20:14:22 #startmeeting 20:14:35 #chair liknus 20:14:44 ok nice heffer 20:14:51 lets start with a rollcall 20:14:56 #chair wonderer 20:14:57 #topic Rollcall 20:15:08 Pierros Papadeas 20:15:15 Sandro Mathys 20:15:17 .fas kital 20:15:27 Sebastian Dziallas 20:15:37 Sven Lankes 20:15:38 lala, am I too late for the emea meeting? -_- 20:15:45 sorry, I forgot, I was playing with computers .. 20:15:47 Felix Kaechele 20:15:49 * wonderer_ Henrik Heigl 20:15:54 Dominic Hopf 20:15:55 FabianAffolter 20:16:02 is this English :) 20:16:12 Yader Veláquez 20:16:14 Ph 20:16:18 Ahmed El Gamil 20:16:35 Ok guys, today's meeting is mainly about logistics and swag, but lets stick to the agenda and let Joerg make any additional remarks :) 20:16:40 Alexander Chalikiopoulos 20:16:55 liknus, set the topic with #topic you topic goes here 20:17:04 ok heffer :) 20:17:42 joerg is there anything on mentoring? 20:17:56 yes 20:18:22 we moved from the old ticket system after one year and 1109 tickets to the new onw 20:18:24 one 20:18:48 now we all can follow the mentoring and approval process at every time 20:18:57 https://fedorahosted.org/fama/report/6 20:19:22 mentoring turns out to be as effective as expected 20:19:24 eof 20:19:26 Nicely done kital :) 20:19:50 Lets move on upcoming events 20:19:57 #upcoming events on EMEA 20:20:04 #topic upcoming events on EMEA 20:20:18 FrOSCon is coming up Aug. 22 - 23 20:20:23 HAR is even sooner 20:20:41 bout the HAR.. 20:20:43 let me check the dates 20:20:49 13-16 aug 20:20:56 is there anything that is needed in particular? 20:20:59 but I'll be there some days before 20:21:12 well, some shwag would be nice ofcourse 20:21:30 where do ypu live dreamer? 20:21:41 F11 cd/dvd's for installment, but maybe loupgaroublond and I can fix a couple of usb-sticks to install with 20:21:53 liknus: Wageningen, just like loupgaroublond and pingou 20:22:10 pingou: you are not going to HAR right? 20:22:27 liknus: check out https://wiki.har2009.org/page/HackersonaBike we started that as well ;) 20:22:47 nice initiative :) 20:23:02 anyway, loup and I are each going to bring a partytent and make our own private lecture/hacker-space from that 20:23:26 maybe some local ambassadors have some leftovers on swag... 20:23:28 something big with Fedora on it would be really good. I don't know if there are any large banners circling around 20:23:41 possibly Max 20:23:59 we should really get a proper eventbox for EMEA though, but that has been discussed many times already ;) 20:24:08 ill let him know, and he'll contact you (if not already did) 20:24:31 the EMEA box is a topic for todays meeting..we ll come to that 20:24:33 I hope to get a working projector and bring that with me as wel, then we can give a lecture or 2 during the event 20:24:36 ok! 20:24:52 hi 20:24:59 So ill inform Max in the HAR issue :) 20:25:05 emea meeting still on ? 20:25:10 right on :) 20:25:11 moving to the next event :) 20:25:25 ok, any spare swag would be sweet, I can't think of any particulars from the top of my head though 20:25:35 Froscon 20:25:38 okay so for froscon we already have people bringing CDs and DVDs 20:25:38 maybe loupgaroublond has some points, but I guess he's drinking beer with a friend ;) 20:25:48 Pedro Silva, Fedora Ambassador Portugal 20:25:56 Is anyone here attending FrosCon? 20:26:01 however there I or the other attendants don't have any other swag they could bring 20:26:07 d3vice, welcome onboard 20:26:18 the froscon wiki page is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrOSCon_2009 20:26:20 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrOSCon_2009 20:26:43 dmaphy is attending froscon 20:26:47 I'm the event owner 20:26:55 indeed :) 20:27:07 red_alert will also be there 20:27:09 I could possibly send you 200 buttons 20:27:16 by mail 20:27:20 that would be great 20:27:53 heffer, send me an email with your postal address so as we could see on the P&P issues.. 20:28:09 what I'm especially concerned about is the decoration of the booth. are there banners available that can be used to decorate the booth? 20:28:26 if we don't have banners available i could possibly print some 20:28:33 heffer, there are some here in Greece but ill have to see the postal expenses 20:28:48 heffer: my guess is ask max or gerold if you could have the ones from LinuxTag. They are very nice. 20:29:06 i think that would be easier than sending them from greece 20:29:17 heffer: if we have a banner for HAR I could send it to you after the event perhaps 20:29:30 wonderer_, heffer i think neither of them will go to FrOScon.. 20:29:40 dreamer, thats a nice idea 20:29:54 I'm not sure of loup will go to there either, he already went to germany this month ;) 20:30:03 but if Gerold or kital has a banner they could send it within Germany 20:30:06 maybe kanarip will attend, not sure 20:30:09 liknus: maybe, but the banners are anywhere near one of the both ;-) ... or at kitals "Eventmobil" ... 20:30:19 boo 20:30:19 should be cheaper than sending stuff from the netherlands or greece 20:30:30 hey kanarip ;) 20:30:31 kanarip: welcome. 20:30:35 the "kital" idea sound nice 20:30:41 Badges, medals and pens would be nice too 20:30:47 kanarip, were you thinking about attending FrOSCon? 20:30:48 kital, ? 20:30:53 * kital can send a banner 20:31:13 wasn't planning on it yet, but when and where is froscon? 20:31:15 DigitalFlux, badges=buttons and ill handle it :) 20:31:22 #action liknus sends 200 buttons to heffer 20:31:31 22-23 Aug 20:31:37 kanarip: see froscon.de 20:31:37 kanarip, August 22 - 23 near Bonn, Germany 20:31:50 #action kital sends a banner for FrOSCon to heffer 20:31:53 kanarip: too bad you are not going to HAR, but loup said you don't like camping ;) 20:32:10 ok, is anything else on FrOScon? 20:32:11 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrOSCon_2009 20:32:19 dreamer, i did not say either of these things 20:32:24 i got one thing 20:32:39 heffer: 20:32:51 kanarip: hehe, I think he deducted that you like expensive hotelrooms too much to like camping ;) 20:33:04 the hotel rooms that are subsidized by froscon are completely booked on friday Aug. 22. i managed to get 2 double rooms for that night 20:33:28 i assigned them to jenskuehnel, red_alert, mariobehling and dmaphy 20:33:47 because those are the people i have notice of already. 20:33:59 on saturday we can have more rooms 20:34:06 So there is a need for how many more? 20:34:17 however the guy from FrOSCon wants to know about it by tomorrow 20:34:26 if there are more people attending then yes 20:34:42 currently i will sleep at home for that friday then 20:34:44 heffer, have you got anyone in mind? 20:34:45 do you think your current list on the wiki is complete or will more people join in ? 20:35:10 liknus, Robert Lazzurs has made an entry to the Wikipage however all mails to his account bounce 20:35:27 i think that more people are likely to join in 20:35:28 * killefiz is also going to attend froscon but I'm going to sleep @home 20:35:55 however the guys from froscon didn't give any information for ages and now they want all information from me like tomorrow... 20:36:12 I guess we could contact them 20:36:26 so i'll just note that there are no subsidized rooms for fridays anymore 20:36:29 heffer, to get some extra time like 2 days 20:37:21 That sould be enough time for Robert to contact us and finalize our list 20:37:27 robert lazzurs is also the guy who had a talk scheduled for fudcon but wasn't there in the end (and didn't tell anyone in advance) 20:37:28 What do you think? 20:38:00 red_alert, we assume he'll repeat it ? :D 20:38:01 yes i'll just tell the guy from froscon which people definitely need a room and then contact him later for additional rooms 20:38:17 liknus, i didn't hear anything from him yet 20:38:29 #action heffer contacts FrOScon guys for additional rooms 20:38:35 maybe he doesn't even exist :) 20:38:52 liknus: well, what happened during fudcon plus that mails to his fp.o email address bounce doesn't make him very trustworthy 20:38:54 heffer, thats a chance :) 20:39:11 he exists, he had a talk during FOSDEM in our dev room 20:39:17 red_alert, i suggest we give him an extra chance :) 20:39:57 and a friendly bounce on that issues too :) 20:40:09 So, ok bout FrOScon? 