16:01:02 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2021-04-01) 16:01:02 Meeting started Thu Apr 1 16:01:02 2021 UTC. 16:01:02 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:01:02 The chair is siddharthvipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:02 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2021-04-01)' 16:01:03 #meetingname infrastructure 16:01:03 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 16:01:03 #chair nirik smooge siddharthvipul mobrien zlopez pingou bodanel dtometzki 16:01:03 #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra 16:01:03 #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/ 16:01:03 Current chairs: bodanel dtometzki mobrien nirik pingou siddharthvipul smooge zlopez 16:01:03 #topic aloha 16:01:13 it's the infra meeting channel. ;) 16:01:15 morning 16:01:42 nirik, wait, we were talking about this meeting moving here, right? 16:01:53 or I am messing up somewherE? 16:01:53 hey I made it! I thought we were in meeting 1 16:01:58 .hello computerkid 16:01:59 ComputerKid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' 16:02:06 .hello zlopez 16:02:06 Zlopez[m]: zlopez 'Michal Konečný' 16:02:10 ComputerKid, Thanks to DST, there are 2 meetings scheduled there 16:02:13 .hello siddharthvipul1 16:02:14 Confused about the DST 16:02:15 siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' 16:02:18 .hello dtometzki 16:02:19 dtometzki: dtometzki 'Damian Tometzki' 16:02:22 this is fine. 16:02:27 DST is terrible 16:02:52 let's see if we can discuss and figure out a way (or move permanently).. in open floor section :) 16:02:53 🔥☕🐶🔥 16:02:57 .hi 16:02:58 darknao: darknao 'Francois Andrieu' 16:03:00 DST should be banned and we should only use UTC worldwide :-D 16:03:07 quite a lot of people :) welcome everyone 16:03:31 CET is for me now better 1h later now 16:03:46 we will wait for a minute before moving to next topic, let's complain about DST till then :D 16:03:51 .hi jnsamyak 16:03:51 samyak-jn: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:04:02 .hi 16:04:03 bodanel: bodanel 'Bogdan Benea' 16:04:17 .hello humaton 16:04:18 jednorozec: humaton 'Tomáš Hrčka' 16:04:20 samyak-jn, try .hello followed by your username 16:04:35 .hello jnsamyak 16:04:35 samyak-jn: jnsamyak 'Samyak Jain' 16:04:49 siddharthvipul: That fixed, thanks! 16:04:52 :) 16:05:03 .hi 16:05:06 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 16:05:11 oh hi nb \o :D 16:05:14 someone should fix the fedora infrastructure wiki page if were to keep the meetings here 16:05:26 bodanel, ++ we will discuss these and action in open floor 16:05:50 .hi 16:05:51 hi nb! 16:05:51 mobrien: mobrien 'Mark O'Brien' 16:05:53 Saffronique, is not around to say no, all action items assigned to him :D 16:06:25 Great, a lot of people :) I also see a new nick.. so next section! 16:06:29 #topic New folks introductions 16:06:30 #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves 16:06:30 #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 16:06:46 samyak-jn, if I am not wrong, is this is your first or second meeting? 16:07:01 Hi, This is Samyak this side, this is my first time attending the meet. 16:07:13 great, would you like to introduce yourself? 16:07:31 welcome samyak-jn 16:07:46 and yes, as dtometzki said - Welcome :D 16:07:59 welcome samyak-jn 16:08:15 I just completed my graduation, will be getting my degree within two three months, I look forward to contribute to the team, and learn from you all! 16:08:21 welcome! 16:08:29 \o/ yayy 16:08:42 do check the link to know more about us and if you have any doubts, please feel free to ask :) 16:08:48 I did GSoC last summer from Debian, and contributed in packaging kotlin their(still in progress)! 16:09:06 nice 16:09:12 Thank you so much for all kind welcomes, means a lot! (over from my side)! 16:09:26 great, so do we have anyone else who is new? 16:09:27 siddharthvipul: Sure, thanks. 16:09:37 if not, moving to next topic in 30 seconds :) 16:09:46 I'm new this week! 16:09:55 ;P 16:09:58 ComputerKid introduce yourself :P 16:10:04 ComputerKid, haha, nahh, good old wise owl 16:10:09 :P 16:10:36 okay, let's move to next topic then ^-^ 16:10:59 #topic Next chair 16:10:59 #info chair 2021-04-01 - siddharthvipul 16:10:59 #info chair 2021-04-08- nirik 16:10:59 #info chair 2021-04-15- dtometzki 16:11:28 hmm, seems we are already 2 weeks in advance.. we are looking for a volunteer for 2021-04-22 16:11:40 You can put me in if nobody else wants it 16:11:43 if anyone is interested, please raise your hand :) 16:11:46 mobrien, and yours 16:11:54 #info chair 2021-04-22- mobrien 16:12:16 i can do it on 04-29 16:12:40 * ComputerKid tentatively raises hand 16:12:51 dtometzki, should we wait till next meeting to see, we are 3 weeks in advance :D 16:13:02 ok 16:13:03 awesome to see so many folks stepping up. Love it. ;) 16:13:06 dtometzki, thank you :D 16:13:08 yesss 16:13:24 I also love doing these 16:13:53 #topic announcements and information 16:13:54 #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting 16:13:54 #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3 16:13:54 #info work is being done on getting COPR proper powerPC systems 16:14:00 anyone has something to announce? 16:14:17 nirik, i removed Beta freeze and AAA migration planning announcements (as they are done and dusted) 16:14:29 yep. thanks! 16:14:31 Is final freeze today? 16:14:42 #info outage later today for updates/reboots (starting at 19UTC) 16:14:54 #info final freeze starts next tuesday at 14UTC 16:14:54 Tuesday for final freeze right? 16:15:00 yep 16:15:04 Beat me to it 16:15:13 yep yep, I must be confused from Tuesday with Thursday :P 16:15:17 thank you both 16:15:34 #info tomorrow is a holiday in many parts of the world. People may be away 16:15:42 me also 16:15:48 (and monday in some cases) 16:15:56 yep 16:16:07 pffft holidays. I'll be online 16:16:24 I'll do some Ansible stuff but this is all 16:16:48 great 16:16:51 for me, as always I might well be around and happy to help if I am, but do not expect me to be. ;) 16:16:52 I'll be around tomorrow. I'm off work, so I can try to see if anything comes up on infra 16:17:13 haha, same! I will be mostly around tomorrow but no expectations :P 16:17:42 okay then, let's get going :) 16:17:59 waiting 30 seconds in case someone is typing a long announcement message :) 16:18:27 if I am going too fast, do say so :) 16:19:04 #topic Oncall 16:19:04 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall 16:19:10 #info siddharthvipul is on call for 2021-03-25 to 2021-04-01 16:19:10 #info nirik is on call for 2021-04-01 to 2021-04-08 16:19:10 #info dtometzki is on call for 2021-04-08 to 2021-04-15 16:19:12 .oncalltakeus 16:19:12 nirik: Kneel before zod! 16:19:31 we are looking for a volunteer to be oncall from 2021-04-15 to 2021-04-22 16:19:43 I can take this one 16:19:49 darknao, awesome, thank you 16:20:05 #info darknao is on call for 2021-04-15 to 2021-04-22 16:20:18 thanks darknao! 16:20:18 #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall ) 16:20:47 #info quiet week regardless of AAA migration. Got a ping for OTP reset but directed them towards ticket 16:20:58 that's all from me, any questions for me? 16:22:10 #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik] 16:22:11 #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios 16:22:22 nirik, you know what to do 16:22:23 :P 16:22:28 I think we are about where we were last week... lets see 16:23:08 there's 2 staging virthosts I rebooted last night that didn't come back up. We need to investigate that. I didn't have time last night 16:23:21 vmhost-x86-11.stg.iad2.fedoraproject.org and vmhost-x86-12.stg.iad2.fedoraproject.org 16:24:09 thats about it thats new. 16:24:20 after f34 is out and final freeze is over, we should try and clean everything up. 16:24:35 (although some of the down hosts are proving difficult to fix) 16:24:35 * siddharthvipul nods 16:24:48 thats all, we can move on. 16:25:02 nirik, can you describe the difficult to fix part? :) just curious 16:25:10 what kind of issues are those? 16:25:51 well, theres some aarch64 hw thats down that may just be dead, needs someone on-site to debug... 16:25:58 ahh 16:26:02 another set of aarch64 hw has a bad drive... 16:26:14 difficult indeed :( hardware issues sigh 16:26:15 but we have been going around and around with them about warentee support 16:26:32 so, yeah, usual hardware nightmares. ;( 16:26:42 thank you for the explanation nirik ^-^ 16:26:58 no problem, happy to explain anything I can. 16:27:10 #topic Learning topic discussion 16:27:11 #topic Ideas for upcoming learning topics 16:27:18 so we don't have any topic listed for today 16:27:27 Can someone volunteer for next ;) 16:28:36 So, I'm not the BEST person for it, but I'm willing to talk about the process of creating a badge. Unless someone more knowledgeable wanted to. I think I pushed like, 5 or something 16:28:50 interesting :D 16:28:53 ComputerKid: +1 16:28:58 :D 16:29:05 ComputerKid: Nice! 16:29:16 I'd be happy to give a talk on zodbot/bots... since I am doing a internal talk monday on it. 16:29:28 oh, awesome 16:29:28 That sounds interesting 16:29:53 nirik, indeed a good idea, looking forward to it :) 16:29:56 okay, I have an idea, how about I put nirik for 8th and ComputerKid for 15th? 16:29:57 nirik, good ideea 16:30:02 ComputerKid good idea! 16:30:18 I am thinking to finally align internal and this for once (we had been thinking about back in the days) 16:30:29 is that fine? nirik ComputerKid 16:30:36 Fine with me 16:30:49 ComputerKid: Will you be able to describe it on the IRC without showing anything? 16:31:05 I think so 16:31:14 Yeah, I will 16:31:31 * smooge gets out of other fires and realizes he missed a meeting 16:31:46 o/ 16:32:16 smooge, oh no, I hope the fire was not very exhausting (for some fires are bigger than others) 16:32:20 Nice, I saw one similar talk on Flock, looking forward to yours :-) 16:32:25 welcome :) though smooge 16:32:47 fine sorry. 16:32:50 #info "Zodbot/bots" on 8th April, 2021 16:32:50 #info "New fedora badge process" on 15th April, 2021 16:33:16 moving to open floor in 30 seconds :) 16:33:48 How much open the floor is? 16:33:54 #topic Open Floor 16:34:05 Zlopez[m], a lot, almost 50% of meeting time ;) 16:34:08 I have one 16:34:24 #info Fedora-infra Meeting time 16:34:36 so, turns out there is a conflict (thanks DST) 16:34:41 Option 1: Move the meeting to here permanently and update meeting invites 16:34:41 Option 2: Pull the meeting an early (or later) 16:34:45 We need to stop this DST nonsense :-D 16:34:47 do we see any other option? 16:35:02 Zlopez[m], hey, I agree! where do I give my vote :D 16:35:05 I'd say let just move it and keep it at the same time. 16:35:06 cancel timezones 16:35:22 sorry i have to the meeting a little bit earlier. Happy eastern for all 16:35:22 siddharthvipul: +1 16:35:25 Well, the standup is here too, so let's just put this meeting here too 16:35:28 leave 16:35:29 if we want to move time we should do a framadate or whatever 16:35:41 have a good weekend dtometzki! 16:35:55 dtometzki, no issues, thank you for attending \o 16:36:05 dtometzki: o/ 16:36:05 I don't mind the time, just was confused with the channel 16:36:36 As long as it's in fedocal it's fine with me 16:36:46 nirik, we can do a poll if you think that's fine.. in that case switching the meeting here seems easier ;P 16:37:13 yeah, just switching it here seems like a lot less work. ;) 16:37:35 haha, so anyone has any issues with this? say now :P 16:37:38 +1 for keeping it in this channel 16:37:40 if the channel stays the same each week I dont think it will be an issue 16:37:47 +2 16:37:54 great, so there will be a few action items 16:38:09 I can take the responsibility to contact smooge and get the meeting place updated 16:38:15 and udpating board 16:38:20 s/udpating/updating 16:38:30 do we think there are any more action items related to this?. 16:39:07 #action siddharthvipul to contact smooge and change meeting location to #fedora-meeting-3 same time and update agenda board accordingly 16:39:29 oh here is an item 16:40:09 siddharthvipul: I just have a quick suggestion, how about rolling out the message on the wiki or .., so newcomers can navigate easily? 16:40:10 Does zodbot takes info from fedocal? 16:40:12 I am going to be moving out of working on Fedora Infrastructure fulltime in 18 days. Should the meeting and such be put in the calendar with someone else? 16:40:26 Zlopez[m], yes, from fedocal 16:41:00 smooge, if you think it belongs to the same action item as last, I can do it.. but I also see benefit of it coming from a senior member 16:41:10 samyak-jn, good point, do we have a volunteer for this? 16:41:32 I can help with this, just point me in the right direction! 16:42:05 samyak-jn, okay, I will see some places where meeting locations are mentioned and can help you 16:42:05 siddharthvipul, understood. I have updated it for new entries I think 16:42:25 siddharthvipul, thanks! 