17:01:44 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join: 2018-09-25
17:01:44 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 25 17:01:44 2018 UTC.
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17:01:44 <zodbot> The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:01:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join:_2018-09-25'
17:01:57 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:01:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:02:19 <FranciscoD> #chair x3mboy s14ck bt0 dhanesh95 dukebarman hellbanger
17:02:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0 dhanesh95 dukebarman hellbanger s14ck x3mboy
17:02:47 <FranciscoD> Have I missed anyone?
17:03:13 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
17:03:20 <x3mboy> .hello2
17:03:22 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:03:35 <bt0> .fas bt0dotninja
17:03:36 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:03:46 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD: ankursinha---Fedora Join/Classroom, packaging, NeuroFedora and a few other tidbits
17:03:48 <hellbanger> .fas hellbangerkarna
17:03:49 <zodbot> hellbanger: hellbangerkarna '' <akarshan.biswas@hotmail.com>
17:04:26 <s14ck> .fas jhoanir
17:04:27 <zodbot> s14ck: jhoanir 'Jhoanir Torres' <jhoanir@gmail.com>
17:04:51 <FranciscoD> #topic New member introductions
17:05:26 <FranciscoD> #info If this is your first meeting, please introduce yourself---what are your interests, what you'd like to do, what help can we provide?
17:06:02 <FranciscoD> #topic Community announcements
17:06:06 <FranciscoD> I think we have a few ;)
17:06:23 <s14ck> This is not my first meeting
17:06:28 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora 29 beta has been released: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29-beta/
17:06:57 <FranciscoD> #info Today is Java test day: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/test-day-java-81011/
17:07:00 <bt0> \o/
17:07:13 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora program managers latest report: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2018-38/
17:07:49 <FranciscoD> #info Submit a talk to Devconf.cz: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/submit-fedora-talk-devconf-cz-2019/
17:08:12 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora appreciation week is coming up in November: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-appreciation-week-2018/
17:08:42 * FranciscoD doesn't think he has any more
17:08:47 <FranciscoD> Anyone else have anything?
17:08:55 <s14ck> We hava a lot information today
17:09:08 <FranciscoD> #info Gnome 3.30 is coming to Fedora 29: https://fedoramagazine.org/gnome-3-30-released-coming-fedora-29/
17:09:08 <s14ck> Not me
17:09:44 <FranciscoD> I'll wait a minute or two in case someone thinks up someting before proceeding to the next topic
17:09:45 <bt0> me neither
17:10:11 <hellbanger> Same goes for me.
17:10:23 <alciregi> .hello2
17:10:24 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
17:10:42 <FranciscoD> #chair alciregi
17:10:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0 dhanesh95 dukebarman hellbanger s14ck x3mboy
17:10:48 <FranciscoD> OK, next topic then
17:11:01 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from past week
17:11:13 <FranciscoD> #info The last meeting was 2 weeks ago. Minutes are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/sresults/?group_id=fedora-join&type=team
17:11:18 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:11:18 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 17:11:13 : The last meeting was 2 weeks ago. Minutes are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/sresults/?group_id=fedora-join&type=team
17:11:31 <FranciscoD> #info The last meeting was 2 weeks ago. Minutes are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-join/fedora-join.2018-09-11-17.04.html
17:11:47 <FranciscoD> #info s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals
17:11:55 <FranciscoD> s14ck: Any progress on this?
17:12:18 <FranciscoD> #info Our tickets are at: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues
17:12:32 <FranciscoD> #info Pagure got a facelift!
17:13:25 <FranciscoD> #info Classroom related tickets are here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=classroom
17:13:48 <FranciscoD> s14ck: here? I don't see any new tickets about classroom sessions---can you file ones for the sessions you propose please?
17:14:09 <FranciscoD> I will re-assign the task to you in the mean time?