20:40:18 from my side yes 20:40:34 +1 20:40:40 nice :) 20:42:06 so moving on, we are done with the events i guess 20:43:12 #topic Status of EMEA swag 20:43:12 Now on EMEA swag 20:43:36 I think we should create a wiki page on the status of various swag so as anyone can contact a nearby Fedora fellow for various swag 20:43:54 maybe a swag map :) 20:44:09 liknus: good idea, maybe make out a couple of zones 20:44:11 Thats something that could and up in a coordination that could result to an EMEA Event box 20:44:15 i would like some fedora swag, but i have no event to attend/present 20:44:28 Any ideas on that? 20:44:51 someone should really find out what postal-costs are around EMEA, especially for the EventBox that would be good to know 20:45:12 i think i could do some research and set something up 20:45:21 because maybe in the long run 2 or 3 boxes would be better than one that gets shipped all over the place 20:46:11 I think between germany, benelux and france 1 would already barely be enough, there are quite some events throughout the year at least 20:46:24 anyone? 20:46:53 is there a page that states what should be in that box? 20:47:06 heffer, there is one for the NA one 20:47:32 because i only will own my first event this august so i don't really have the experience to say what an event-owner needs :) 20:47:36 but i think that the concept is not what is "inside" but the box itself 20:47:38 is the NA one very different of what we in EMEA pretend? 20:47:47 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox 20:47:48 but I'll definitely take notes 20:48:01 d3vice, well the plugs need to be european i guess :) 20:48:09 eh :) 20:48:14 d3vice, not at all but different event need diferent swag 20:48:22 sure 20:49:01 for example a dev event do not need much CDs as a user based event... 20:49:08 I think some basics like cd's stickers, buttons, a banner 20:49:32 at least, and if someone has the box and a large amount of swag, they can put some extra in the box 20:49:35 So anyone volunteering on the creation of a swag EMEA status page? (or even contradicting the idea?) 20:49:35 let it grow ;) 20:49:48 +1 20:50:01 ! Yaakov has this task from FUDCon 20:50:18 I think it's a good idea, I hear people having stashes of swag quite frequently, but it would be nice to know who has what and especially has spare swag to send around 20:50:19 dreamer, there are some limitations on the size of the box, or else the P&P costs raise much 20:50:30 liknus: true, size and weight ofcourse 20:50:39 kanarip do you know about a report about event box? 20:51:04 ok, i think i can make a starting page for starters :) 20:51:06 * kanarip points to biertie 20:51:12 the plan is that we get a shipping account by Yaakov 20:51:18 we've been keeping notes on his laptop 20:51:23 i think we need to create a table defining postal costs between countries for the EventBox 20:51:32 i just remember you typed 20:51:41 DigitalFlux, thats not sth fixed 20:52:05 Shall we seperate & clarify the topics here? :) 20:52:27 The one issue is the *current* status of swag 20:52:48 The other being the future event Box and shipping of various swag 20:53:03 On the first one are we clear on the wiki page? 20:53:16 I think so 20:53:22 checking .. 20:53:57 #action Liknus creates a wiki page on current Status of EMEA swag 20:54:26 nice :) 20:54:45 ! 20:55:00 On that i want to mention that i have 1000 buttons here :) So anyone in need till September shall say it now :) 20:55:04 kital, just go on :) 20:55:05 kital, 20:55:44 just to clarify the process if you need swag for your event create a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco 20:55:59 well, I don't know how many buttons we'd need for HAR, if we want them that is ;) 20:56:10 eof 20:56:15 but anywhere between 10 and 100 would probably be nice :) 20:56:15 thanks kital 20:56:30 Okay, i get the idea now, sorry first time for me her, a newbie :) 20:56:35 kital, thanks for remembering that! ill add it to the page as a note 20:56:47 DigitalFlux, no need for worries :) 20:57:02 dreamer, ill arrange it 20:57:19 kital: but, is the ticket system only for new swag? or also to get swag from people that have way too much, like liknus ? 20:57:37 it is event related 20:57:57 you know what you need and we try to help you 20:58:21 or give you the money to produce your own 20:58:21 dreamer, i am afraid there is no way famsco can know about how many leftovers are there...thats why we create the wiki page i think. right kital? 20:58:25 ok, I'll discuss with Yaakov and biertie on what we think we need for the event and create a ticket this week 20:58:44 liknus: yes ok, so the trac is just to document the needs for specific events 20:58:54 it is worth a try 20:59:00 right dreamer :) 20:59:14 kital, we'll do our best :) 20:59:25 Now, on the Event Box issue 20:59:27 i think keeping track of what swag is where is essential 20:59:50 the name say it - if you need to keep track on something use trac 20:59:55 heffer, indeed 21:00:23 why not create a fedorahosted instance emeaswag? 21:00:28 kital, trac wiki or tickets ? 21:00:40 kital: instead of wiki? 21:01:04 yes 21:01:05 kital i cannot handle it... you think it will be easily managed? 21:01:15 d3vice, this is what i was pointing to, wiki pages is sufficient, no ? 21:01:29 +1 21:01:39 i dont know, trac tracks, wiki has history 21:01:59 trac has also a history 21:02:06 ok 21:02:09 d3vice, also accounts are needed for trac or not? 21:02:18 i cann't seem to imagine how trac can "track" the swag 21:02:18 liknus, it uses FAS 21:02:19 wiki is probably easier for many ambassadors to review, I personally have 0 experience with trac 21:02:21 and if you ever get lost on the event wiki page you know what i mean 21:02:25 dunno, doenst it use fas? 21:02:29 heffer, thnks 21:02:59 ping fabian_a 21:03:02 if we are going for the wiki, then tables can do it efficiently 21:03:14 how is that going to be done in trac ? 21:03:19 kital, poorly designed wiki pages are not to blame the whole wiki process :) 21:03:25 hehe 21:03:28 :) 21:03:34 kital: pong 21:04:07 hy stickster 21:04:10 fabian_a: setting up a trac instance for our purpose would take how long 21:04:12 ? 21:04:35 i think fedorahosted automates that 21:04:47 may be time is needed for setting components and stuff like that 21:04:53 kital: are you talking about a new project at fedorahosted? 21:04:58 yes 21:05:23 kitel: not very long, maybe a day or two 21:05:41 can you handle it fabian_a ? 21:06:10 liknus: i can do that 21:06:19 just to give an idea 21:06:21 https://fedorahosted.org/fama/ticket/35 21:06:39 this is how we customized fama for the membership process 21:06:57 the design team moved also from wiki to trac 21:07:05 a few weeks ago 21:07:14 Ok, shall we give it a try too? 21:07:21 you can vote 21:07:40 i do not want to talk people into something but i thing it is the cleaner way 21:07:44 I personally am a bit rulectant, but if the people working on it are confident, then so am I :) 21:07:45 +1 for me (just trying something new sounds great) 21:07:47 i think so too 21:07:58 +1 21:08:05 +1 21:08:08 +1 21:08:28 #agreed Create a Fedorahosted Project for tracking Swag 21:08:31 ok, i think it passed :D 21:08:38 tracking EMEA swag 21:08:42 +1 (looks cool, but needs some customization to completely fit the needs) 21:08:45 'undo 21:08:47 #undo 21:08:52 d3vice, good point! 21:08:55 #agreed Create a Fedorahosted Project for tracking EMEA Swag 21:09:11 hey i like that bot :D 21:09:17 if it works in the end :D 21:09:24 me too :) 21:09:24 hehe 21:09:25 heffer, it looks realy nice :) 21:09:26 fabian_a: thanks for taking the task to reguest the instance for EMEA 21:09:28 swag 21:09:56 ? 21:09:57 thank you fabian_a 21:09:58 Anything more on that? 21:10:00 i volunteer to customize the fields 21:10:15 when it's set up 21:10:28 nice kital :) 21:10:43 fabian_a 21:10:46 #action fabian_a requests a Trac instance to track EMEA swag 21:11:02 #action kital customizes the fields of the new trac instance 21:11:28 is it only for emea, right? 21:11:37 right fabian_a 21:12:16 Moving on to EMEA box... 21:12:28 ! 21:12:33 kital, 21:12:52 can we skip that until we have the log from fudcon session to this topic 21:13:10 kital, maybe thats just nice 21:13:10 +1 don't duplicate work 21:13:32 #topic EMEA Event box 21:13:45 everyone okay with skipping this topic? 21:13:58 i think much of the NA box suits EMEA needs 21:14:23 apart from EU ppowerplugs and something else we forget 21:14:31 Maybe we could discuss it next week on a flash meeting on that and on discussing possible quotes on mass production of swags 21:14:48 #agreed Topic of EMEA Event Box will be discussed as soon as we have logs from FUDCon on that topic 21:14:53 is that okay with everyone? 21:14:57 +1 21:14:57 +1 21:15:00 +1 21:15:03 +1 21:15:09 +1 21:15:14 okay then that is agreeed :D 21:15:22 hehe, sure 21:15:29 but, what logs are we talking about? 21:15:39 a previous #fedora-meeting discussion? 21:15:50 An discussion during FUDCON 21:16:12 ah ok 21:16:26 someone transcribed it? 21:16:37 yes bierti 21:16:48 ah, nice 21:16:55 hehe, and he just went offline ;) 21:17:29 nevermind, :) shall we move to the next topic? 