05:01:03 #startmeeting 05:01:47 hi 05:01:52 #meetingtopic Fedora i18n Meeting 05:02:03 hi tagoh3 05:02:37 #topic attendees 05:03:03 Hi juhp. 05:03:08 hi 05:04:01 hi 05:04:12 hi 05:05:38 ok 05:06:13 #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-07-07 05:07:00 hi 05:07:01 not too much agenda today 05:07:11 hi jni_ and asgeirf 05:07:29 hi juhp 05:07:52 hi :) 05:08:24 hi 05:08:36 cool 05:09:52 #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin 05:10:05 well not too much to update on the yum plugin 05:10:32 unfortunately been rather busy with other stuff but finally submitted it to feature-wrangler now... 05:11:03 and hope to find some time this week to create the meta packages and hack a little on the python plugin 05:11:35 then that moves along will submit the package and plugin for review... 05:12:05 for the record there has been some discussion on it last week on anaconda-devel list 05:12:25 let me see if I can pull out an url first :) 05:12:30 juhp: what's the relationship between the yum-plugin-langpack and -support? 05:13:07 https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2009-July/msg00003.html 05:13:59 dingyichen: the yum groups you mean? 05:14:10 juhp: yes 05:14:21 dingyichen: well for a start that is where the metapackages would/will live 05:14:41 but the plugin may not use yum groups 05:14:53 though that is also an alternative for now 05:15:18 dingyichen: if you want to make the question more specific? :) 05:15:53 dingyichen: I haven't played with the python code in a while so need to revisit that soon 05:17:34 ok let's move on then 05:17:42 #topic IPA fonts 05:17:44 juhp: whether is the language preference being installed? 05:17:47 Sure. 05:18:01 dingyichen: language preference? 05:18:29 On the time when user install the language support? 05:18:39 dingyichen: so to clarify maybe - if you install lang X you will get langpack-support-X installed 05:18:56 as in as at install time 05:19:15 does it answer? 05:19:46 I already talked a bit to tagoh3 about the ipa fonts change in f12 05:20:08 and I think the fonts are nice... 05:20:48 the only issue that comes up is still the interesting difference between gothic and pgothic (and similarly for mincho probably) 05:21:00 juhp: sure - though we didn't have any conclusions about the font size issue? 05:21:05 right 05:21:08 that too 05:22:01 so currently (in Live etc) pgothic is default I think 05:22:06 tagoh3: any more thoughts on that? 05:23:13 juhp: well, for UI font, proportional should looks better than fixed size generally. 05:23:41 right 05:24:09 so need to scale up a bit to keep similar look? 05:24:35 maybe yeah - so scale up both fonts? 05:24:43 or all even 05:24:50 if necessary 05:25:10 not sure though how it will affect the spacing around the glyphs? 05:25:11 need more testing I suppose 05:25:15 ok 05:25:18 right 05:26:25 ok - just thought I would bring it up here too for the attention of more people 05:27:04 #topic bugs corner 05:27:14 ok not actually on the agenda... 05:27:32 I noticed today there are quite a lot of bugs in NEW 05:27:49 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&bug_status=NEW&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com 05:28:02 might be better if we had UNVERIFIED or something but anyway 05:28:26 89 currently after I moved the red ones to assigned ;) 05:29:16 a lot of them aren't our bugs of course but good to move our own bugs to assigned after accepting them 05:31:52 ok hm I seen to have a lot of ibus-anthy bugs on that list ;) 05:32:09 :) 05:32:16 anyone have any bugs they want to discuss? :) 05:32:21 tagoh3: thanks 05:32:44 Hmm, so in that case, yum-plugin-language should be either installed with group-language support, or before that. Otherwise nothing being recorded. 05:33:03 About lang-pack. :-) 05:33:37 dingyichen: well the metapackages will require the plugin 05:34:09 maybe better to explain by example 05:34:29 juhp: Thanks, another 2 quick questions: 05:34:46 1. Need rpms be changed? 05:34:46 User does a chinese install of fedora: will get langpack-support-zh/chinese installed 05:35:08 dingyichen: now at this stage - or no such plans currently 05:36:14 wondering about the naming if it is better to use locale like naming 05:36:23 s/now/not/ 05:36:24 2. Any naming guideline? 05:36:39 juhp: what about %_install_langs as brought up on the list? 05:37:17 dingyichen: I mentioned it in the feature briefly - I don't think we may enforce it for f12 - perhaps -langpack- 05:37:31 tagoh3: what about it? :) 05:38:00 I think it is a bad idea 05:38:11 aha 05:38:34 but yeah in the longer term tighter rpm integration would be better 05:38:35 not sure what exactly it's supposed to do 05:39:05 tagoh3: well it allows one to restriction the installed translation langs 05:39:10 %lang 05:39:21 but if preparing any facilities to package the lang specific things to the separate package automatically, it would be nice 05:39:28 so would make sense for firefox ;o) 05:39:57 I am wishing that firefox might agree to langpacks if this feature works well 05:40:08 fedora firefox I think 05:40:17 depending on the maintainer to get it working properly would messes up the feature 05:40:40 %lang? 05:40:59 or need to pay attentions and more works to be done. 05:41:17 juhp: or whatever 05:41:22 tagoh3: right in the long run having rpm able to auto-subpackage langs would be good 05:42:04 there was some talk about this in debian quite a while back - but I haven't followed their progress 05:42:07 anyone know? 05:42:24 I think they were calling them .tdeb's iirc 05:42:45 anyway it is non-trivial out of f12 scope I would say 05:43:23 http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/ 05:45:01 anything else? 05:45:17 #topic open 05:46:48 otherwise we'll close the meeting shortly :) 05:47:53 thanks for the meeting everyone! 05:48:15 #endmeeting