17:14:29 <FranciscoD> #action  s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals
17:15:13 <s14ck> In fact, I'm working on that but I need more time because
17:15:14 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update #61 to say "Next round of modularity classroom sessions": DONE
17:15:26 <FranciscoD> #info This is the main ticket for modularity related sessions: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/61
17:15:41 <s14ck> I need deploy this ides with a local group of volunteers
17:15:46 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD make other tickets block #61: DONE
17:16:00 <FranciscoD> s14ck: OK, let's hold that for the open floor---gotta go through tasks and tickets first
17:16:02 <bt0> cool
17:16:10 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail devel list to clarify the function of "Trivial" key word on review tickets: PENDING
17:16:33 <FranciscoD> there's some discussion on the github ticket, but I think pingou was away for a bit and hasnt replied yet
17:16:47 <bt0> ok
17:17:06 <x3mboy> Sorry, connection problems
17:17:09 <FranciscoD> Is the devel list worth speaking to? I think yes---I'll reassign to myself?
17:17:25 <FranciscoD> #chair x3mboy
17:17:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0 dhanesh95 dukebarman hellbanger s14ck x3mboy
17:17:47 <FranciscoD> hello x3mboy! we're just going over last meeting's tasks: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-join/fedora-join.2018-09-11-17.04.html
17:17:55 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD e-mail devel list to clarify the function of "Trivial" key word on review tickets
17:18:09 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail dukebarman to check up: DONE
17:18:40 <FranciscoD> #info dukebarman has said he's slightly busy at the moment and will get started when he can find some time. I've removed his temporary membership  and closed the ticket too.
17:19:04 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD go over draft post: DONE
17:19:31 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mailed dhanesh95 feedback yesterday. dhanesh95 is making changes.
17:19:39 <FranciscoD> #info dhanesh95 FranciscoD finish post and aim to publish before next meeting: PENDING
17:19:47 <FranciscoD> reassigning---we'll have it out in a week or two
17:19:59 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 FranciscoD finish post and aim to publish in 2 weeks
17:20:09 <FranciscoD> #info dhanesh95 figure out a way to make draft public: DONE
17:20:35 <FranciscoD> he gave us the public link in the last meeting. The link has expired, though
17:21:16 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update wiki page with information about badges from https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/33: DONE
17:21:24 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD added: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Badges_for_instructors
17:21:59 <FranciscoD> #info In short, if a session happens in #fedora-classroom, instructors get badges automatically. BUT, if it happens over jitsi or bluejean etc, we must open a ticket requesting a badge to be manually given to them.
17:22:07 <FranciscoD> I've noted that on the wiki page too
17:22:13 <bt0> awesome
17:22:28 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD close https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/33: DONE
17:22:35 <FranciscoD> This was the ticket related to badges. Closed
17:22:41 <FranciscoD> bt0: thanks for following it up :)
17:22:52 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send e-mails to ML about tickets that need discussing one by one: PENDING
17:23:21 <FranciscoD> I'll do this after today's meeting with whatever tickets we think need more discussion
17:23:26 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send e-mails to ML about tickets that need discussing one by one
17:23:39 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send out logs: DONE
17:23:47 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update next meeting page: DONE
17:23:55 <FranciscoD> well, was for the last meeting that we all managed to miss XD
17:24:09 <FranciscoD> That's all, moving on to tickets
17:24:16 <FranciscoD> #topic Pagure tickets
17:24:29 <bt0> cool
17:24:38 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: I see a ticket of classroom on building gnome extensions?
17:24:54 <FranciscoD> #info We go over tickets tagged "next-meeting": https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=next-meeting
17:25:38 <FranciscoD> hellbanger: yes, if you have any ideas, can you comment on the ticket? It's only an idea, and not mature enough to be discussed in a meeting yet.
17:25:45 <FranciscoD> should I assign you an action hellbanger ?
17:26:05 <hellbanger> The idea seems interesting to me.
17:26:07 <x3mboy> Ooohhh!!! Pagure was updated!!!
17:26:12 <x3mboy> Sorry, for the hype
17:26:23 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: i noticed too! Looks nice and fancy!
17:26:40 <FranciscoD> hellbanger: ah, awesome, please comment on the ticket. We need to find an instructor to begin with :)
17:26:50 <bt0> yeah still we need report some bugs/ undocumented features
17:26:56 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Sure.
17:27:26 <FranciscoD> Ok, this time I'll start from the oldest ticket then
17:27:53 <FranciscoD> #info FAS group membership kinks: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/5 (*three* years old!)
