17:07:55 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join - 2018-10-02
17:07:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct  2 17:07:55 2018 UTC.
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17:08:08 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:08:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:08:22 <FranciscoD> #chair bt0 hellbanger dhanesh95
17:08:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD bt0 dhanesh95 hellbanger
17:08:33 <FranciscoD> If I've missed anyone out, please ping me
17:08:34 <FranciscoD> #chair alciregi
17:08:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0 dhanesh95 hellbanger
17:08:54 <alciregi> hi
17:09:00 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Join/Next_Meeting
17:09:06 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
17:09:22 <bt0> .fas bt0dotninja
17:09:23 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:09:37 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha: packaging, join, classrooms, NeuroFedora and other misc community tasks
17:09:41 <FranciscoD> .hello2
17:09:42 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:09:42 <hellbanger> .fas hellbangerkarna
17:09:45 <zodbot> hellbanger: hellbangerkarna '' <akarshan.biswas@hotmail.com>
17:09:45 <FranciscoD> .hello
17:09:50 <FranciscoD> meh
17:09:50 <zodbot> FranciscoD: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
17:09:50 <dhanesh95> #info Dhanesh B. Sabane, UTC+5:30, CommOps, Join, RPM Packaging, Python
17:09:51 <alciregi> .hello2
17:09:53 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
17:10:00 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez S; UTC-5;CommOps (Metrics, Community engagement), DotNet (Testing), Infrastructure(Apprentice), Marketing (Member), Ambassadors (Member),Fedora-Join(Member) ,Cats (lover)
17:10:20 <FranciscoD> let's wait for a minute for anyone else
17:10:33 <hellbanger> .hello2
17:10:34 <zodbot> hellbanger: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:10:40 <hellbanger> lol
17:11:02 <FranciscoD> #topic New member introductions
17:11:25 <FranciscoD> #info If anyone has not attended a meeting before, they can use this opportunity to introduce themselves to the group :)
17:11:36 <FranciscoD> I will wait 3 minutes here before moving on.
17:11:43 <FranciscoD> The rest can collect their announcements in this time ;)
17:14:05 <FranciscoD> #topic Community announcements
17:14:08 <FranciscoD> Go! :)
17:14:41 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora tagger and statscache sunset: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YBJQEVGTOBHSK6KN3YK4532PXELTZDV2/
17:14:56 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora 29 beta has been released! https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/KNXC3AMDBFIIFHLVWE66QEAVYQIKMA6S/
17:14:56 <bt0> :'(
17:15:01 <bt0> :)
17:15:04 <FranciscoD> XD
17:15:15 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora packaging guidelines have been moved to docs.fp.o: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/V6RVEV5PIUHKZTMKFBVZVEKVGKMU7MYK/
17:15:22 <bt0> :D
17:15:25 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Good news!
17:15:28 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora packaging guidelines: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/
17:15:49 <FranciscoD> #info Planned Fedora infra outage on 2018-10-03: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7RS6LABWJDOCQUW2J6KNR4WMDQKGV2FF/
17:16:13 <FranciscoD> oh, one for me :P
17:16:25 <FranciscoD> #info NeuroFedora is up and running and is looking for contributors: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/VXN4UBCNIL6BUCDRN55IGVK3IMO3HF6C/
17:17:03 <FranciscoD> #info DNF test day tomorrow: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/dnf-3-5-test-day-2018-10-03/
17:17:20 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora program managers notes for this week: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2018-39/
17:17:23 <bt0> awesome
17:17:47 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora atomic and cloud test day was yesterday (you can still participate!): https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-29-atomic-and-cloud-test-day-2018-10-01/
17:18:11 <FranciscoD> I don't think I have anything else
17:18:14 * FranciscoD goes to look at MLs
17:18:45 <FranciscoD> Anyone have anaything else?
17:18:59 <FranciscoD> #info Hactoberfest is on! https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/
17:19:00 <bt0> not from me
17:19:29 <FranciscoD> I'll wait another 2 minutes for any other announcements. Please feel free to share info from other teams that you participate in.
17:19:34 <hellbanger> There is one but I think it's offtopic here.
17:19:45 <bt0> go ahead
17:19:48 <FranciscoD> +1
17:20:11 <hellbanger> #info chromium-vaapi is coming to fedora :D
17:20:17 <FranciscoD> nice!
17:20:38 <FranciscoD> you should announce this on your blog and make sure it shows up on the planet
17:20:43 <FranciscoD> etc
17:21:08 <FranciscoD> Any more?
