20:01:24 #startmeeting 20:01:30 * ianweller 20:01:36 * stickster 20:01:38 It's that time of week again. Roll call! 20:01:40 tee hee silly me. i have this meeting on google calendar an hour late 20:01:40 * EvilBob 20:01:49 * mizmo ! 20:01:59 * lcafiero ... 20:02:06 gnome will not let me have two clock applets so I don't even try to make meetings 20:02:42 Okeydokey! 20:02:46 Do we have any new folks here today? 20:02:55 the game plan, in general, is threefold: 20:03:06 (1) I give a quick update on how we're doing in terms of keeping up with tasks 20:03:17 (2) we go through whatever's listed on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda 20:03:21 * mizmo points at dufflebag as a new person 20:03:23 (3) open discussion floor - and if we're done, we'll end early 20:03:26 hey dufflebag, welcome! 20:03:37 hey whats going on? im martin 20:03:46 lol 20:03:46 (if this is your first meeting, you can interrupt *anytime* with *anything*, btw. ;) 20:03:48 hey martin! 20:04:03 *thumbs up* 20:04:15 * stickster high-fives dufflebag 20:04:16 * quaid lurks 20:04:18 haha 20:04:19 sooo, (1) = Mel is a little behind this week; see https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/1 for active tickets 20:04:21 so i can't interrupt if i'm an old fart? 20:04:29 ianweller: get off my lawn 20:04:31 ianweller: No, sit down and shut up 20:04:33 ianweller: you can interrupt, we'll just ignore you :P 20:04:36 lol 20:04:46 wow this is the funnest meeting ive ever been to 20:04:46 lol 20:04:51 dufflebag: welcome to fedora :) 20:05:03 We're here all week, try the roast beef 20:05:08 LOL 20:05:18 Basically, we're a *tiny* bit behind our original schedule 20:05:31 (by which I mean "I'm a slacker and didn't give ianweller the FI roadmap yet," and "someone needs to pick up talking points selection" 20:05:32 ) 20:05:51 However, the alpha release date is pushed back a week, so we are now ahead of schedule by something like 5 days. 20:05:52 slacker 20:06:00 ianweller: yeah yeah. 20:06:12 ianweller: Long story, will fill you in later... 20:06:20 hehe 20:06:44 So if you can pick up either of the two open tasks on https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/1 - I'll add some more that have come up this week tonight, and send a call to the mailing list for help - please do. 20:06:51 20:06:57 any questions on our status towards Alpha Happiness? 20:07:23 ...ok! 20:07:41 mchua: I still can not commit to any large tasks, but will jump on little stuff if the timing is right. 20:08:20 mchua: I can help with the Talking Points. 20:08:24 EvilBob: Well, a small (but urgent) one this week is "look at the feature list that was frozen for f12, and pick and rank the top 10 (in your opinion) that should be talking points" 20:08:36 EvilBob: that should at least get the discussion started 20:08:53 I'd like to have the final list settled by next week. 20:08:55 I wrote up the original list a while back, and I think they need to be fleshed out at this point -- not to mention which, some other features have entered the list at the last moment. 20:09:19 Fleshing out isn't hard, but I need to take another look at the overall list to see if something new and compelling jumps out. 20:09:32 mchua: Does that jibe with your master plan? 20:09:37 stickster: SIR YES SIR 20:09:49 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_talking_points 20:10:01 stickster: thanks for the Link 20:10:29 stickster: what do you propose as a next step then? you look at list, EvilBob makes a list, both lists get thrown to marketing mailing list, merged, and frozen at next week's meeting? 20:10:42 mchua: We can just do it straight on the wiki 20:10:51 wiki++ 20:11:05 Anyone interested in talking points can watch the page to see how it changes... if anyone doesn't know how to do that, let me or mchua know 20:11:05 the wiki czar approves 20:11:16 #action stickster to take a first pass through talking points list on the wiki 20:11:28 #agreed talking points list will be frozen next week so we can start writing 20:12:12 Ok. Maybe this is a good time to move to (2), which is "topics on the agenda" - namely, the Fedora 12 alpha readiness meeting coming up next week. 20:12:39 The other thing I wanted to be sure to bring up is to welcome our new folks (hi, dufflebag) and find someone to take them under their wing for this week and help them through their first few contributions. 