17:28:15 <FranciscoD> This is what I'd thought: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/5#comment-6296
17:28:55 <FranciscoD> in general, apart from giving newbies temporary membership, the core team should be folks who are relatively active and who know a little about the community and how it runs
17:29:09 <FranciscoD> that ensures that the core team is knowledgeable enough to be helpful to newbies
17:29:19 <x3mboy> +1
17:29:25 <bt0> +1
17:29:26 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: +1
17:29:27 <FranciscoD> I dont think we need to enforce it strictly---just as a guideline/spirit
17:30:00 <FranciscoD> Should I close thet ticket and add this to the wiki page as a guideline?
17:30:11 <FranciscoD> +1 from me too
17:30:18 <FranciscoD> that's 4 +1s. Any -1s?
17:30:24 <FranciscoD> any comments?
17:30:34 <bt0> wait
17:30:50 <bt0> we'll find a datagrepper way to do this like the ambassadors do <-- i can do this :)
17:31:00 <FranciscoD> bt0: yeh, awesome :)
17:31:06 <FranciscoD> I know you have your magic script :D
17:31:08 <bt0> maybe a new ticket
17:31:21 <bt0> and close this
17:32:04 <FranciscoD> OK. What's the new ticket about? The updating wiki task?
17:32:22 <FranciscoD> #agreed proposed guidelines are OK (+4/-0)
17:32:26 <bt0> no, generating the script
17:32:31 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD close https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/5
17:32:47 <FranciscoD> bt0: should I assign that to you as a task?
17:33:18 <bt0> sure
17:33:43 <FranciscoD> #action bt0 file new ticket about datagrepper script to check activity for membership purposes
17:34:22 <FranciscoD> next ticket:
17:34:32 <FranciscoD> #info Join SIG introduction template: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6
17:34:51 <FranciscoD> Hrm, how do folks introduce themselves now?
17:34:51 <x3mboy> I just commented this one
17:35:00 <x3mboy> With an email
17:35:03 <x3mboy> I think
17:35:09 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: yeh, I saw that :)
17:35:09 <s14ck> +1
17:35:23 <FranciscoD> Yeh, we just say "hi, I'm xyz, this is what I'm interested in"
17:35:37 <FranciscoD> what this suggests is that we have a template that folks can look at as a guide
17:36:08 <hellbanger> +1 seems nice.
17:36:27 <FranciscoD> Is this for newbies introducing themselves to the SIG, or contributors who want to join the SIG?
17:36:42 <FranciscoD> the ticket doesn't say
17:37:08 <FranciscoD> newbies and contributors should have different templates, no?
17:37:12 * FranciscoD is thinking
17:37:21 <hellbanger> point 4 : Any tips for new members? Seems like contributors to me. FranciscoD
17:37:30 <FranciscoD> ah, yeh, there we go
17:37:35 <bt0> good question, maybe only for newbies, the new guidelines works for contributors
17:38:01 <FranciscoD> bt0: has commops come up with something while improving onboarding for various SIGs, any idea?
17:38:39 <bt0> yeah, jwf update some ideas in:
17:39:19 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/166
17:40:07 <FranciscoD> AH! So that's for newbies joining SIGs, right?
17:40:35 <bt0> yeah
17:40:43 <bt0> i need work it :(
17:40:56 <FranciscoD> haha, no worries
17:41:20 <FranciscoD> So the ticket we are looking at seems to be for new seasoned contributors joining the Join SIG
17:41:33 <FranciscoD> I'll update the ticket topic
17:41:55 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6 summary to clarify that this is for seasoned contributors looking to join the Join SIG to help
17:42:29 <FranciscoD> Let me assign this to myself, and I'll see what I can come up with by the next meeting
17:42:40 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6 asssigned to FranciscoD
17:42:44 <x3mboy> +1. Newbies should reach us to look for help joining the community, not the Join SIG
17:43:33 <hellbanger> x3mboy +1
17:43:54 <bt0> +1
17:44:17 <FranciscoD> x3mboy: I got lost, sorry---can you explain that a bit?
17:45:09 <hellbanger> Also bt0 , Only brief introductions and their interests from newbies is enough. We need to make sure they get all the information for their interest choose imo.