17:21:16 <FranciscoD> otherwise we move on to the work! :)
17:21:21 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Sure. :)
17:21:28 <bt0> awesome
17:21:33 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from past week
17:22:07 <FranciscoD> #info Last week's meeting minutes are here: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2018-09-25/fedora-join.2018-09-25-17.01.txt
17:22:37 <FranciscoD> #info s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals
17:23:29 <FranciscoD> looks like it's pending
17:23:34 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:23:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 17:22:37 : s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals
17:23:35 <bt0> yeah
17:23:42 <FranciscoD> #info s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals: PENDING, reassigning
17:23:47 <FranciscoD> #action s14ck Create tickets with classroom session proposals
17:24:30 <s14ck> o/
17:24:34 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail devel list to clarify the function of "Trivial" key word on review tickets: PENDING (waiting on), reassigning
17:24:36 <s14ck> .fas jhoanir
17:24:37 <zodbot> s14ck: jhoanir 'Jhoanir Torres' <jhoanir@gmail.com>
17:24:46 <FranciscoD> bt0: we haven't heard anything on our github ticket, have we?
17:25:03 <bt0> nothing
17:25:03 <FranciscoD> #info https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-gather-easyfix/pull/13 -> PR to add this bit
17:25:22 <FranciscoD> OK, I'll e-mail the ML then. I was hoping to get some feedback there before I did.
17:25:37 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD e-mail devel list to clarify the function of "Trivial" key word on review tickets
17:26:05 <FranciscoD> s14ck: you have a pending task from last week: "Create tickets with classroom session proposals". I've reassigned it to you :)
17:26:20 <FranciscoD> #info dhanesh95 FranciscoD finish post and aim to publish in 2 weeks: WIP, reassigning
17:26:31 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95 is working on the post, I believe
17:26:38 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: around? how is this going?
17:26:44 <dhanesh95> o/
17:26:49 <s14ck> !
17:27:04 <FranciscoD> s14ck: let me finish this one, and then we'll return to your task?
17:27:07 <dhanesh95> I'm not really working on it. Things are a bit crazy lately. I'm planning to work on this over the coming weekend.
17:27:36 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: no worries, I'll reassign it to us, and we can aim to do it in the next 2 weeks again?
17:27:38 * dhanesh95 was at the office for almost 13 hours today.
17:27:46 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:27:50 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 FranciscoD finish post and aim to publish in 2 weeks
17:27:55 <FranciscoD> ah, yikes, that's a long day!
17:27:58 <FranciscoD> take your time :)
17:28:03 <FranciscoD> s14ck: go :)
17:29:38 <s14ck> FranciscoD: I need talk to you after the meeting. The last weekend we enroll 20 newcomers and we need engagement with Join and Classroom.
17:30:08 <s14ck> EOF
17:30:10 <FranciscoD> s14ck: sure, let's do that.
17:30:24 <FranciscoD> #action s14ck FranciscoD discuss newcomers + classroom after meeting
17:30:51 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send e-mails to ML about tickets that need discussing one by one: PENDING, need-info
17:31:06 <FranciscoD> I was hoping we'll go through the tix during a meeting and decide which ones need to be discussed on the ML
17:31:23 <FranciscoD> so, this has been waiting on that. Let's hope we can get to these tickets today
17:31:32 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send e-mails to ML about tickets that need discussing one by one
17:32:09 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD close https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/5 "Fedora join FAS group membership kinks ": DONE
17:32:28 <FranciscoD> #info I added a new section to the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Join#Membership
17:32:44 <bt0> maybe it's time to write our own docs
17:32:55 <dhanesh95> +1
17:33:03 <FranciscoD> bt0: yeh, could do that, file a ticket?
17:33:13 <bt0> i will do
17:33:24 <FranciscoD> unless it's absolutely necessary, though, I wouldn't put it too high on the priority list. It takes cycles :(
17:33:34 <bt0> yeah
17:33:48 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 file new ticket about datagrepper script to check activity for membership purposes:  DONE
17:33:54 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 filed https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/72
17:34:04 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/72 requires comments!
17:34:28 * FranciscoD drops one
17:34:53 <bt0> i can get easily all the members of a group with the 'last_seen' field
17:35:20 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6 summary to clarify that this is for seasoned contributors looking to join the Join SIG to help
17:35:21 <bt0> this field has the date of the last activity
17:35:40 <FranciscoD> bt0: ah, that's convenient
17:35:47 <bt0> yeah
17:35:51 <FranciscoD> but maybe activity over a period would be a better measure?
17:36:15 <FranciscoD> ie. if someone did something today but was inactive for 6 months before that, that's not very active, no?
17:36:15 <bt0> yeah
17:36:23 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:36:23 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 17:35:20 : FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6 summary to clarify that this is for seasoned contributors looking to join the Join SIG to help
17:36:32 <bt0> usually i take this fiel to say if this user is currently active
17:37:21 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: "if someone did something today but was inactive for 6 months before that" - tagged him as zombie.
17:37:38 <hellbanger> s/tagged/tag/
17:37:40 <FranciscoD> bt0: could it be extended to "activity over $period"?
17:37:47 <bt0> yeah
17:37:52 <FranciscoD> awesome!
17:37:57 <FranciscoD> hellbanger: yeh, something of the sort
17:38:07 <FranciscoD> we rarely need the script tbh, but it's good to have it
17:38:11 <bt0> the easiest is from a date to today
17:38:19 <FranciscoD> bt0: that would work
17:38:29 <FranciscoD> will you please update the ticket with this info when you can?
17:38:33 <bt0> awesome
17:38:38 <bt0> yeah
17:38:53 <FranciscoD> #action bt0 update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/72 with more information
17:38:54 <bt0> action me
17:38:56 <FranciscoD> done ;)
17:39:05 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6 summary to clarify that this is for seasoned contributors looking to join the Join SIG to help: DONE
17:39:34 <FranciscoD> #info Summary of the ticket has been modified to: Join SIG introduction template for seasoned contributors looking to help out
17:39:48 <FranciscoD> Something weird happened there---look at all those comments at the end
17:40:50 <FranciscoD> I'm working on this now, by the way
17:41:06 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD work on https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/6
17:41:06 <bt0> it's from the pagure update
17:41:07 <dhanesh95> Probably due to the new Pagure release
17:41:15 <FranciscoD> ah, yeh, must be
17:41:25 <FranciscoD> oh well
17:41:34 <FranciscoD> another 10 e-mails in my inbox dont mean much XD
17:41:44 <bt0> jejeje
17:41:56 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy work on https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/7: WIP, has been assigned to x3mboy
17:42:16 * dhanesh95 thought he was being spammed by Pagure during that update
17:42:39 <FranciscoD> #info bt0 follow up on #61 and try to schedule the sessions: DONE, ticket will be discussed
17:42:40 * bt0 too
17:42:57 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send out logs: DONE
17:43:14 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy file ticket proposing zsh classroom session: PENDING
17:43:25 <FranciscoD> I'll file a ticket and assign it to x3mboy :P
17:43:38 <FranciscoD> #action file ticket proposing zsh classroom session and assign it to x3mboy
17:43:51 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy FranciscoD do second vim classroom session: PENDING
17:43:59 <FranciscoD> I'll file a ticket for this too, we don't have one yet
17:44:12 <FranciscoD> wait, I've messed something up
17:44:16 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file ticket proposing zsh classroom session and assign it to x3mboy
17:44:23 <bt0> also, we talk in the week about a silverblue classroom
17:44:37 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file ticket for Vim 102 classroom session
17:44:50 <FranciscoD> bt0: ah, yes, I'll file a ticket for that too
17:45:03 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file ticket for Silverblue classroom session
17:45:22 <dhanesh95> Yayy! VIM 102!
17:45:25 * dhanesh95 loves vim
17:45:28 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD open new tickets about Infra 101 related classroom sessions: DONE: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/70
17:46:11 * hellbanger is thinking about opening a ticket for localized classroom sessions
17:46:36 <FranciscoD> #action hellbanger file ticket about l10n classroom sessions
17:46:38 <FranciscoD> ;)
17:46:51 <hellbanger> cool
17:46:55 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: there's a website where one competes to see who can do a task in least vimstrokes. I can't find it at the moment
17:47:19 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs
17:47:24 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update next meeting page
17:47:40 <FranciscoD> that was quite a bit. We have 10 minutes for tickets
17:47:45 <FranciscoD> #topic Pagure tickets
17:48:53 <FranciscoD> alciregi isn't here, so we'll skip https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/64 (podman etc classroom sessions)
17:49:31 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/28 Classroom v2 video platforms
17:50:01 <FranciscoD> we seem to be doing fine with Jitsi and BlueJeans---do we still need this, or can we close this ticket?