20:12:50 All these things being quite related. 20:13:19 Alpha readiness is a chance to take a look at how we're doing milestone-wise with our schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule 20:13:42 (which looks good, but in case anyone has questions or comments on it, now is the time to start talking) 20:13:51 i'll be dufflebag's wingman 20:13:56 er wingwoman? 20:14:02 winged one 20:14:03 haha 20:14:06 mizmo: woo! 20:14:21 is anyone working on things towards F12 alpha that they would like some help with? 20:14:36 dufflebag: would you like to say a little bit about the kinds of things you're interested in doing/learning/helping-with? 20:14:52 mchua: If there's anyone looking for something to do that involves writing -- I may have an idea, but it's not purely Marketing related 20:15:02 * stickster shuts up and gets out of dufflebag's way 20:15:10 well mo was telling me and i think it would be fun to try the 'i do fedora' blurbs? 20:15:17 woo!!! 20:15:19 WOO! 20:15:23 * mchua was thinking of exactly that 20:15:26 *ahem* WOOOO!!!! 20:15:32 lol woo! 20:15:36 :) dufflebag has experience doing cool shiz with fedora like inkscape bitmap tracing 20:15:36 whooooo whoooooooooooooooo 20:15:42 catchy, ain't it? 20:15:44 oh boy it's a woowoo train in here 20:15:49 haha 20:16:02 We're like six year olds, only with more disposable income. 20:16:13 well, for some of us, that's more like six year olds too. 20:16:21 * mchua wants disposable income! 20:16:21 lulz 20:16:35 dufflebag: so, something like https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 ? 20:16:39 * ianweller pushes everyone back on topic :) 20:16:45 (thanks for filing that btw, stickster 20:16:56 mchua: As promised, thanks for cuing me to do so 20:17:04 Child Labor: Keeping Fedora Young 20:17:04 yeah id like to do that! i claim this ticket... for ... spain! 20:17:28 dufflebag: yay! go ahead and claim the ticket, then - it's yours! 20:17:47 and it sounds like mizmo is your wingperson for "what the heck should this become" if you have questions 20:17:51 I'm also around if you need anything 20:17:58 awesome! 20:18:01 sounds good! 20:18:04 anyone else interested in being around as a sounding board for dufflebag as he works through #12? 20:18:20 * stickster is always around in some form or another 20:18:27 (though in general, dufflebag, if you ask a question in #fedora-mktg, *someone* will pop up and attempt to be helpful) 20:18:28 (or at least amusing) 20:18:42 lol okay cool 20:18:45 I am always in -mktg and mostly available most of the time 20:18:52 I'm usually there 20:19:15 dufflebag: if you have a moment after the meeting, we can sit in #fedora-mktg and make sure you're all good with IRC and Trac and the wiki (for starters) 20:19:23 dufflebag: looks like you've got a lot of help :) 20:19:29 #action dufflebag has taken https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/12 20:19:31 haha yeah i got help in here before i was too dumb to translate UTC into EST and i was here at like noon 20:19:36 * mchua grins 20:19:54 * ianweller is, as we speak, writing a doc on how to add a UTC timestamp to the gnome panel 20:20:07 ianweller: thank you 20:20:19 There was one other new person who was going to try to make today's meeting, but it doesn't look like Chaitanya is here today 20:21:01 However, Chaitanya does want to get started with volunteering, so if anyone has a task that needs a minion, email me (mel at redhat) and I will start that email dialogue. 20:21:28 Whoo. I feel like I'm talking too much today. Any questions, thoughts on what's going on, anybody want to give an update on what they're doing? 20:21:52 * ianweller hasn othing 20:21:54 * ianweller has typos 20:22:06 (I'm working on FI, so ianweller will have something to do - the roadmap is http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/fi-whiteboard.jpg and needs to be wikified.) 20:22:41 i don't think i've not had anything to do since about a month after i started in fedora 20:22:44 :P 20:22:48 mchua: ok 20:22:48 Ah, does someone know if docs is writing a press release for Alpha? 20:23:06 moixs: I know sparks emailed about it 20:23:16 I'll contact him then 20:23:16 moixs: I think a thread started 20:23:33 * mchua looks for thread 20:23:53 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00100.html 20:23:55 #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00100.html 20:24:38 Sparks wants it done by Friday, and John McDonough offered to help but can't take point, so it looks like that is where that stands right now. 20:25:03 I'll look with quaid, I already worked with him on these kinds of announcements 20:25:17 are we doing a press kit for f12? 20:25:25 Yes 20:25:30 and if so,because we dont really have a beta, is it going to be of alpha? 20:25:31 * stickster points out that this one doesn't require a lot of creativity. Much can be cribbed from the F11-Alpha. 20:25:45 mizmo: no, only for the final version 20:26:05 oh okay 20:26:11 stickster: yeah pretty much practice for the real deal in the past 20:26:19 ok, so moixs - can you check with quaid and Sparks and McDonough and make sure the release notes, or some shiny version of them, gets pushed to the NDN when it's ready? 20:26:29 mizmo: it's a task somewhere, scheduled for pre-release 20:26:38 mchua: exactly 20:26:49 mizmo: my calendar says "Update the press kits 2009-09-29 2009-10-06" 20:26:59 * mchua needs to ask poelcat to start sending upcoming milestones to the mktg list also 20:26:59 ah okay thanks moixs 20:27:23 #action moixs to check with quaid and Sparks and McDonough and make sure the release notes, or some shiny version of them, gets pushed to the NDN when it's ready 20:27:35 #action mchua to ask poelcat to start sending milestones to mktg list as well 20:27:46 okay i added that ticket all set! 20:27:49 Yay! 20:28:14 I think that right now things are a little slow as we gear up, but next week's meeting should be pretty much on fire because the Alpha Readiness meeting will be next Wednesday 20:28:17 * spevack is here now -- was on the phone w/ his boss 20:28:23 and then after that, things will take off (even more) 20:28:32 so dufflebag, hope you're ready for a wild ride ;) 20:28:37 spevack: this is obviously more important 20:28:41 hellz yeah 20:29:01 mchua: There's an ICS version of that calendar as well 20:29:07 Let me see if I have a link handy 20:29:09 ianweller: clearly! 20:29:43 stickster: ooo, handy! thanks! 20:29:45 That's all I've got, really - my big agenda item for today was "get new people on board," and dufflebag seems to be doing quite nicely. Next week is where the heavy hittin' will be happening, right before Alpha Readiness. 20:29:51 Any other thoughts from anyone? 20:30:01 oh i have a question 20:30:04 dufflebag: go go go! 20:30:17 I have a question about local marketing, My LUG always times InstallFests to follow Fedora releases, is there any money available for the likes of a newspaper ad? Can artwork for something like that be created as part of a marketing kit? 20:30:31 in the instruction wiki on the thing im doing (to explain how the blurb, example fun thing is done) what kind of language should that be done? 20:30:34 more technical/casual? 20:30:39 mchua: OK, that doesn't exist yet, sorry I lied. Maybe because the wiki schedule hasn't been turned into Poelstra's TJ data yet? 20:31:01 stickster: Probably. I'll ask about it when i ask about the scheduling. 20:31:09 dufflebag: There's a good example here: 20:31:11 stickster, spevack: I believe EvilBob 's question is for you ^^ 20:31:19 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png 20:31:31 stickster: he's asking about the full blown wiki instructions tho 20:31:40 of which, im not sure we have good examples 20:31:40 Oh,oh, oh 20:31:45 yeah like the "hre's how you can do it" type thing 20:31:53 EvilBob: I can always dig up a few bucks for an interesting opportunity, if the Design Team can make something that looks cool! :) 20:31:54 here 20:31:56 dufflebag: i think you can assume they are already running fedora 20:31:57 It should be fairly casual, dufflebag 20:32:09 gotca, cool 20:32:09 EvilBob: (We can certainly make an installfest marketing kit, though - can you file a ticket requesting that one be made, and give whatever