17:45:27 <hellbanger> *they choose
17:45:41 <x3mboy> FranciscoD, about the issue 6, that template should be targeted for contributors that want to join to the Join SIG.
17:45:58 <FranciscoD> ah, yes +1
17:46:02 <x3mboy> Because of previous comment
17:46:25 <FranciscoD> the next ticket is similar:
17:46:40 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/7:  Prospective contributor introduction template
17:46:58 <FranciscoD> this is the same thing as #6, but for all contributors looking to join any teams---so a general one
17:47:08 <FranciscoD> (not limited to joining the Join SIG)
17:47:15 <bt0> it's like the commops ticket
17:47:30 <FranciscoD> bt0: yes, but the commops ticket is for absolute newbies
17:47:53 <FranciscoD> this is for someone who is a contributor already and wants to help in a new place
17:47:59 <FranciscoD> lots of overlap in the 3 tickets tbh
17:48:26 <x3mboy> Yeah, but I think is ok
17:48:35 <x3mboy> It makes it easy to work on
17:48:44 <x3mboy> I can work on the contributors template
17:48:55 <x3mboy> Not in the newbies one
17:49:13 <FranciscoD> OK---how about we do the three templates and then see what's common and how we can make them useful to their target audiences?
17:50:04 <x3mboy> Mmm, that makes sense
17:50:17 * bt0 agree
17:50:17 <FranciscoD> #action x3mboy work on https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/7
17:50:41 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy bt0 FranciscoD finish templates and discuss what's common and how they should be made available to the community
17:50:58 <FranciscoD> OK, I'm going to skip a few tickets and get to a classroom related one:
17:51:10 <FranciscoD> #info Modularity classroom sessions https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/61
17:51:26 <FranciscoD> bt0: do we have a timeline on these?
17:51:40 <bt0> give me a week
17:52:03 <FranciscoD> #action bt0 follow up on #61 and try to schedule the sessions
17:52:12 <FranciscoD> This is the current schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
17:52:34 <FranciscoD> I can do one on packaging or LaTeX, but if there are multiple Modularity sessions, they should stay together
17:52:50 <FranciscoD> like a "modularity series" type thing
17:53:45 <FranciscoD> we do need to be more pro-active with sessions---must minimise quiet periods
17:54:10 * bt0 also agree
17:55:00 <FranciscoD> I don't see any more tickets that can be quickly looked at, so I'll stop here. A few require more discussion, so I'll e-mail the ML about them.
17:55:06 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
17:56:09 <FranciscoD> s14ck: you wanted to write post(s) on Infra 101?
17:56:37 <FranciscoD> or did you mean infra 101 classroom sessions?
17:56:57 <x3mboy> I can do one about zsh
17:56:58 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out ligs
17:57:01 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:57:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 17:56:58 : FranciscoD send out ligs
17:57:05 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs
17:57:15 <bt0> zsh??
17:57:20 <x3mboy> And a 2nd vim session that is delayed since everywhere
17:57:21 <FranciscoD> #action x3mboy file ticket proposing zsh classroom session
17:57:31 <hellbanger> zsh? cool
17:57:37 <FranciscoD> #action x3mboy FranciscoD do second vim classroom session
17:57:50 <FranciscoD> I think s14ck is busy. I'll open tickets about infra related sessions
17:58:08 <x3mboy> yeah, i'm on 95% of the zsh official documentation
17:58:12 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD open new tickets about Infra 101 related classroom sessions
17:58:25 <x3mboy> I think I can do a good one
17:58:28 <bt0> awesome
17:59:16 <s14ck> FranciscoD: wait
17:59:23 <s14ck> Sorry
17:59:27 <s14ck> Im back
17:59:49 <FranciscoD> ah, no worries---I was asking if you wanted to plan a classroom session or two related to Infra 101?
18:00:14 * FranciscoD notes that we've finished the 1 hour
18:00:21 <s14ck> Actually I have  many ideas around  infra 101
18:00:22 <FranciscoD> s14ck: should we discuss it in #fedora-join?
18:00:30 * FranciscoD wants to make it a habit to start and end on time ;)
18:01:13 <bt0> +1
18:01:21 <FranciscoD> I'll close the meeting so that the channel is free for others to use.
18:01:24 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting