21:08:29 <kanarip> #startmeeting Spins SIG
21:08:40 <kanarip> #topic Ovirt Node Spin
21:09:37 <nirik> we are past feature freeze, can we do anything here? or just ask them to submit early in the next cycle?
21:09:51 <kanarip> the ovirt node spin is in our queue but by the looks of it i'm inclined to not approve it
21:10:01 * sdziallas is here for spins sig meeting
21:10:30 <kanarip> we can do tech. review, they can do trademark approval, and then they can do a Fedora Remix spin branded Fedora, but it'll not be part of the F-12 release
21:10:57 <kanarip> #link Ovirt Node Spin kickstart: http://huff.fedorapeople.org/ovirt-node-recipe.ks
21:11:19 <kanarip> 1) it includes repos outside of fedora
21:11:38 * maxamillion is here - sorry for being late
21:11:46 <maxamillion> nirik: thanks again for the reminder :)
21:11:53 <nirik> no worries.
21:12:33 <kanarip> 2) it "fixes" files from /sbin/dhclient-script
21:13:38 <kanarip> 3) it removes rpms by rpm -e --nodeps
21:14:06 <kanarip> 4) it removes kernel modules from the filesystem (from the installed kernel rpm)
21:14:40 <nirik> yeah, all those sound like no go. ;( Can we provide that feedback to them and ask them to resubmit next cycle then?
21:14:41 <kanarip> 5) it manually removes libraries (boost, krb)
21:15:54 <kanarip> they can resubmit when they want but we can just not include it in F-12 at this point
21:16:03 * skvidal shudders at rpm -e --nodeps
21:16:12 <kanarip> "include it" being make it part of the release
21:16:16 <nirik> right.
21:16:47 <kanarip> we might ship it in custom-kickstarts if we think the kickstart is technically sound but at this point i don't think it is
21:17:25 <kanarip> can i get some +1's on making the appropriate recommendations to the maintainer (huff) and have them resubmit it?
21:17:52 <kanarip> skvidal, yeah? why? ;-)
21:18:03 * kanarip ducks
21:18:04 <nirik> +1 here.
21:18:08 * skvidal stabs
21:18:08 * sdziallas agrees with these points... +1.
21:18:14 <kanarip> +1 from me too
21:18:39 <kanarip> maxamillion, you wanna have a say in this?
21:19:26 <maxamillion> +1
21:19:32 <maxamillion> sorry, trying to do meeting and $dayjob
21:19:44 <kanarip> ok, that's a wrap ;-)
21:19:59 <kanarip> #agreed oVirt Node Spin not technically approved
21:20:17 <kanarip> #action kanarip to make some suggestions to the spin maintainer(s) of the oVirt Node Spin
21:20:26 <kanarip> i also move to vote that we're going to use this to extend the guidelines with, no matter how obvious they already seem to be
21:21:01 <maxamillion> +1, I think further clarification is never a bad thing
21:21:03 <nirik> yes, that sounds good.
21:21:21 <kanarip> don't have a draft, but let's explicitly mention we do not accept kickstarts that invite skvidal to stab anyone anymore, for example
21:21:30 <kanarip> ;-)
21:21:31 <skvidal> haha
21:21:34 <skvidal> nice
21:22:16 <kanarip> ok so i'll work on some spin guidelines keeping skvidal out of jail then
21:22:59 <kanarip> #action kanarip to work on some spin guidelines concerning the technical aspects of the oVirt Node Spin such as rpm -e --nodeps 2>/dev/null etc.
21:24:30 <kanarip> if there's nothing else, then that's about it for this meeting?
21:24:38 <nirik> I have a few quick items. ;)
21:24:44 <kanarip> sure
21:24:50 <kanarip> #chair nirik
21:25:02 * sdziallas would like to talk education spin, too
21:25:04 <nirik> I am working on a nightly spins script on spins1. I just need to get it into puppet, etc soon.
21:25:24 <nirik> I did get a weird error just now on the games and electronics spins...
21:25:37 <nirik> : Failed to parse kickstart file '/var/tmp/spin-kickstarts/fedora-livedvd-electronic-lab.ks' : A partition with the mountpoint / has already been defined.
21:25:46 <kanarip> uh oh
21:25:47 <nirik> any ideas on that one?
21:25:51 <maxamillion> I'm not able to spin today, I'm trying to compose rawhide on a rawhide box and it keeps failing not able to pull repodata
21:26:03 <maxamillion> oh wow ... that's an odd one
21:26:21 <nirik> anyhow, I hope to have it setup later this week and doing them every time rawhide updates.
21:26:27 <kanarip> yes... in previous releases of pykickstart slash livecd-tools, we had made it so that livecd-tools would get the last "part /" kickstart command
21:26:46 <kanarip> it seems maybe that now pykickstart blocks the "part /" from occurring twice
21:27:14 <nirik> that was basically the error on the dvd sized ones.
21:27:33 <nirik> anyhow, thats all I had just wanted to mention it.
21:28:03 <kanarip> i guess that everything that overrides the "part /" kickstart command from either fedora-live-base.ks or anything else they include gets this error
21:28:14 <kanarip> that's basically elabs and games
21:28:44 <nirik> yep
21:29:15 <kanarip> so that's a pykickstart regression from our perspective but i'm sure pykickstart's upstream will disagree ;-)
21:29:43 <kanarip> let's log a bug and contact clumens see what he thinks
21:30:01 <kanarip> nirik, sound ok?
21:30:23 <nirik> sure. Do you want to do that since you understand the issue? or would you like me to try?
21:30:24 <kanarip> (btw, /me is not getting these errors with revisor)
21:30:53 <kanarip> i bet i can reproduce it, so i can log the bug just as easily
21:31:07 <kanarip> #action kanarip to log a bug on duplicate part / errors
21:31:15 <nirik> thanks.
21:31:32 <kanarip> anything else nirik ?
21:31:58 <nirik> not off hand. Oh, I have been bugging cwickert to check in the lxde ks... so we can start testing it as well.
21:32:02 <nirik> nothing else here.
21:32:10 <kanarip> alright
21:32:15 <kanarip> sdziallas, take it away sir!
21:32:34 <kanarip> #topic Education Spin (CD or not CD, that's the question)
21:32:47 <sdziallas> I was just wondering if we've any... latitude about getting a dvd-sized spin.
21:33:06 <sdziallas> Or more specifically, who'd be the right one to talk to about restricting that.
21:33:30 <kanarip> let's see what we have now
21:33:47 <kanarip> we have elabs and games
21:34:00 <kanarip> (as dvd sized)
21:34:20 <sdziallas> kanarip: if it's a matter of size (infra-wise, we wouldn't go over 2 GB or so, I guess)
21:34:23 <kanarip> i do not remember a limit being mentioned any lower then three, and i couldn't find anything last week
21:34:52 <nirik> is the question a matter of disk resources? or ?
21:35:35 <kanarip> i'm not sure what the exact limit was but i think it had to do with the amount of data to be pushed out to testers on alpha/beta/rc1/rc2 as well as the preseeding of torrent seeds
21:35:51 <kanarip> but don't pin me down on either of those please
21:36:11 <nirik> who imposed the limit? infrastructure? who can we ask? :)
21:36:19 * sdziallas won't try to get kanarip in jail ;)
21:36:29 <kanarip> like i said this was mentioned, but not set as a hard limit
21:37:03 <sdziallas> kanarip: so it's more a "do we really need to test the limits"?
21:37:05 <kanarip> "this and that amount of DVD and this and that amount of CDs and we might want to start thinking about (...)"
21:37:10 <kanarip> like that
21:37:58 <kanarip> anyway let's not make a bug deal out of it as, like i said, i do not recall a DVD-sized spin limit of any lower then three and we do have only 2 right now
21:38:13 <kanarip> nirik, fwiw, afaik the lxde kickstart is in git under custom/
21:38:25 <kanarip> nirik, dunno if i have pushed that out to the main repo though
21:38:50 <nirik> ah, ok. It should be in the main spins now though right?
21:39:43 <kanarip> it's not trademark approved yet
21:39:47 <kanarip> or actually...
21:39:49 <kanarip> bingo!
21:39:52 <nirik> yeah, it should be.
21:39:56 <kanarip> it is, by silence of the board
21:40:06 <nirik> at least if stickster_afk was right about the 'no objection after 72 hours'
21:40:17 <kanarip> #action kanarip to move lxde spin kickstart to main instead of custom
21:41:09 * kanarip grabs his notepad
21:41:43 <kanarip> ok i'm writing down what all i need to do tomorrow
21:42:20 <kanarip> ok, so, the vote is; can the education spin have it's precious DVD?
21:42:24 <kanarip> +1 from me ;-)
21:42:32 * nirik uses xfce4-notes-plugin for that. ;)
21:42:49 <nirik> +1 from me if they need it... I guess it would need to rename the ks to dvd instead of cd?
21:42:49 <kanarip> nirik, i like *offline* input devices
21:43:06 <nirik> offline? whats that? :)
21:43:06 <kanarip> xfce4-notes-plugin would be an *output* device
21:43:16 * sdziallas is somehow biased :) (obvious +1 if it counts, if not... heh.)
21:43:23 <kanarip> nirik, that too, renaming the kickstart
21:43:47 <sdziallas> nirik: I've a modified kickstart file basically ready, just need to push (and rename then) again...
21:43:58 <nirik> cool.
21:45:55 * sdziallas needs to switch machines and will do so tonight...
21:46:01 <kanarip> nirik, seems i have not yet pushed the changes into the git repo upstream so i'll do that tomorrow too
21:46:09 <nirik> ok, sounds good.
21:46:43 <kanarip> #agreed Education Spin => DVD sized spin
21:46:48 <kanarip> ok, anything else?
21:47:30 <sdziallas> :) thanks
21:47:37 <kanarip> if not, /me closes the meeting in 5
21:47:57 <kanarip> sdziallas, if you push the changes/updated kickstart i can do the work to rename stuff etc.
21:48:57 <sdziallas> kanarip: ah, okay... (give me, um, 5 minutes)
21:49:19 <kanarip> sdziallas, sure, i'll be working on it tomorrow
21:49:41 <kanarip> (lousy internet connection here, i have to tunnel my IRC through that firewall i luckily have ssh access to)
21:49:45 <sdziallas> kanarip: okay, I'll have it ready by then
21:49:51 <sdziallas> oh :)
21:50:04 <kanarip> awesome
21:50:12 <kanarip> closing meeting in 3?
21:50:21 <kanarip> 2?
21:50:28 <kanarip> sorry, clock drift
21:51:22 <kanarip> 1?
21:51:27 <kanarip> ok we're done ;-)
21:51:33 <kanarip> thank you all for attending!
21:51:37 <kanarip> #endmeeting