17:06:54 <nirik> #startmeeting
17:07:01 <nirik> #meetingtopic Spins SIG
17:07:07 <nirik> #topic lzma
17:07:13 <nirik> go ahead. ;)
17:07:38 <nirik> #chair brunowolff kanarip
17:07:57 <brunowolff> The lzma squashfs update did not make it into 2.6.31 in either of the first two rc's, so it probably won't be in until 2.6.32.
17:08:34 <nirik> thats too bad. ;(
17:08:35 <brunowolff> I'll keep an eye on it, but we can't count on having more space on live images for F12.
17:08:52 <nirik> I don't suppose fedora kernel folks would be willing to take it as a patch?
17:09:48 <brunowolff> I haven't seen the patch show up anywhere yet. Phillip Lougher claimed to be working on it and had hoped to make it in the 2.6.31
17:09:56 <brunowolff> merge window but didn't.
17:10:28 <brunowolff> If I see it show up in kernel next or something, I add that to the bug and hope we can get it early.
17:11:00 <brunowolff> The timing is such that F12 will probably release with 2.6.31, though 2.6.32 will be releasing around the same time.
17:11:02 <nirik> ok, sounds good. How much space does that save? or hard to say?
17:11:24 <brunowolff> I have seem claims of around 20% better than gzip.
17:11:54 <brunowolff> I haven't tried it on a live image so I don't know how good it is.
17:12:18 <brunowolff> But for the games spin that would be really nice. I could put nexuiz back on.
17:13:11 <brunowolff> I don't know if it will require any changes to livecd-creator. It's possible there will be an option to mksquashfs to use
17:13:23 <brunowolff> different types of compression.
17:13:46 <brunowolff> Other than that the images that are close to the media limits will just benefit.
17:14:07 <nirik> yeah
17:15:02 <brunowolff> karanip wanted to change the name of the incomplete category. It seemed reasonable, but without his say so, I don't
17:15:12 <brunowolff> want to go make the actual changes.
17:15:48 <nirik> should we go via the agenda? or just wait for kanarip ?
17:16:42 <brunowolff> I suspect that kanarip either isn't going to attend today or is off by an hour and will show up in about 45 minutes.
17:17:22 <brunowolff> The exact name to change to seemed to be in question, so we probably need to wait for him to do anything for that item,
17:17:29 <Southern_Gentlem> (have not seen him today, so i suspect work has him busy)
17:17:31 <brunowolff> other than to say it seems OK?
17:17:56 <brunowolff> We really need to have a meeting time that is good for kanarip.
17:18:10 <brunowolff> But without him here, it's hard to set one up.
17:18:17 * nirik nods. ;(
17:19:22 <brunowolff> I'll note that we didn't object to the rename of the category, so that he can do it or ask one of us to do it based on email.
17:19:48 <nirik> yeah, rename is fine with me.
17:20:50 <brunowolff> We still need process documents for discontinued spins and recurring spins. We talked about recurring last week.
17:21:37 <brunowolff> I might get a chance to do some draft for that. I don't think the process should be too complicated and is at least partitially
17:21:51 <brunowolff> documented, just not where the link points to.
17:22:02 <alistrone_> what about this channel is?
17:22:31 <nirik> FYI, I have a list of changes I am going to land in the Xfce spin soon... shouldn't be anything major, but just mentioning.
17:22:36 <brunowolff> We dididn't talk about discontinued previously. That I think is mostly updating the wiki to indicate it was available, but won't
17:22:57 <nirik> alistrone_: this is a meeting channel. This is the Spins special interest group meeting, talking about fedora spins.
17:23:18 <brunowolff> be in later releases. And probably dropping the kickstart file from the spins-kickstart package.
17:24:14 <brunowolff> I'll see if I can write up a proposal. With the discontinued, the main issue is probably when to go in and make the changes.
17:25:34 <brunowolff> About the only other thing on the list that I see as being doable right now, is getting an OK to adjust the wiki links to members.
17:26:01 <brunowolff> The links use the old style FirstLast link instead of User:user links.
17:26:10 <brunowolff> Is there any reason not to fix that?
17:26:46 <nirik> not that I can think of.
17:27:06 <brunowolff> OK. I'll do that when I get a chance.
17:27:36 <brunowolff> Do what to talk about anything else from the proposed agenda?
17:28:26 * nirik looks at it.
17:28:55 <brunowolff> If not I am interested in knowing how to get the log from the bot? I'd like to link to or include the output in the meeting.
17:29:00 <nirik> we are not too very far from feature freeze, so we need to deal with any new spins very soon.
17:29:09 <nirik> brunowolff: it will provide a link at the end. ;)
17:29:15 <brunowolff> I'll also email a summary to the spins sig list.
17:29:49 <nirik> dual arch could be nice. Do we know anyone working on that support?
17:30:12 <brunowolff> Someone was playing with it, which is why I mentioned it.
17:30:32 <brunowolff> For some spins it would make things too large.
17:30:56 <nirik> yeah, but they could go to dvd instead of cd?
17:31:04 <brunowolff> For myself, I'd like a dual arch rescue image.
17:31:11 <brunowolff> But I think that's outside of this groups area.
17:31:40 <brunowolff> Yes, the CD images would all be double as dual arch DVD images.
17:31:51 <brunowolff> The games spin isn't going to be dual arch though.
17:32:36 <brunowolff> There are also costs to providing them as people will be downloading twice the size with half wasted in many cases.
17:32:43 <nirik> true.
17:33:08 <brunowolff> So it wouldn't be something to replace the normal images.
17:33:42 <brunowolff> I think you'd want there to be something special about the image that made it desireable.
17:34:42 <brunowolff> I think it's handy to have one rescue image that I can use on either arch. But for myself, I don't think there is a lot of
17:34:57 <brunowolff> benefit for it to the other spins. But others might feel differently.
17:35:43 <brunowolff> If we went to the x86-64 for kernel, but not user space. Then it would become a lot more practical.
17:36:02 <brunowolff> But it doesn't look like that is happening for F12.
17:36:06 <nirik> yeah.
17:37:25 <brunowolff> Back to the bot; is there a Fedora Wiki page on using it for meetings?
17:38:00 <brunowolff> Or can I assume it's available and just read the bot's project web page?
17:39:52 <nirik> yeah, there is a wiki page for the plugin... just a sec and I can dig it up.
17:40:06 <nirik> should we close the meeting then and discuss the rest on the list?
17:40:28 <brunowolff> I am done with topics unless kanarip shows up.
17:40:39 <nirik> yeah.
17:40:44 <nirik> #endmeeting