16:42:35 #action siddharthvipul and samyak-jn to update wiki or relevant docs with new meeting location 16:43:10 nirik, can I action you to create new fedocal item? in case we want to change the meeting owner? since smooge is moving away :"( 16:43:23 smooge WOW! We will miss you. 16:43:31 I can do it too, but I already shared my concern/suggestion 16:44:11 I am trying to figure out how to make it organized by other people. It is currently organized by ralph 16:44:38 I can fix it sure... it's not a big deal. 16:44:46 awesome :D 16:44:53 smooge: yeah, you will be very missed. I hope your next adventure is awesome 16:44:57 #action nirik to fix fedocal entry for Fedora-Infra meeting 16:45:22 yeah sorry I will post something about it but not today as people don't take statements made today seriously 16:45:49 smooge, 1st of april, that's normal 16:45:51 smooge, AHAHAHA 16:46:00 * nirik sighs at hackmd's "april fools" So lame 16:46:14 smooge, is moving from Fedora-infra and Vipul has root access all machines 16:46:21 Happy April 1st everyone 16:46:50 nirik: hackmd has "april fools"? 16:47:07 open and look at the bottom :D 16:47:11 it's showing a flying cat on a bar at the bottom. 16:47:13 bwahaha I have corrected it 16:47:27 the calendar entry that is 16:47:33 smooge: XD 16:47:38 * nirik hates april fools. The jokes are all predicable or silly. It brings only annoyance. 16:47:53 agreed 16:48:01 nirik, I mean, what about RHEL stream joke? :P 16:48:01 I saw few that were good 16:48:20 meh 16:48:23 siddharthvipul, I have been living with the joke of Stream for a year now 16:48:23 Knome was a good joke 16:48:25 I liked it 16:48:30 Like Covid-19 restrictions on mapy.cz usage :-D 16:48:35 anyway BACK TO THIS MEETING 16:48:48 btw, smooge I went to a fancy tea store today to see the world of tea.. and I am $220 poorer now and 250g richer in tea 16:49:08 I saw Godot renamed to Godette today :-D 16:49:17 ooooh 250g richer for 220? You had better make sure that tea is street legal 16:49:35 smooge, agreed 16:49:37 smooge, white tea are extremely expensive.. I found out today 16:49:43 ah yes yes it is 16:49:48 siddharthvipul: oh nice, haha! 16:49:53 not that much 16:50:11 it can be in the place it is grown because they export most of it 16:50:22 * ComputerKid prefers the world of coffee 16:50:35 Will I be more rich if I don't drink tea? 16:50:37 bodanel, I agree, and after this, I won't be trying fancy tea anymore XD too expensive for me lol 16:50:47 lessons learned.. just because matcha is a powder.. don't snort it 16:50:54 ComputerKid, what kind of coffee you like? (I mean your brew method) 16:51:02 arabica 100% 16:51:11 freshly cooked 16:51:15 Zlopez[m], looks like it :) 16:51:19 smooge, mmm, that's a good advice (removes green lines of powder from desk) 16:51:22 Well I mostly drink French Press because I am cheap, but I would like to try some good drip sometime 16:51:40 s/drip/pour over 16:51:41 oops 16:51:48 Drip is gross 16:51:52 best coffee is in a kettle 16:51:54 * nirik has a superautomatica... beans in one hopper, water in the other, press button. 16:51:57 I am a big fan of aeropress, I have a nice v60 decanter but 9/10 times, I reach out to aeropress 16:52:14 so, I am working on getting fedora/* cloaks protected in our channels 16:52:31 nirik, the pace I was going with, I would have invested in one of those in a couple of years, but coffee has been giving me anxiety lately 16:52:35 nb: nice 16:52:38 but I have to work through getting zodbot changed since zodbot has fedora/bot/zodbot - protections can't overlap, and currently zodbot isp rotected on all of freenode 16:52:40 I want a Fedora hat to match my cloak nb 16:52:44 nb, what's protected in our channel means? 16:52:44 I'm drinking tap water most of the time, it's really good in my house 16:52:51 that way people with fedora/* cloaks don't get killed if they flood 16:52:57 like what happened to dtometzki earlier 16:53:00 oh amazing 16:53:10 I can flood now, do tell when you are all set :D 16:53:17 * smooge has taken up instant coffee 16:53:26 my machine is 4.5 years old now. Made a lot of coffee. 