21:06:08 <x3mboy> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing Team 21:06:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jun 10 21:06:08 2022 UTC. 21:06:08 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:06:08 <zodbot> The chair is x3mboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 21:06:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:06:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_team' 21:06:23 <x3mboy> #meetingname marketing 21:06:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing' 21:06:34 <x3mboy> #topic Agenda 21:06:39 <x3mboy> #info (1) Roll Call /Q&A 21:06:55 <x3mboy> #info (2) Define strategies (first meeting after renewal) 21:07:16 <x3mboy> #info (3) Ticket Triage 21:07:34 <x3mboy> #info (4) Open Floor 21:07:40 <x3mboy> #topic Roll Call / Q&A 21:07:44 <x3mboy> .hello2 21:07:45 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 21:08:04 <x3mboy> #chair Joseph Gayoso Isabella Gordillo 21:08:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: Gayoso Gordillo Isabella Joseph x3mboy 21:08:40 <x3mboy> How are you people? 21:09:00 <JosephGayoso[m]> FYI that I have a last minute thing happening at work so my attention will be a little split as I try to wrap this up. Of course it would happen today, lol. 21:09:13 <IsabellaGordillo> Doing well excited for it to be Friday 21:09:32 <IsabellaGordillo> How are you x3mboy 21:10:27 <x3mboy> I'm fine, in a very busy day too 21:10:42 <x3mboy> But very happy to have a meeting with a new mktg team 21:11:01 <x3mboy> #topic Define strategies (first meeting after renewal) 21:11:33 <x3mboy> Ok 21:11:41 <x3mboy> Let's make a little history 21:13:18 <x3mboy> The marketing team is responsible for several stuff in the release schedule 21:13:21 <x3mboy> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-marketing-tasks.html 21:13:40 <x3mboy> This stopped in F35, becuase, well, nobody was doing it 21:14:50 <x3mboy> From all the list, I rescue 3 things: Talking Points, Screenshots and Firefox bookmarks 21:15:38 <x3mboy> The last 2 are simple but consuming tasks, and I think we aren't ready to take them yet, and the first one requires a lot of commitment and being able to talk with the teams to see what's happening in each release 21:16:28 <x3mboy> Talking Points were a great idea, the marketing team collect them to be consumed by ambassadors 21:16:32 <x3mboy> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP#Talking_Points 21:17:14 <x3mboy> The idea was that Ambys were able to know what's going on in each release and be prepared to attend conferences and do talks, or have booths and talk about the latest release 21:17:55 <x3mboy> I think we can't do that right now, but please take it into account, because the idea is that we can retake or automate :wink: some of those 3 21:18:19 <x3mboy> The other part of the marketing, was doing marketing 21:18:39 <x3mboy> Create campaigns, identify users, opportunities and redirect them to the right part of the project 21:18:54 <x3mboy> The last marketing campaign I'm aware of, is Fedora <3 python 21:19:28 <x3mboy> #link https://fedoralovespython.org/ 21:19:57 <x3mboy> We need to do more like that, and I think you 2 are in the right track to do that 21:20:17 <x3mboy> Wdyt? 21:21:29 <IsabellaGordillo> Yes I really like the Fedora <3 Python campaign. I am happy to work on exciting campaigns like that 21:21:48 <JosephGayoso[m]> I think all of this is good stuff for us to be looking at. 21:22:25 <JosephGayoso[m]> Regarding talking points, I figured that the Fedora Magazine team kind of took that over because some from there is putting together the announcement posts with all the new things you can find in each release. 21:22:28 <JosephGayoso[m]> Is that not the case? 21:22:39 <x3mboy> Yes and no 21:22:45 <JosephGayoso[m]> I figured we would get with them to see how they've done it 21:22:47 <x3mboy> Beta announcement was done by me 21:23:27 <x3mboy> And it's supposed that the release announcement is done by mattdm based on the mktg feedback + FESCo and other parts 21:23:31 <x3mboy> Now I have no idea how is that done 21:24:01 <x3mboy> I got a very heavy and bad burnout, and retired quitely from the project (first time I said it out loud) for like 6 months 21:24:54 <JosephGayoso[m]> Gotcha, that's fair. I guess the way it could work is to put together a draft of the talking points as we understand it and put it in front of Matt, FESCo, and the community as a whole to see what we missed? 21:25:03 <x3mboy> So, no more mktg team. Happily the Fedora Project is great and big and count with amazing people that make things work while I wasn't here (before and after me) 21:25:26 <x3mboy> JosephGayoso[m]: This sound pretty good 21:26:22 <x3mboy> I thing a great starting point could be the changes proposal, does it make sense? 21:26:42 <JosephGayoso[m]> What's the changes proposal? 