details/deadlines you need? https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket. 20:32:16 mizmo: +1, and it should be something they can do in the default Live environment/installation 20:32:18 dufflebag: and write it as if you were explaining it to a non-technical, windows or os x using friend 20:32:31 stickster: oh so we couldn't do something like stellarium? can it involve installing an app? 20:32:35 EvilBob: As for installfest 20:32:44 inkscape doesn't come in the default install either :( not sure about cheese :( 20:33:19 EvilBob: Max is the money man, I'm not sure how we've treated advertisements in the past. They tend to be more expensive than the general event itself in some cases, but of course details would probably decide it 20:33:36 If it was $50 for an ad for a $150 release party, that wouldn't be tough I think. 20:33:57 $250 for an ad for a $100 release party might be different 20:34:04 * stickster won't speak for Max or FAMSCo here though 20:34:16 mizmo: I suppose we could reconsider that... 20:34:25 we've never tried it, and i'm all for experimentation every now and then 20:34:25 mizmo: I was really hoping for things you can do out of the box 20:34:51 spevack: EvilBob: How would we measure the effectiveness of the spend? 20:34:52 stickster: where can dufflebag get a list of the apps that come out of the box? 20:34:53 I will check on costs and such as an example 20:34:56 mizmo: cheese is in the default install 20:35:05 stickster: if 300 people show up instead of 25 :) 20:35:23 could i just use a live cd or something and restrict myself to the programs on that? 20:35:32 #action EvilBob to check on costs for a newspaper ad for an installfest, file "installfest marketing kit" ticket with details at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket 20:35:37 is that what you mean with out of the box? 20:35:37 dufflebag: i think stuff is getting dropped in f12 though. e.g, gimp is getting dropped off the live cd 20:35:40 We would target the local Colleges and Business Schools 20:35:42 spevack: Aha! But what if 300 were going to show up *anyway*?!? (I kid, I kid) 20:35:43 dufflebag: that is what we mean out of the box though 20:35:45 ahhh 20:36:06 mizmo: I'm running a Rawhide Live image on my other system right now 20:36:12 mizmo: so like a full-install of fedora 12? 20:36:15 dufflebag: i heard though that gthumb or eye of gnome (image viewing apps) have some basic photo editing tools, maybe you could do a 'remove the red eye' project 20:36:19 stickster: for $50 or $100, I'd say "let's just see what happens". Before we did a lot of this, I'd say "let's have some serious way of evaluating success" 20:36:25 Yup 20:36:28 spevack: Right on 20:36:37 dufflebag: no it's just a live media disc of the 'desktop' version. a full install would be... gig upon gig upon gig. :) 20:36:48 I will check on ads for several venues along those lines, school papers and general population 20:36:53 dufflebag: last i knew an 'everything' ISO fit on one blu-ray disc 20:36:57 dufflebag: the live media are hand-picked applications stuffed to fit into 700mb so they can be burned to CD... all of fedora is much bigger than that 20:37:25 dufflebag: 'live media' means you can run it striaght off the disc without installing 20:37:55 mizmo: oh right right but for the purposes of what like apps should be used for writing the blurbs... restricted with whats on the media install or the full on and installed operating system? 20:37:57 stickster: is your rawhide live image clean without anything installed on top? if so can you send me an rpm -qa of it? 20:38:00 mizmo: dufflebag: Some things I see off the bat... taking a screenshot, some games included (aisleriot, iagno, mines, same gnome, sudoku), gThumb, Empathy (talk to friends!), firefox, bittorrent client, abiword, evolution, sound-juicer, disc burner, cheese, totem, rhythmbox 20:38:01 EvilBob: Sounds great. Any idea how far in advance you'd need the funding/materials/whatever it is you need for your installfest? 20:38:06 mizmo: Sure 20:38:28 * mchua loves the parallel discussions going on in here 20:38:29 dufflebag: i think you should try your best to work just with the apps that run straight off the disc without installing 20:38:43 oh okay excellent, no prob. thenm 20:38:45 then* 20:39:20 dufflebag: stickster is gonna get a list of apps on it spit out so you'll know what you're constrained too. ill see if i can find you a download link to the rawhide live media too so you can burn your own and run it 20:39:55 mchua: I would think a couple weeks 20:40:30 mchua: we never need funds for a location, we use the local library for meeting rooms 20:40:35 mizmo: Should be at your inbox any time now 20:40:56 dufflebag: hm, maybe one way to start is to take the livecd, set a timer for an hour, and then go explore and see what you can and can't do, and generate a list for cool "you can do this!" things to write up that way 20:41:12 dufflebag: that way it'll really be a "I'm new to this, and this is what I played with and found!" thing 20:41:20 oh totally yeah 20:41:34 dont worry im good at finding ways to amuse myself haha 20:41:38 EvilBob: Cool beans. when you file that ticket, can you make a note that you need stuff by, say, October 10 or something? 20:41:51 dufflebag: there are some hidden gems too you might be able to find. e.g. i think some of the games tht come with fedora have network play 20:41:54 mchua: yup 20:41:59 mchua: I have one additional heads-up re: FUDCon where I might need some help from the Marketing team 20:42:11 stickster: shoot! 20:42:24 Something we want to do with this FUDCon is to put a little more of the "U" back in FUDCon ("Users") 20:43:11 Since we'll be in Toronto, where there's a very active Linux/LUG community, Spot and I think we ought to poll the user groups directly there to find out what they'd like to see at a FUDCon in terms of user content that would make it compelling for them (beyond the free admission) 20:44:52 We were thinking that having one or two tracks that would be something like "gentle" and "brisk"... The first would be purely introductory for new users, such as friends and relatives of someone in a LUG, or someone who's not yet comfortable with running Linux. 20:45:06 s/thinking that/thinking of/ 20:45:10 Ooo. /me thinks about all the fun FUDCon marketing and feedback-looping stuff that could be done here. 20:45:27 The other track would be a little more advanced, for people who have been running a Linux but don't know how to get the most out of Fedora yet 20:45:54 It would be nice to have an objective of getting people in the advanced class to learn how to file a bug, as a stepping stone to participation. 20:46:28 stickster: that sounds like a good first Marketing <--> Ambassadors collaboration mini-project, too. If we do that feedback-gathering with Ambassadors as the front-lines and Marketing as the materials-providers and feedback-processors. 20:46:45 But we need help with the polling part -- identifying the main contacts for the LUGs, sending out questions, and collecting answers. I would like to accomplish that before Aug. 31. 20:46:45 hehe we could demo the cool projects dufflebag is coming up with in the gentle sessions 20:46:53 mizmo + 1 20:47:08 We could gather the input on the wiki if we use the FUDCon: namespace, since it's publicly editable. 20:47:29 But I'm not particular about how we get the answers, just that we produce content that makes people care enough to come. 20:47:48 # "What would you like to see at FUDCon?" Identify the main contacts for Toronto-area LUGs, send out questions, and collect answers. Due August 31 to stickster. 20:47:51 argh. 20:47:55 #action "What would you like to see at FUDCon?" Identify the main contacts for Toronto-area LUGs, send out questions, and collect answers. Due August 31 to stickster. 20:47:58 * mchua can use the bot, really 20:48:15 Is anybody interested in working on FUDCon stuff for this release cycle? 20:48:21 (...is anybody in toronto?) 20:48:34 hm, perhaps we can get some of ctyler's students to help with this 20:48:40 * mchua will ping 20:48:50 or to at least rouse some rabble 20:48:52 Yes, perhaps so. I can also check with a couple people in YYZ that I know in the RH office. 20:49:03 #action mchua to ping ctyler to find interested students in the Toronto area to help with FUDCon prep 20:49:24 #action stickster checking with RH YYZ folks to see if anyone is interested in helping with FUDCon prep 20:49:38 you know Polling any group of Linux users could give ideas for FUDcon content 20:49:38 we need tshirt design i think 20:49:46 mizmo: fudboat 20:49:57 dude, and we need more fedora flippy floppies 20:50:00 EvilBob: good point. 20:50:29 EvilBob: Very true 20:50:38 We could also use fedora-list, for example, or FedoraForum.org 20:50:44 #action "What would you like to see at FUDCon?" (Maybe we can do some things remotely, or these would be good installfest ideas for local events.) Identify the main contacts for LUGs in your area, send out questions, and collect answers. Due August 31 to stickster. 20:50:52 The key is that people in YYZ are the most likely to come to this FUDCon 20:51:00 need not be focused on the Toronto peeps even if they are those likely to show up, just ideas after all, could be put in to action later or other events 20:51:14 EvilBob: added another open task for non-Toronto groups - thanks for pointing that out. 20:51:17 I would like to avoid InstallFest at FUDCon -- too many variables to have a reasonably good experience for everyone. 20:51:17 * ianweller still needs to train himself to see "YYZ" as "toronto" 20:51:27 *unless* it was done extramurally, like a nighttime BoF 20:51:40 We have actual computer classrooms we'll be able to use, complete with Fedora, at the site. 20:51:49 *sweet* 20:52:03 fudpub/installfest 20:52:04 hehe 20:52:10 oh god 20:52:12 that would be interesting 20:52:15 inebriated installations? 20:52:18 That's one word for it 20:52:26 that would be... interesting 20:52:42 no beers near my laptop 20:52:46 * mizmo looks fierce 20:52:51 mizmo++ 20:53:23 actaully there are a few of us that could handle that 20:53:36 we do it on a nitely basis in #fedora 20:54:07 Southern_Gentlem: an extramural, remotely-supported installfest in #fedora? 20:54:28 yep 20:55:19 i like the idea of that... when the event is over #fedora is prolly where folks will go to get help 20:55:25 good to get them acquainted with it 20:55:26 +1 to that 20:56:02 We're starting to run short on time - stickster, the FUDCon announcement will be going out soon, right? (because when it does, we can open up a wiki page for this kind of discussion/planning) 20:56:07 (which is awesome) 20:56:11 Yes, that's correct mchua 20:56:27 * stickster recovering from a week in the BOS tornado, but should have an announcement out in the next day or so. 20:56:29 stickster: do u need FUDcon Torono logo gfx? 20:56:30 right now we've got the aug 31 "get survey data from local (and non-local) LUGs" to put the U in FUDCon 20:56:36 takes me like 30 sec 20:56:40 mizmo: Sure thing! 20:56:43 mizmo: There's even a page already: 20:57:01 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:FUDCon_F13 20:57:06 I never thought I'd understand phrases like "fudcon yyz gfx" 20:57:12 Although that probably needs to be renamed to "FUDCon:Toronto 2009" 20:57:29 awwww there's already an upload link for the logo, rock ill take care of that right now 20:57:37 mizmo: RULES. 20:58:15 * stickster fixes all the links 20:58:23 OK, here it is f'realz: 20:58:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 20:58:43 OK. So we've got the survey on our plate, FUDCon stuff will move forward more after stickster sends out that announcement, can haz wiki at 20:58:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 20:58:52 We're just about out of time for today 20:58:58 * stickster eof 20:59:00 Does anyone have anything else they'd like to bring up? 20:59:21 (Whoa, crazy meeting. We covered f12 alpha readiness, new folks (WOO!), impending FUDCon.) 20:59:42 * ianweller pulls his jetpack out of his suitcase 20:59:53 (...materials for installfest, "i use fedora" stories - lots to keep up with) 21:00:01 I think ianweller is giving me the countdown signal. 21:00:07 Marketing meeting ending in 5... 21:00:14 * mchua gets jetpack from closet 21:00:16 4... 21:00:17 i think he wants to talk about his new invented jetpack 21:00:24 * mchua straps in 21:00:25 dufflebag: nah, had 'em for a month 21:00:28 haha 21:00:29 3... 21:00:31 2... 21:00:33 old bizniz 21:00:34 1... 21:00:37 * ianweller takes off 21:00:42 * mchua rockets through floor 21:00:45 #endmeeting