15:05:48 #startmeeting Power Management for Fedora 15:05:48 Meeting started Thu Sep 10 15:05:48 2009 UTC. The chair is skalnik1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:05:48 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:06:05 Hello PM funs 15:06:33 I'm sorry I'm a bit late and started the meeting on false channel :-( 15:07:31 Unfortunately, I'm alone from PM meeting on fedora-meeting 15:08:22 because there is Developer Conference 2009 in Brno and my colleagues are busy with this event. 15:08:41 Phill Knirsch is on vacation 15:09:56 Therefore I have no topics to discuss 15:10:52 I'd like to inform you shortly about just running DevCon in Brno 15:12:21 Power Management is quite active. We presented two presentations and There is just finishing Watt hunting competition. 15:13:27 We spoke about our work and results. 15:14:07 We informed audience about BLTK, tuned and scomes packages 15:14:31 skalnik1: Are there available progress reports on these? 15:15:26 mjg59: changes in bltk are just discussed with upstream 15:16:22 tuned package was extended about tuned-adm that switches predefined profiles 15:16:45 we add new info on our SIG pages 15:17:15 but I suppose We should focus on improvement these pages 15:17:38 The results of the watt hunting competition would be interesting 15:18:07 ah, sorry you mentioned watt hunting 15:20:05 mjg59: I will ask colleagues for insertion results of the competition on the web sites 15:21:10 complete info, it could be interesting to have more competitor 15:21:20 That would be great 15:21:29 s/competitor/competitors/ ;-) 15:22:54 How are you guys measuring power consumption... external watt meter or just going by ACPI batter life estimates? 15:23:58 mgahagan: we used three ways to measure power consumption 15:24:32 two direct - battery info as wrote mgahagan (this uses bltk) 15:24:56 then external watt meter but this was only for first imagines 15:25:52 because I discussed socket watt meters accuracy with university people here in brno 15:27:02 and the answer was these watt meters are not usable 15:27:16 skalnik1, ahh ok.. was just wondering.... I know accurate watt meters for AC power get very, very expensive. 15:27:59 mgahagan: yes, the cheapest accurate watt meters starts on aprox. 1000 $ 15:28:44 but common price can be 30k - 60k $ 15:29:20 if we want to measure changes on the level ~1W or ~0.1 15:29:22 W 15:29:59 the third way how to measure (scomes) is indirect 15:30:11 we don't measure watts but CPU usage 15:30:35 this is built up on systemtap package 15:31:02 Announcement from my owner (stickster): Fedora Board public IRC meeting in ~30 minutes -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC for details 15:32:28 skalnik1, yeah, if we can accurately track cpu & disk usage we are probably 90% of the way there... then you have the display which we can't do that much about since it needs to be bright enough to be usable :) 15:35:51 mgahagan: right, this was a part of my presentation today - the cpu and graphics consumes aprox. 2/3 power of whole computer 15:36:08 then important power eater is lcd 15:36:33 the rest is for hdd, wifi, some usb periphery etc. 15:37:11 skalnik1, good point about the graphics... do we have something that measures GPU activity. 15:37:26 currently not 15:38:04 Some CPU use is more expensive than others 15:38:10 mgahagan: i'd like to redirect this question to mjg59 :-) 15:38:20 oh he reacted already :-) 15:38:40 the biggest power usage on my laptop (at least when idle) turned out to be bluetooth and USB (probably the fingerprint reader)... killing those gives me about an hour of extra battery life if I'm just doing general web browsing. 15:38:44 It's much more power efficient to spend 0.5 seconds active and 0.5 seconds idle than 0.25 seconds active, 0.25 seconds idle, 0.25 seconds active, 0.25 seconds idle 15:38:50 usbautosuspend seemed to help the most 15:39:08 USB autosuspend should be enabled by default on bluetooth and fingerprint readers in rawhide 15:39:57 mgahagan: i measured wifi + bluetooth a couple of days ago 15:40:03 the result is 1.1W 15:40:19 there is one let say problem 15:40:23 mjg59, I'm getting ready to try a rawhide live image to see how it does with power consumption... I noticed that rawhide in a KVM guest has much fewer wakeups than F11 did. 15:41:04 the latest F11 kernel helped some too... CPU can sit in C3 state most of the time now 15:51:32 well, we are near to end of our time slot. any other remarks, questions? 15:55:37 so thanks everyone for participating, and see you again next week! 15:55:44 #endmeeting