16:30:03 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG
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16:30:06 <EvilBob> Yo!
16:30:09 <nirik> #topic init process
16:30:26 * Sonar_Guy 
16:30:44 * thomasj 
16:31:07 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:32:28 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started...
16:32:33 <nirik> #topic weekly stats
16:32:50 <nirik> http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:32:59 <nirik> a bit busier this last week than the few before.
16:33:19 <Southern_Gentlem> and this the full moon week
16:33:47 * hiemanshu wasnt here most of the time this week
16:33:48 <nirik> sadly some spammer links in the urls section (due to them spewing them a bunch of times)
16:34:30 <Southern_Gentlem> have they been added to badwords?
16:34:31 <nirik> anyone have anything to point out from the weekly stats?
16:34:59 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: no, I dont think we should start adding every url there... just the ones that come up more often (ie, the stupid game ones)
16:35:25 <EvilBob> so look at them later if they happen again?
16:35:44 <nirik> yeah, this was one user who was banned now I think.
16:36:37 <nirik> those games sites were coming up all the time from different nicks.
16:37:36 <nirik> ok, shall we move on?
16:37:41 <thomasj> ++
16:37:42 <hiemanshu> nirik, how about banning a user that pastes a link more than a specific set of times
16:37:51 <hiemanshu> except from a few knows sites
16:37:57 <hiemanshu> like the fedora ones
16:38:01 <nirik> well, we can do that now... just needs an op. ;)
16:38:31 <nirik> we should be pretty carefull about autobanning... could hit real uses unless we are careful.
16:38:39 <EvilBob> +1
16:38:45 <nirik> #topic fedora-social
16:38:56 * Khaytsus needs ops in -social
16:39:07 <Khaytsus> And the bot too
16:39:12 <nirik> so we had another incident the other day with an abusive user in social... we have less ops there and less people paying attention.
16:39:33 <hiemanshu> I could help, i am in -social all most all the time
16:39:36 <fenrus02> stalker, profane, or what?
16:39:43 <nirik> first I would like to propose we op fedbot in there, and allow the existing folks authorized in it for fedora to be also autorized in social.
16:39:55 <nirik> fenrus02: profane/tolling.
16:40:02 <Khaytsus> fenrus02: yes
16:40:18 <Southern_Gentlem> what do the social channel think about this
16:40:18 <thomasj> hiemanshu, we're all in -social ;)
16:40:36 <hiemanshu> thomasj, i meant being active :P
16:40:40 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: thought it sucked that we could not find an op
16:40:46 <thomasj> hiemanshu, and i watch
16:40:47 <EvilBob> AGAIN
16:41:05 <hiemanshu> thomasj, :)
16:41:21 <Khaytsus> So at the last, fedbot +o
16:41:23 <Khaytsus> least
16:41:55 <Southern_Gentlem> if the users of social aare happy having fedbot i am for it
16:42:08 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: how can we find that out?
16:42:09 <EvilBob> I am willing to help with that channel if I can work through fedbot so there is a log
16:42:17 <hiemanshu> Southern_Gentlem, is there a reason to think otherwise?
16:42:47 <hiemanshu> nirik, I could ask people if you need to
16:43:00 <Southern_Gentlem> hiemanshu,  social is its own situation
16:43:27 <nirik> well, a vote? of who? everyone who has ever been in social? ;)
16:43:39 <hiemanshu> nirik, who are active in -social
16:43:42 <fenrus02> ever?  yes.  just rarely.
16:43:46 <hiemanshu> No other way to do so
16:43:48 <nirik> hiemanshu: define 'active' ?
16:43:59 <EvilBob> it is uncommon that something needs to be done in -social, when something does need to be done "we" always have to hunt for someone to help
16:44:02 <hiemanshu> nirik, people who are around and talking the most
16:44:28 <Southern_Gentlem> mock,evilbob,sonargal
16:44:39 <nirik> hiemanshu: my point is that is vuage. I suppose that would be enough for an informal polling... but if you are talking a vote thats lousy criteria
16:44:48 <thomasj> +1
16:44:56 <Sonar_Guy> http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-social.html
16:44:58 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, and usually there is a fedora op around, but they don't have social.
16:45:13 <Southern_Gentlem> except a few of us
16:45:22 <Sonar_Guy> there are stats to look at
16:45:43 <EvilBob> wow, rogue is still the king
16:45:59 <Khaytsus> Yes, -social topics are broader, but trolling and outright offensive stuff is still gonna get hit with a hammer.  Obviously we wouldn't patrol it as strictly as #fedora proper, but..
16:46:00 <nirik> EvilBob: due to his long long long long long rants.
16:46:06 <EvilBob> lol
16:46:10 <nirik> so, back to my proposal:
16:46:16 <nirik> first I would like to propose we op fedbot in there, and allow the existing folks authorized in it for fedora to be also autorized in social.
16:46:23 <Khaytsus> +1
16:46:26 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: +1
16:46:30 <nirik> so if that helps out enough. If not, we add more people from social.
16:46:32 <hiemanshu> +1
16:47:06 <thomasj> That should be enough.
16:47:10 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:47:13 <EvilBob> but if they are going to be ops in there, they should also be in there
16:47:24 <Southern_Gentlem> i try to be
16:47:37 <EvilBob> it is a pain to have to paste what was going on to get action
16:47:53 <thomasj> EvilBob, you pinged me in the middle of the night here. Sorry. You know i'm always around to op in social.
16:48:00 <nirik> EvilBob: good point. However it would at least make it easier to find someone who can do something.
16:48:29 <EvilBob> thomasj: I know
16:48:46 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  anyway to add Bob to that as well
16:48:46 <nirik> EvilBob: we could have a seperate list for social, but how do we decide who is on it?
16:49:29 <nirik> they can be totally seperate perms from fedora.
16:49:30 <hiemanshu> nirik, as thomasj always say, give it to people who deserve it, have been around for quite some time
16:49:34 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  we could just add bob to the bot and be done
16:49:38 <thomasj> If you ask for EvilBob as op in #fedora-social.. +1 here
16:49:43 <EvilBob> I hate being an op, but there is a hole i the coverage of that channel, for the good of the community I am willing
16:50:13 <nirik> I'm fine with that, I just want us to have a known procedure/etc for that. Vote from the fedora ops + social ops? or ?
16:50:47 <Southern_Gentlem> i motion that bob be added to the ops in the bot for both #fedora and social
16:50:49 <nirik> Should all the fedora ops be added to the bot for social as well?
16:50:59 <Southern_Gentlem> for now yes
16:51:22 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: +1
16:51:24 <EvilBob> I just would rather not be in th access list, I would rather use the bot so bans are autoreleased and such, actually muting in there is better anyhow 99% of the time
16:51:54 <nirik> well, for #fedora we need a vote of existing ops, right?
16:52:03 <thomasj> yes
16:52:15 <nirik> I can mail everyone and we can vote on that next week?
16:52:18 <Southern_Gentlem> well for the access list, this is new ground with the bot
16:52:46 <nirik> for now we can: op bot in #fedora-social, add EvilBob to the list there and all the fedora ops. Then see if we need any further action moving forward?
16:52:54 * thomasj thinks kicking with bot or direct is the same action. Able to kick is able to kick
16:52:59 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: sounds good
16:53:04 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:53:11 <nirik> any objections to that plan?
16:53:13 <hiemanshu> nirik, <nod>
16:53:21 <thomasj> nirik, +1
16:54:18 <nirik> ok. Don't hear any objections.
16:54:24 <nirik> shall we move on?
16:54:28 <Southern_Gentlem> yep
16:54:28 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: yes
16:54:35 <nirik> #topic meeting time
16:54:51 <nirik> So, this has been our meeting time for a while, but I note that the board is holding their public irc meeting now.
16:54:54 <nirik> as they have been lately.
16:55:02 <nirik> Do we want to move our meeting time? or just not care?
16:55:12 <Southern_Gentlem> the latter
16:55:20 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: nope, it is only what once a month?
16:55:23 <EvilBob> maybe skip the week that the board has theirs?
16:55:31 <Southern_Gentlem> if we move something else will happen
16:55:40 <thomasj> +1 to not care
16:55:40 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: +1
16:55:41 <nirik> yeah, I think it's every other week or something...
16:55:42 <hiemanshu> Just have it an hour earlier on the day they would have it
16:55:45 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: yeah, prolly so.
16:56:05 <nirik> hiemanshu: good idea, but that would put it too early for me. ;(
16:56:13 <Southern_Gentlem> hiemanshu,  this is lunchtime for some of us
16:56:21 <EvilBob> not that the FABmeeting matters, it is never announced in enough channels so people that are impacted show up
16:56:29 <Southern_Gentlem> otherwise couldnt attend
16:56:33 <hiemanshu> How about later then?
16:56:51 <nirik> later could be ok for me... but might make it too late for others. ;(
16:56:52 <hiemanshu> or just hold the meeting else where
16:56:58 <thomasj> We can always drop the meeting if there's a "important" FAB meeting.
16:57:20 <Southern_Gentlem> if we have something to meet about we meet otherwise we can cancel
16:57:22 <EvilBob> hiemanshu: location is not the issue
16:57:48 <nirik> ok, just thought I would bring up the topic on the schedule... sounds like most folks are ok with just keeping it here.
16:57:49 * Sonar_Guy motions we keep the status quo!!
16:58:21 <EvilBob> Sonar_Guy: +1
16:58:22 <Sonar_Guy> most of us monitor several channels at a time anyway
16:58:34 <nirik> ok.
16:58:36 <thomasj> And FAB meetings are not hard to follow.
16:58:37 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:58:44 <nirik> any items for open floor?
16:59:08 <hiemanshu> nope
16:59:36 * nirik will close out the meeting here in a few if nothing comes up.
17:00:20 <EvilBob> FAB meetings should get spammed to every #fedora* channel IMO
17:00:34 <thomasj> true
17:00:48 <nirik> I thought they were.
17:00:55 <Southern_Gentlem> nope
17:01:08 <EvilBob> it is rare that I know it is happening until almost over or completely over
17:01:16 <nirik> Humm... I saw:  <zodbot> Announcement from my owner (stickster): Fedora Board IRC meeting in ~25 minutes -- refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC for details
17:01:32 <EvilBob> nirik: but that is only in a few channel
17:01:32 <nirik> on all the fedora channels I'm on. ;)
17:01:32 <EvilBob> s
17:01:40 <nirik> well, it should be all of them zodbot is on.
17:01:50 <thomasj> For example not in -social
17:01:51 <EvilBob> nirik: sure but the bot is not in all
17:02:07 <thomasj> In -kde since a few days, since we have zodbot in
17:02:19 <EvilBob> I don't see it in #fedora
17:02:45 <thomasj> It was in #fedora
17:03:03 <EvilBob> yeah I did see it
17:03:09 <nirik> it was, it's just hard to see in the see of stuff.
17:03:17 <EvilBob> yup
17:03:30 <thomasj> Should be in red and blinking.. eeww
17:03:33 <nirik> oh well, perhaps we can make it look better. ;)
17:03:42 <EvilBob> schedule the bot to announce it 30, 15 and NOW
17:03:45 <nirik> anyhow, thanks for coming everyone.
17:03:54 <EvilBob> later all
17:04:15 <nirik> #endmeeting