarding process for various teams.
17:44:36 <dhanesh95> I remember I had helped the Python SIG improve their process.
17:44:47 <FranciscoD> Yeh, what was that based on?
17:45:28 <dhanesh95> But all of the effort was focused on internal teams. So I believe it was more inclined towards people who had already joined the project and were looking for a change.
17:46:23 <FranciscoD> Hrm, right
17:46:42 <FranciscoD> A survey system would be good. That'll help us get data to look at
17:46:57 <dhanesh95> With Join, we need to pull in people who have absolutely no idea about the project and how it functions.
17:46:58 <FranciscoD> Maybe we should work on the limesurvey ticket? sadin's quite busy
17:47:44 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: so, the idea of the mentoring bit was someting like this:
17:47:52 <FranciscoD> - we maintain a pool of mentors from different teams
17:48:07 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Even with limesurvey, we need new people. How do we reach out to people who are trying to join?
17:48:13 <FranciscoD> - a new person with no idea about Fedora says "hi, i want to join"
17:48:38 <FranciscoD> - after some chat to see what the newbie's interests are, a mentor would take them under their wing
17:49:33 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: we could find a way to dip into the pool of users that aren't contributors
17:50:09 <FranciscoD> reaching out to folks who know nothing about Fedora is very hard (if not impossible---they dont know Fedora exists, so we can't get them to join)
17:51:23 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: bt0_ : we're running out of time today. Let's think about it and discuss it again next time
17:51:38 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: IMO, we should focus on mentoring and get that done well. That'll build a good foundation for us to onboard new contributors with a bit of ease.
17:51:48 <bt0_> ok
17:51:53 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:52:13 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: ok, that's a start yeh - let's go through the tickets, and should we discuss it over the ML and then file tickets for whatever action items we come up with?
17:52:24 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:52:40 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD start discussion around mentoring on the ML
17:52:45 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs
17:52:45 <bt0_> +1
17:53:04 <FranciscoD> OK. Let's close the meeting then
17:53:13 <FranciscoD> Counting down to close:
17:53:16 <FranciscoD> 10
17:53:31 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Next meeting, I'd like to chair. :P
17:53:58 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 chair next meeting
17:54:00 <FranciscoD> Lovely :D
17:54:14 * dhanesh95 is excited. :D
17:54:46 <FranciscoD> :D
17:54:48 <FranciscoD> 8
17:54:51 <FranciscoD> 5
17:54:53 <FranciscoD> pie
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17:54:59 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting