18:00:19 #startmeeting Fedora Release Engieering Meeting 18:00:19 Meeting started Mon Sep 14 18:00:19 2009 UTC. The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:30 #topic roll call 18:00:54 * notting is here 18:01:08 ping notting jwb rdieter lmacken spot wwoods dgilmore warren 18:01:22 here 18:01:39 * spot waves 18:03:25 Alright, we haven't had a meeting since 8/31, so lets recap some old business. 18:03:39 #topic old business - Snapshot 1 (and 2) 18:03:59 Snapshot 1 went out, a reduced set of live images due to e2fsprogs resize issues 18:04:11 those have been fixed, and just in time for snapshot 2 18:04:28 snapshot 2 was late in getting composed due to rawhide issues, but I got them all composed on Friday 18:04:38 and staged to the torrent system. I'll be making the torrents live today 18:05:00 #action Oxf13 to release snapshot2 torrents today 18:05:25 Oxf13: is the license stuff automated now? 18:05:35 I couldn't find anywhere that we promised what we would release for snapshots 18:06:09 Oxf13: is that in reply to me, or in general? 18:06:46 I don't recall any sort of commitment either 18:07:00 so I've been making the Live, Live-KDE, Live-XFCE, and Live-LXDE images 18:07:03 mostly because they're all small 18:07:12 * dgilmore is here 18:07:16 and I know that the xfce/lxde folks are quick to get people to poke at them. 18:07:33 * spot wonders if he's lagging... :/ 18:07:35 I don't think I want to amke any more than 4 live sets, and I don't really want to do any DVD sized images 18:07:41 spot: no, I'll get to your question in a moment 18:07:46 Oxf13: thanks. 18:08:03 Oxf13: i think live isos are perfectly ok 18:08:16 dgilmore: yeah, but which ones (: 18:08:20 nobody has complained yet 18:09:48 Oxf13: gnome/kde/XFCE/LXDE 18:09:59 as far as source is concerned. 18:10:14 I have it in my notes to add the README-SOURCES file to the torrents 18:10:20 but that's not "automated" in any way 18:10:37 nor is keeping the tree that file references around "automated" 18:10:41 Oxf13: okay, as long as it happens. 18:10:58 strategy for now is to keep all the rawhide trees for the entire cycle of a release 18:11:04 Oxf13: are your notes on the process on the wiki somewhere? 18:11:10 e.g. raptor problem 18:11:14 IE don't throw out any rawhide trees made while developing F12 until after F12 is out 18:11:28 spot: it's in a tomboy note and waiting for a queue slot to get it into the wiki somewhere 18:11:35 Oxf13: mmkay. 18:11:40 spot: I really need a docs person to spend a day or so with me to get things into the wiki 18:13:48 one of those harry potter pensieve dealies would be nice, could sit next to the orbital laser controls probably 18:14:16 heh 18:14:28 anyway, any further thoughts on snapshots? Got one more to make this week 18:15:21 oh for those not in the "know", we need to provide a link to sources when we publish live images and snapshots 18:15:48 how do we determine the benefit we get from snapshots for the effort expended? 18:15:55 to comply with this, we've been adding a README-SOURCES file that points to the rawhide tree on kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/rawhide-$DATE/source/ for which ever tree we composed against. 18:16:23 and I had to re-generate all the active torrents with live images to add this file 18:18:06 notting: that's a good question, probably one we should ask our QA counter parts 18:18:15 the snapshots were supposed to serve a couple purposes. 18:18:27 1) something to download weekly and test with, hopefully known working 18:18:49 2) a target for developers to keep in mind "Snapshot will happen at $foo, lets make sure our stuff is done/working by then" 18:21:14 I'm not sure how we're doing on #2, and QA would have to help us answer #1 18:21:28 #idea how do we determine the benefit we get from snapshots for the effort expended? 18:22:13 alright, moving on a bit 18:22:31 #topic old business - slow newRepo tasks 18:22:48 We talked about the slow tasks last meeting and had some action items to work on this. 18:23:05 dgilmore was going to move builders + public access to koji1, so that kojira could have more of koji2 to use. 18:23:09 dgilmore: did that happen? 18:25:18 he's not listening right now 18:25:51 I had an action to plot newRepo durations over time, and I did that a few times 18:26:07 http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/newrepo-average-duration.png 18:26:14 that was a little over a week ago 18:26:58 then we looked at the code a bit more 18:27:11 quite a wide variance, but that's for all newRepos I take it ? (obviously some tags will take longer than others) 18:27:20 and mbonnet found where a stat was being called on every file during the first stage of the tasks 18:27:36 this... is slow on our storage, and really not necessary. So we killed the stat call 18:27:41 http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/newrepo-average-duration-14.png 18:27:55 and now we're at the average times for the last 14 days, for the dist-f12-build repo 18:28:11 nice 18:28:16 with the exception of a spike a few days ago, we've been between 10 and 15 minutes per newRepo. 18:28:31 this is significantly better than we were before 18:28:48 Oxf13: it did 18:29:15 dgilmore: ok, thanks. 18:29:44 so now, the entire newRepo task, from start to finish, is averaging about 12 minutes. I find this acceptable and I think we can move on from this topic. 18:29:49 any other thoughts? 18:30:12 none 18:31:01 Alright, that ends our old business. 18:31:15 #topic Fedora 12 Beta 18:31:56 Beta is coming up early next month 18:32:12 I need to create the milestone and create a bunch of tickets for the beta cycle. 18:32:32 that should happen today, I apologize for the ticket spam 18:33:33 We'll also be having bug blocker days every Friday, to keep everybody in the loop with known blocker issues as we gear up for the release 18:33:36 and freeze 18:33:42 so I would encourage you to attend 18:35:12 #topic Open Floor 18:35:21 anybody got anything else to talk about? 18:35:39 oh, I'll be gone at LinuxCon next week, but should have some net capability to do whatever tasks are necessary 18:35:46 Oxf13: you staying through lpc? 18:36:06 notting: doubtful. $$. I'll probably leave either Thu or Fri 18:36:18 depends on where I'm staying etc.. 18:36:21 ill be in RDU next week 18:36:30 not sure what availability ill have 18:36:38 * notting will be at LPC 18:39:35 Ok, closing the meeting in a minute if there is no other business. 18:42:01 #endmeeting