21:27:01 <JosephGayoso[m]> For the talking points, we could set a deadline a certain number of weeks out before the launch of F37 to have a draft. It should be around a time when we would know what will or won't be in the update. 21:27:28 <x3mboy> Glad you ask: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_policy/ 21:27:42 <x3mboy> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/37/ChangeSet 21:27:59 <x3mboy> The changes proposal are the changes that people propose to be included in each release 21:28:42 <x3mboy> Some got approved, some didn't get approved, some make them into the distro, and some don't 21:29:06 <JosephGayoso[m]> Ah, so if we track the change proposals, we'll know what is new in the distro by the end of the release cycle? 21:30:04 <x3mboy> Yes 21:30:09 <x3mboy> In the Engineering part, yes 21:31:10 <x3mboy> What can scape that? The design team stuff, like the wallpaper, the extra wallpapers, the theming (if changes on any spin, I think workstation scape that because they use gnome default - Adawita) 21:32:17 <x3mboy> So, let's create a tocket to discuss working on TP (Talking Points) for F37, are you agreed? 21:32:21 <x3mboy> s/agreed/agree/ 21:32:27 <JosephGayoso[m]> Sounds good. 21:32:49 <x3mboy> #action Joseph Gayoso will create a GitLab issue to work on TPs for F37 21:32:51 <x3mboy> :D 21:33:02 <x3mboy> That was fingercracy 21:33:18 <JosephGayoso[m]> Was I voluntold to do that? lol 21:33:31 <x3mboy> Yeah, you were 21:33:31 <x3mboy> :D 21:33:35 <x3mboy> So, let's do some ticket triage 21:33:52 <x3mboy> #topic Ticket Triage 21:34:05 <x3mboy> Just a little off topic 21:34:26 <x3mboy> All those # stuff are commands for zodbot to record logs and create a good minutes 21:34:46 <x3mboy> You will see at the end of the meeting, if you're not familiar with those 21:34:49 <x3mboy> Ok, so 21:34:59 <x3mboy> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues 21:35:15 <x3mboy> GitLab is being a little weird with the authentication 21:35:32 <x3mboy> Don't worry you won't need to learn git, everything is very web-y 21:36:36 <x3mboy> But to be able to log in, you will need to have an account, navigage to https://gitlab.com/fedora in gitLab an Authenticate using: https://gitlab.com/groups/fedora/-/saml/sso 21:37:00 <IsabellaGordillo> Quick question: Why are issues moving from pagure to gitlab? 21:37:03 <x3mboy> After that, you can go https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues 21:37:29 <x3mboy> Pagure is community maintained and it's being a little abandoned because of lack of man power 21:38:05 <x3mboy> Some features were missing and GitLab offers several stuff, kind of partner with the project and we moved 21:38:49 <JosephGayoso[m]> From what I understand, different teams are using different git repos. 21:39:19 <x3mboy> For the marketing team, and non-technical teams, pagure makes sense still, but at the beggining it was only me, and my modest i3 machine can't handle too many different tabs open 21:40:00 <x3mboy> So, I move everything to GitLab and discussion (It's incredible how many memory Gmail uses) 21:40:19 <x3mboy> Ok, first issue: 21:40:32 <x3mboy> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues/1 21:41:00 <x3mboy> This is a little research and writting, the last time I look at them, they look good, but we should try to keep it up to date 21:41:13 <JosephGayoso[m]> I had it on my list to this week... but I haven't yet, lol 21:42:34 <JosephGayoso[m]> I figure it can probably be updated every 6 months along with the release cycle for stable Fedora. 21:42:53 <JosephGayoso[m]> That's most likely what would end up on there any are details from the release. 21:42:57 <x3mboy> And or when something extraordinary happens 21:43:21 <JosephGayoso[m]> How do we track those extraordinary things? 21:44:21 <x3mboy> Well, asking 21:44:30 <x3mboy> e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Project#Governance this part is wildly outdated 21:45:22 <x3mboy> They are some mentions to FUDCons, that are not happening anymore, and mentions Flock (to be back soon), but it doesn't mention Nest and Hatch 21:46:50 <x3mboy> I think we can just be with the ears on (and by ears I mean eyes) on discussion 21:47:11 <x3mboy> Nothing happened on the hide, so by reading discussion we should be able to know what's happening 21:47:26 <x3mboy> e.g. Nest and latch are very well documented by @riecatnor 21:49:06 <JosephGayoso[m]> Maybe it's better to separate each Wikipedia article into it's own cadence of review? So every few months or so we check the main Fedora article for example to make sure it's up to date. Of course as of now they all have to get cleaned up probably, but I mean how can manage how often these are reviewed going forward? 21:49:32 <x3mboy> +1 21:49:35 <x3mboy> I llike that idea 21:49:40 <x3mboy> * I like that idea 21:49:47 <x3mboy> Isabella Gordillo: wdyt? 21:50:05 <IsabellaGordillo> +1 I agree as well 21:50:13 <x3mboy> Ok, so 21:50:30 <x3mboy> #action @x3mboy will separate the issue by article and put a cadence to review each one 21:50:38 <x3mboy> Well, we have 10 minutes left. So, the issues are in https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues, discussion is on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing, so I will mmove to open floor 21:50:48 <x3mboy> So we can discuss whatever is in your minds 21:50:54 <x3mboy> #topic Open Floor 21:51:02 <x3mboy> I'm very grateful with both of you 21:51:36 <x3mboy> I know is a slow start, not everything moves as we wanted too, but this is a resurrection 21:52:29 <IsabellaGordillo> I am very excited to join the team and help out as much as I can and we can hopefully create sustainability in the hopes of no one getting burnt out 21:52:32 <x3mboy> Joseph Gayoso++ 21:52:37 <x3mboy> Isabella Gordillo++ 21:52:57 <IsabellaGordillo> Does marketing take care of socials? 21:53:02 <x3mboy> Yes 21:53:03 <x3mboy> And no 21:53:09 <x3mboy> I mean, no but we should 21:53:14 <x3mboy> There is a social-media team 21:53:30 <x3mboy> That at some point nobody seems to know 21:53:51 <x3mboy> I know I have access to YT, to Twitter (both main and community) 21:53:59 <x3mboy> Not sure who have access to Instagram 21:54:21 <x3mboy> And there is someting important to discuss, we have a proposal to have a SOP on how to manage twitter 21:54:45 <JosephGayoso[m]> I asked in the Mindshare room about who should have access to which social media accounts and Vipul Siddharth sent me this link 21:54:50 <JosephGayoso[m]> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks 21:54:51 <x3mboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/social-media-plan/35933/27 21:55:04 <x3mboy> Yes, that is kind of up-ti-date 21:55:06 <x3mboy> s/ti/to/ 21:55:25 <x3mboy> Several people, mainly from mindshare and me try to keep it as much as we can 21:55:58 <x3mboy> Would you like to help on that front Isabella Gordillo ? 21:56:12 <JosephGayoso[m]> I broke down what I think we should kind do for socials in this post. 21:56:16 <JosephGayoso[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/reinvigorating-the-marketing-team/39260/9?u=joseph 21:56:24 <IsabellaGordillo> x3mboy: Yes id like to help with socials! 21:56:26 <x3mboy> I know Joseph Gayoso is going to help with YT 21:56:44 <x3mboy> Isabella Gordillo: Are you familiar with mastodon? 21:56:56 <JosephGayoso[m]> I can help with coordinating and writing, but not actually making the videos. There were other people volunteering to actually produce the videos. 21:57:08 <IsabellaGordillo> x3mboy: No I am not 21:57:11 <JosephGayoso[m]> I do think youtube is a different beast from the rest of the socials. 21:57:29 <x3mboy> Mastodon is a free, federated open social network like twitter 21:57:46 <x3mboy> We are working on put a prescence there 21:58:35 <x3mboy> But I would like you to read and contribute on this: https://hackmd.io/mA2cSFZaThq1tpKf8xeMSg 21:58:58 <x3mboy> This was written for the main persosn who have access to twitter 21:59:15 <x3mboy> And I would love that you can work on an strategy for Instagram, with the help of Marie 21:59:43 <IsabellaGordillo> Perfect, I will read, and work on strategies with Marie 21:59:49 <x3mboy> Great 22:00:04 <x3mboy> Please keep us updated here: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/social-media-plan/35933 22:00:06 <x3mboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/social-media-plan/35933 22:00:18 <IsabellaGordillo> Who do we have working on mastodon? because I do not see it on the wikipedia page 22:00:25 <x3mboy> And let's do it! 22:00:33 <IsabellaGordillo> wiki* 22:00:36 <x3mboy> I should work on it 22:00:38 <x3mboy> https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues/5 22:00:41 <x3mboy> #linkhttps://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues/5 22:00:46 <x3mboy> #link https://gitlab.com/fedora/marketing/marketing-planning/-/issues/5 22:01:08 <IsabellaGordillo> Ok 22:01:18 <x3mboy> But I'm waiting for the decission about having an instance or create it on one of the most known 22:01:25 <x3mboy> Like mastodon.social 22:02:01 <JosephGayoso[m]> If you make an instance, do you also have to host other people's accounts, or would it just be for an official Fedora account only? 22:02:03 <x3mboy> #action @x3mboy ask mattdm about creating the instance 22:02:19 <x3mboy> JosephGayoso[m]: That's up to you 22:02:48 <x3mboy> But because of the conversation I think the instance wouldn't allow creationg of public accounts 22:02:53 <JosephGayoso[m]> Wouldn't it cost money and manpower to maintain an instance the more other accounts are hosted on it. 22:03:13 <x3mboy> That's why is being delivered, 22:03:16 <x3mboy> Dirty money 22:03:34 <x3mboy> Ok, let's continue on out channel 22:04:12 <x3mboy> Thanks for coming, dont' gorget to give ++ to people who come and vote for me in the elections to the council position 22:04:13 <x3mboy> xD 22:04:20 <x3mboy> #endmeeting