15:00:42 #startmeeting RELENG (2021-10-05) 15:00:42 Meeting started Tue Oct 5 15:00:42 2021 UTC. 15:00:42 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:42 The chair is jednorozec. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 15:00:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'releng_(2021-10-05)' 15:00:43 #meetingname releng 15:00:43 The meeting name has been set to 'releng' 15:00:43 #chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson pingou mboddu dustymabe ksinny jednorozec 15:00:43 Current chairs: dustymabe jednorozec ksinny mboddu nirik pbrobinson pingou sharkcz 15:00:49 Hello 15:00:49 #topic init process 15:00:55 morning 15:00:57 Hellou 15:00:58 .hello mohanboddu 15:00:59 mboddu: Something blew up, please try again 15:01:02 mboddu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 15:01:03 hello 15:07:44 mboddu, thanks for sending out the final freeze notice 15:07:51 jednorozec: no problem 15:09:13 #topic Fedora 35 final freeze 15:09:31 we are in the final freeze now so only packages with FBR are included in new composes 15:10:04 * nirik will be sending the infra freeze notice out after meetings this morning 15:11:06 release day is 2021-10-19 15:11:23 freeze will be lifted after the release 15:11:40 lets move on to the tickets 15:11:48 .releng 10326 15:11:49 jednorozec: Issue #10326: turn off fm-releng bot notifications in #fedora-releng - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10326 15:13:11 So I was first absolutely against it, but today I have missed a important message on the channel because of the bot 15:13:41 so, perhaps this could be replaced for interested folks with personal notification settings? 15:14:47 ha, notifs still has rules for 'mash started' 15:15:27 well, yes but I also think that messages from pungi.compose.status.change topic are relevant for releng channel 15:17:03 If its just aesthetics, I would prefer to leave them in there as they are super useful (for me at the least) 15:18:13 mboddu, all of the messages? 15:20:03 I personally dont need topic pagure.pull-request.comment.added 15:20:14 and by short look it makes a lot of buzz 15:20:29 because we are working so hard :) 15:20:59 pr's and commits for fedora-pungi are a lot of it. 15:21:04 but also upstream pungi 15:21:47 Not all of them, definitely compose related things and maybe releng, pungi-fedora, comps and kickstarts repo 15:21:56 and comps and kickstarts I guess 15:22:36 I dont know about the repo messages 15:23:11 I can see the reason for it, but on the other hand they make a lot of noise on the channel 15:23:45 I can be swayed for repo related things, but I definitely like the compose notifications 15:23:50 one thought was to move them all to another bot channel and interested folks could join there. 15:24:04 compose info is really important 15:24:26 All notifications in one channel or releng notifications to say #fedora-releng-notifications? 15:24:40 I wish there was a way to only show failed composes 15:25:09 mboddu: right... something like that... 15:25:16 well if we move it all to different channel we did not solve anything 15:25:18 If all of them going to one channel, then its not super useful, unless the user can configure it per channel 15:25:23 the noise is just in another channel 15:26:06 I really like compose info in #releng and think it is important to have it there 15:26:10 jednorozec: Maybe move them to notification channel for now and then filter the unnecessary stuff 15:26:26 jednorozec: sure we did. only those people who specifically want the noise join that channel. 15:27:00 but I dont want noise and want notifications :) 15:27:09 I think the thought is that bot noise drowns out users and actual discussion... but I am not sure how true that is for releng 15:28:31 it's easy to get notifs to pm you those too. 15:28:31 (at least I think so) 15:28:44 it is not 15:28:50 they are late or never 15:29:01 some of the events are musing: 15:29:10 amusing. 15:29:18 "New errata about updates being mashed " 15:29:32 heh 15:30:52 yeah, true, it has been delayed/unreliable. 15:30:53 So, leave the compose related stuff in releng channel and push the other notifications to bot channel? 15:31:11 +! 15:31:13 +1 15:31:53 For now, we can start with this, and if people are not using the bot channel a lot and/or if people are complaining about the compose notifs in releng channel, we can revisit, wdayt? 15:32:01 note that this will take a freeze break or waiting until after freeze 15:32:16 so, perhaps we just punt and revisit after freeze? 15:33:18 do we have after freeze tag? 15:33:28 nope 15:33:45 unfrozen? (at least in infra tracker) 15:35:05 I made it with desc. revisit after the freeze 15:35:55 and I see that notifs is stuck again. kicking it. 15:39:09 commented and tagged 15:39:54 #topic new Bodhi release in staging 15:40:20 SO we have deployed latest and greatest bodhi in staging 15:40:40 if you have time test it before we test it in production 15:40:40 Might need another release to pick up all the fixes wanted tho? 15:40:51 I dont think so 15:40:59 * jednorozec checks 15:41:27 ok there are 2 new PR's 15:41:34 I thought there was something that wasn't even implemented. 15:42:02 Maybe but there was a list of tickets that was urgent 15:42:06 most of it landed 15:42:09 but I have not looked closely at all. 15:43:14 But the point last week was mostly to actually lear how to do it 15:43:14 I need to check it as well, I wanted a fix for one of the signing issues 15:43:56 And as always there are some steps in the release process that we can simplify 15:44:21 * nirik nods. 15:44:55 is this needed in prod before final? updaing bodhi in freeze is a bit nerve wracking... 15:45:40 I am not sure 15:45:44 preferably not 15:47:16 I dont have anything else for today 15:47:26 yeah, if we can avoid it until after freeze that might be nice. 15:47:40 I have couple of stuff for open floor 15:47:47 #topic Open Floor 15:47:54 mboddu, stage is yours 15:47:56 * nirik had one FYI item 15:48:43 nirik: Go ahead 15:49:25 just FYI, I updated libmodulemd on mbs* and bodhi-backend01 to allow for 'new format' modules to compose/work... shouldn't be any doom, but just wanted to note it. 15:50:03 https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10249 has details 15:50:20 my question if people do not want the bot traffic why not in your client ignore the bot 15:50:47 We want some stuff that bot notifies 15:50:47 that way for the people that want that traffic can see it 15:51:07 But some people dont want all of it and some people want some of it 15:52:53 working notification service would solve a lot of this 15:52:58 til someone has time to split the traffic to other bots leave it alone 15:53:06 jednorozec: we can dream. :) 15:53:14 So, my updates 15:53:36 1. I will be OOO for the remaining day 15:54:07 2. RelEng freeze hasn't started at 14:00 UTC exactly, as there was an issue with the failed f35 compose 15:54:45 * nirik has another meeting in 5m 15:55:18 3. With that, https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/821 I will merge it now and will run the playbook in a min 15:55:38 4. I will be on PTO next Monday and maybe Tuesday too 15:56:11 mboddu, so what about this do we get it in before freeze? https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/pull-request/1053 15:57:53 jednorozec: I will leave it as is, since the related build is not stable anyway, there might be a FE for it and then we can merge when the builds goes to stable 15:58:21 +1 15:58:24 ack 15:58:29 we should land it, but only after thats stable 15:59:35 thanks for the updates 16:00:36 OS if that is all I will close this meeting 16:00:41 *So 16:00:45 thanks jednorozec 16:00:46 Nothing from me 16:00:49 Thanks jednorozec 16:00:52 #endmeeting\