16:53:32 * nb remembers to decloak siddharthvipul 16:53:36 :) 16:53:42 nb, :V XD 16:53:45 ComputerKid you gotta get a job at red hat to get one of the Fedoras 16:53:50 Instant is bleh 16:53:55 siddharthvipul: you can flood, we already /ignore you :p 16:53:56 and is looking to switching to Robusta beans because that seems even more retro 16:54:00 nb, I got one at an event 16:54:04 They won't hire me nb, IDK why. They keep mentioning my age. 16:54:12 misc, :"( YOU DON"T HAVE TO SAY IT LOUD 16:54:15 hahaha 16:54:15 bodanel well, those are "european summer hat" or something 16:54:24 i think the employee fedoras are a little different 16:54:27 from what someone told me 16:54:31 NO, I have one like your's :) 16:54:43 bodanel I have no Red Hat 16:54:43 nb, yeah, it's different from what I have seen handouts in events 16:54:47 other than a Red Hat baseball hat 16:54:48 not felt like for employees 16:54:50 Though I do have a Red Hat baseball cap, so that's something 16:54:54 the guy taking the presentation gave me his for a smart question 16:55:00 bodanel oh wow! 16:55:14 ComputerKid, instant is bleh.. I have now reached an age where I am legally supposed to drink it and complain about you kids on my lawn 16:55:14 the strawhat vs the one using a real fabric, yeah 16:55:24 ComputerKid yeah, I think I have about 20 Red Hat baseball caps still 16:55:33 * samyak-jn have no redhat goodies, will get someone soon :) 16:55:34 smooge, with a news paper in hand I suppose 16:55:39 they were trying to get rid of them at LISA a few years ago, so Jen let me take a case home 16:55:43 s/someone/something 16:56:28 I can't wait to go to a Fedora/redhat related conference 16:56:28 i like baseball caps, they are practical 16:56:43 okay people, it's been a good open floor :) 16:56:45 I have one I take on long drives 16:56:46 ComputerKid: someday those might exist again... someday 16:56:49 bodanel: I don't see any use for them 16:56:53 I will close the meeting in 2 minutes if we don't have anything :) 16:57:06 depeneds on the lifestyle, I agree 16:57:13 ComputerKid Nest with Fedora will be virtual 16:57:16 is going to start rebooting things. 16:57:20 thanks siddharthvipul 16:57:22 ComputerKid but you could come to that even virtually :) 16:57:24 bodanel: Especially if you have them on your head backwards :-D 16:57:25 siddharthvipul: Do we have pink elephants ? 16:57:26 since I'm working in my backyard or on the long roads is useful 16:57:35 ComputerKid and SELF will be virtual again 16:57:39 I like mine for the sun. Also for the looks. I once had a guy see my Red Red Hat Hat and was like, what? 16:57:59 computerkid, nice 16:58:12 copperi_, I can wear pink in the next meeting to compensate for something :P 16:58:14 Turns out he was a Sysadmin 16:58:54 Thank you everyone for joining 16:58:57 Yeah, I'll be at Nest and SELF 16:59:06 I'm a volunteer at SELF 16:59:12 computerkid++ siddharthvipul++ bodanel++ copperi++ zlopez++ 16:59:13 nb: Karma for siddharthvipul1 changed to 17 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:59:16 nb: Karma for bodanel changed to 7 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:59:19 nb: Karma for copperi changed to 9 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:59:22 ComputerKid yeah, me too, I am staff there 16:59:33 cookies! 16:59:39 * siddharthvipul gets back to reading manga or sleep as some people do 16:59:41 nirik++ smooge++ samyak-jn 16:59:42 Thanks zodbot ;) 16:59:43 nb: Karma for kevin changed to 33 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:59:44 nirik++ smooge++ samyak-jn++ 16:59:45 nb++ 16:59:49 nb++ 16:59:49 siddharthvipul: Karma for nb changed to 15 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:59:52 ComputerKid++ 16:59:54 wait, did i really not give nirik karma yet this release? 17:00:02 Zodbot is dumb with my name 17:00:06 nirik++ I am sure I have, but can never be too sure 17:00:12 smooge++ 17:00:13 siddharthvipul: Karma for smooge changed to 19 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:00:14 I think computerkid++ might work 17:00:16 ComputerKid: You may not modify your own karma. 17:00:16 ComputerKid it's because you already got karma from me this release 17:00:19 computerkid++ 17:00:23 whaoooo, I didn't give to smooge 17:00:30 cookie party! 17:00:31 okay, ending meeting, we are out of itme 17:00:32 time* 17:00:35 nb++ smooge++ 17:00:35 nirik: Karma for nb changed to 16 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:00:35 #endmeeting