17:50:13 <bt0> +1 for close
17:50:18 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: hellbanger bt0 : what do you think?
17:50:22 <FranciscoD> +1 for close also
17:50:37 <hellbanger> +1 for close here too
17:50:40 <dhanesh95> +1
17:51:01 <FranciscoD> #agreed close https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/28: we're happy with jitsi + bluejeans at the moment
17:51:06 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD close https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/28
17:51:30 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/71: release schedule oriented organisation of Fedora classroom sessions
17:51:44 <FranciscoD> I think most people think this is a good idea?
17:52:18 <FranciscoD> The idea is that we fix what weeks of the release period we'll have sessions in
17:52:20 <dhanesh95> Yes. I loved this idea.
17:52:25 <hellbanger> Yes
17:52:25 <bt0> me too
17:52:43 <FranciscoD> and so, we can work to have a session each week in this period, and use the quiet time for analysis and organisation of sessions for the next release
17:52:59 <FranciscoD> we can also highlight new tech that the new release brings and so on
17:53:22 <dhanesh95> +1
17:53:24 <FranciscoD> If everyone has a +1 for this, I can work on making a release related calendar for us
17:53:25 <bt0> +1
17:53:25 <hellbanger> +1
17:53:38 <FranciscoD> if it's good enough, we can even ask the program manager to make it part of the official schedule
17:53:51 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Rope in bcotton in this for feedback?
17:53:55 <FranciscoD> OK, that's +4/-0, so agreed
17:54:12 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: yes, that's the idea, but I'll cook something up to show him first?
17:54:20 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:54:41 <FranciscoD> #agreed We try to come up with a release related calendar for the classroom: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/71
17:54:49 * dhanesh95 has to leave now. Aloha!
17:54:51 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD comment on the ticket and close it appropriately
17:54:56 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: have a good night!
17:55:04 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Thanks!
17:55:09 <dhanesh95> Aloha everyone o/
17:55:15 <hellbanger> dhanesh95: Good night :)
17:55:18 <bt0> o/
17:55:22 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file new ticket and come up with a calender for the F29 release period
17:55:25 <hellbanger> 0/
17:56:09 <FranciscoD> so we have a few tickets related to re-starting the mentoring programme
17:56:36 <FranciscoD> I think they need to be discussed on the ML, but because they require us starting from scratch, they are hard to discuss
17:56:49 <FranciscoD> any suggestions how we should go about restarting mentoring?
17:57:10 <FranciscoD> Should I just e-mail the list with some info on what it used to be first?
17:57:25 <bt0> office hours
17:57:26 <FranciscoD> #info Mentoring related tickets: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=mentorship
17:57:27 <bt0> ??
17:57:40 <bt0> ok, better
17:57:50 <FranciscoD> bt0: can you explain "office hours"?
17:58:15 <FranciscoD> by mentoring I think: pool of seasoned contributors who personally look after a few newbies
17:59:04 <FranciscoD> but that is my definition, maybe we need to change that to make it better/easier
17:59:49 <bt0> right, sounds good, i mean what i this pool has a fixed time to work with newcomers
18:00:02 <bt0> *what if
18:00:54 <FranciscoD> yes, that could be done
18:01:29 <FranciscoD> I was thinking more on the lines of a mentor "taking on" newbie A, B, C, and personally looking after them
18:01:45 <FranciscoD> something similar to the ambassador mentors, but without the "sponsorship" bit at the end
18:01:52 <bt0> ohh, sounds good
18:02:33 <FranciscoD> we have the usual issues---how do we encourage more community members to volunteer for this extra task?
18:02:33 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Not just that, teaching them and letting them contribute when they can't on time because of their work or something.
18:02:49 <FranciscoD> hellbanger: yes, all of that---keeping it flexible too
18:02:57 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Yes
18:03:13 <FranciscoD> another issue is: who can be a mentor? do we need a process, or can it be anyone?
18:03:28 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Experienced people?
18:03:37 <FranciscoD> because we do want seasoned folks for this, so some process would be needed I think
18:03:53 <FranciscoD> hellbanger: exaclty, but how do we define "experience", and set thresholds?
18:04:08 <FranciscoD> gah, we're over time!
18:04:20 <bt0> uff, right
18:04:29 <FranciscoD> should I e-mail the ML and we'll discuss this there. We'll also try to get input from newbies on the list?
18:04:31 <hellbanger> FranciscoD: Let's continue the discussion on fedora-join?
18:04:37 <FranciscoD> Yes, let's move there first
18:04:41 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting