15:13:51 #startmeeting 15:13:51 Meeting started Tue Sep 22 15:13:51 2009 UTC. The chair is tk009. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:13:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:14:07 wave hand for here 15:14:14 * arxs here 15:14:14 * adamw knocks over the china 15:14:26 * John5342 waves hand 15:14:26 * waltJ is here 15:15:12 . 15:15:23 okay I just saw the one thing which is from last week 15:15:25 ping rjune__ 15:15:49 #topic Improving Triage Day 15:16:12 we talked about this a little last week but there was no follow up on my part 15:16:20 very busy 15:16:29 * thomasj here 15:16:43 same here, $dayjob greps all time 15:16:43 I am not sure if there is anything to add but if someone has something please do 15:17:16 not really...i liked all the ideas we had last week, i just hope we do something about it :) 15:17:50 I ma not working today so maybe I can get something started 15:17:54 maybe =) 15:18:00 thanks :) 15:18:28 #topic - Open Floor 15:19:07 i hoped rjune__ can say something about the kernel triage 15:19:15 I have one thing for open floor 15:19:56 #topic Meeting Agenda List 15:20:09 I dont know if that is the right title, but here goes 15:20:23 there are a number of actions items that have slipped 15:20:44 I was wondering if the agenda is a good place for those to live? 15:20:49 action items that is 15:20:53 if i remember right, is for this not a SOP in progress ? 15:20:54 hmm 15:20:57 good question... 15:21:04 yes 15:21:16 that is one of the action items that has slipped 15:21:37 we need a way to ensure things dont slip 15:21:39 a lsit 15:21:42 list* 15:22:04 you mean a quick overview list in wiki 15:22:20 which a overview how much is a point is done and who are working on it? 15:22:24 something jsut to make sure things dont get 'lost' 15:22:27 I'm here. 15:22:40 the agenda doesn't quite feel right, but i can't think of anywhere better off the top of my head 15:22:58 the agenda list isnt perfect 15:23:02 maybe a new page 15:23:15 but it would ake getting the agenda together easier 15:23:32 it would. 15:23:46 * John5342 drops the idea of trac into the discussion again and ducks out the way 15:23:52 when the agemda list was first discussed, there was talk of 15:23:57 yes trac 15:24:05 thanks john =) 15:24:17 that was my suggestion in the first place 15:24:21 yeah, we use trac for qa stuff 15:24:25 it's probably a good idea 15:24:28 poelcat didnt like the idea 15:24:34 but was met with opposition about it being too formal 15:24:38 I wasnt sure at first 15:24:49 i don't think using an appropriate tool for the job is 'formal' 15:24:56 we want to track tasks, trac is a task tracker... 15:25:05 crazy talk 15:25:07 =) 15:25:11 the reasons for not using trac were valid but the reasons for using it might be more so 15:25:42 we could always use google calendar if nobody likes trac. 15:26:01 I think trac fits here 15:26:18 +1 for trac 15:26:21 rjune__: perhaps it should stay on fedora infrastructure 15:26:22 and we could probably just use the QA trac instance 15:26:23 +1 15:26:26 should we announce this idea to f-t-l or just start a vote here? 15:26:31 since we're officially a sub-project of qa 15:26:38 i can talk to jlaska about that when he gets back 15:26:40 there is already a triage trac instance if i remeber right 15:26:47 oh k :) 15:26:47 anyway, +1 from me for track 15:26:49 yes there is 15:26:52 oh yeah i think brennan uses it for triageweb 15:26:58 yes 15:27:07 its used for triage buttons as well 15:27:28 i think we should just do it, no need to spend time on a list discussion. it's not that big a thing, really. just a way to track information. we're not compelling anyone to do anything. 15:27:43 it was originally created for routine bugzilla maintenance such as eol etc but should fit our purposes well 15:27:54 so tk009, congratulations on volunteering to transfer the existing open action items into trac ;) 15:28:05 woot! 15:28:07 =) 15:28:34 seriously, if you can do it that's great, if not i'm sure the rest of us can help out... 15:28:43 I can do it 15:28:45 #action tk009 transfer the existing open action items into trac 15:29:11 #chair arxs adamw rjune__ 15:29:11 Current chairs: adamw arxs rjune__ tk009 15:29:20 I forgot to do that 15:29:29 heh 15:29:35 okay while it was not on there 15:29:43 what about triage metrics 15:29:43 no problem 'action' can do anyone, but only assigned is possible with chair powers 15:29:48 any news on that front 15:30:05 #action tk009 to transfer existing outstanding action items to trac 15:30:13 #topic Triage Metrics 15:30:13 i haven't heard from brennan...has anyone else? 15:30:21 tk009: last meeting, something should hit the f-t-l list about the new instance 15:30:24 but i don't see a mail there 15:30:39 no I did not either 15:30:59 okay 15:31:14 #topic kernel triage 15:31:18 rjune__ 15:31:25 next person to come into contact with Comet Ashton please try and get an update :) 15:33:21 #action tk009 will email comphappy for status on metrics 15:33:34 rjune__ 15:34:05 okay while waiting for r, anyone have something else? 15:34:23 ok. 15:34:24 sorry 15:34:47 like, why the heck are we having fudcon in winter at teh north pole =P 15:35:15 I've spent an hour or so every week looking through the wifi tickets. either I'm not searching right or the folks that have been filling out these tickets care enough to fill them out right. 15:35:26 I'm expanding to more generic kernel. 15:36:02 adamw: I also thought about, emailing Linville asking him to pass me tickets that he comes across in his day to day stuff with a "grab this for me" note. 15:36:18 by pass, I mean, email me the ticket # and what he needs. 15:36:34 hum. that sounds like it would save little work, really 15:36:49 posting a comment to ask for info vs. sending you an email to ask to ask for info... 15:36:51 it wouldn't save much work. but it would help define exactly what they need. 15:37:05 so, as an introductory thing? maybe it would work... 15:37:26 yea, one of my concerns is I'm looking at the ticket and thinking it looks right. but X is missing. 15:37:31 rjune__: well, asking him "what do you need"? 15:37:59 or asking him to go behind you through couple of bugs and letting you know what he would like different? 15:38:18 mcepl: I've not found any that strike me as missing anything. that's the issue. 15:38:19 and you mean they don't have problems with duplicates? 15:38:43 that I would suspect would be the most severe problem of kernel 15:38:45 I've not found any. but that doesn't mean that duplicates aren't under other keywords. 15:38:50 OK 15:38:59 if I search for wifi ++kernel, and somebody filed it under wifi ++intel 15:39:11 (and now we have abrt, so there will be enough duplicates for everybody ;) sigh) 15:39:31 rjune__: search for iwl3945? 15:39:48 well, abrt should be smart about it, shouldn't it? like anaconda does...if there's an existing report just post a comment to that 15:40:16 mcepl: i did not. 15:40:31 adamw: you said it ... should be 15:41:28 heh 15:41:40 (plowing through firefox & co. bugs 15:41:43 ) 15:42:23 anything else? 15:42:38 not from me 15:42:42 nore me 15:43:05 arxs will you do the recap? 15:43:10 can you? 15:43:20 tk009: yes can do 15:43:38 okay ,short and sweet today. thank all 15:43:54 #endmeeting