21:17:37 ok guys - late for me - i have to go 21:17:39 +1 21:17:46 cu later 21:17:46 bye kital 21:17:52 ciao 21:17:52 bye kital 21:17:55 what other topics do we have? 21:18:01 T-shirt design 21:18:10 ah 21:18:13 #topic T-shirts design EMEA 21:18:30 Now, any ideas on that? 21:18:33 I have some old I <3 fedora shirts here that yaakov didn't want .. they are really ugly .. 21:18:45 so we want specific EMEA T-shirts? 21:18:57 or just fedora shirts produced by emea? 21:18:58 There always the possibility for Release specific ones but those are short-lived 21:19:01 i'd love some new stylish Fedora tshirts 21:19:13 dreamer we could consider both possibilities 21:19:13 +1 for release specifics 21:19:20 maybe agree on a "standard" EMEA T-Shirt 21:19:38 and if we produce them for all of EMEA we could produce in high volumes 21:19:53 dont like the idea of emea tshirt, goes against the "unity" factor of fedora IMHO 21:20:02 hmm, +1 21:20:03 heffer, surely that would be easier for costs 21:20:13 I'm not sure how and why you can stand out as EMEA 21:20:20 d3vice, thats not so strict 21:20:48 Maybe the EMEA sign could be just small... 21:21:03 is there an EMEA sign? 21:21:16 EMEA letters i mean :) 21:21:43 ok, hehe 21:22:03 have to come back ;) - dreamer there is a general https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/PoloShirt 21:22:04 maybe we should contact design team on that 21:22:10 some other open source project printed the Signs of user groups at the right hand of the t-shirt 21:22:22 maybe we can produce blue t-shirts 21:22:25 and the rest of the t-shirt is the same 21:22:39 why have "EMEA" at all on the shirt? Why just a nice Design wich can "transformed" also e.g. for NA, LATAM, etc. if wanted... 21:22:49 kital, i think thats something we all have :D (fortunately) 21:23:05 I think those polo's are pretty good as well .. way better than the white 'I <3 fedora' ones anyway 21:23:35 Lets not only think about events. There is also everyday usage 21:23:49 Polo-shirt is not very usable 21:23:56 it's not? 21:23:57 dreamer, i agree 21:24:04 wonderer_, thats a good idea 21:24:12 why not back t-shirts with big fedora logo in the center 21:24:24 s/back/black 21:24:33 liknus: good point. the Ambassador polos are good for Events. But not on all Events, meetings, etc. such a Polo is suitable ;-) 21:24:34 We can surely contact design team on the EMEA, NA, LATAM design think 21:24:47 I don't think EMEA, NA or LATAM on a t-shirt/polo adds anything to it really, it might be nice for big international events, but not for everyday or general use 21:24:50 and EMEA sign on the right side mat be 21:25:28 so no release specific aka memorabilia? ;) 21:25:29 dreamer, a small region sign would be discreet and nice one :) 21:25:47 well maybe, but that would be 2nd to the overal design ;) 21:25:48 d3vice, thats something world-Fedora-wide 21:26:07 ok 21:26:08 what do you think about the "Fedora Splatter" on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt 21:26:08 i think design team has already a Release specific one 21:27:01 Ok . lets round it up 21:27:20 1) we want new shirts 21:27:36 2 )We should contact design team for the possibility of EMEA, NA, LATAM thing,,, 21:28:22 that splatter is so cool ! 21:28:26 it is 21:28:27 3) We need to see the economics on the production.. Partially funded ones?, fully user paid? etc.... 21:29:03 So we need to also contact Max on that too.. 21:29:04 liknus: I think we could only speak for EMEA here ;-) but you can file a Design Ticket and ask the others if they want to join. I e.g. did not know the Shirts Latam have right now ;-) 21:29:21 liknus, could you add this points as #info to the bot? 21:29:39 if we as EMEA want to order shirt we can look for companies that produce in large quantities 21:30:09 #info Thoughts on T-Shirt EMEA production 21:30:13 * DigitalFlux is wondering, are EMEA ambassadors that few or they just don't attend meetings :) 21:30:16 or, we could start a shop on spreadshirt to upload design to, but then people have to order from that, which would be economically a disadvantage 21:30:27 #info 1) we want new shirts 21:30:39 maybe if we had (soon ?) the FedShop we could sell those over this shop and fedora users (like Ambassadors) could get it a bit cheaper... 21:30:40 heffer, is this the format needed ? :S 21:31:13 liknus, well otherwise it will not be explicitly logged in the minutes i think 21:31:17