16:30:03 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG 16:30:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 16:30:03 2009 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:06 Yo! 16:30:09 #topic init process 16:30:26 * Sonar_Guy 16:30:44 * thomasj 16:31:07 * Southern_Gentlem 16:32:28 ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started... 16:32:33 #topic weekly stats 16:32:50 http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 16:32:59 a bit busier this last week than the few before. 16:33:19 and this the full moon week 16:33:47 * hiemanshu wasnt here most of the time this week 16:33:48 sadly some spammer links in the urls section (due to them spewing them a bunch of times) 16:34:30 have they been added to badwords? 16:34:31 anyone have anything to point out from the weekly stats? 16:34:59 Southern_Gentlem: no, I dont think we should start adding every url there... just the ones that come up more often (ie, the stupid game ones) 16:35:25 so look at them later if they happen again? 16:35:44 yeah, this was one user who was banned now I think. 16:36:37 those games sites were coming up all the time from different nicks. 16:37:36 ok, shall we move on? 16:37:41 ++ 16:37:42 nirik, how about banning a user that pastes a link more than a specific set of times 16:37:51 except from a few knows sites 16:37:57 like the fedora ones 16:38:01 well, we can do that now... just needs an op. ;) 16:38:31 we should be pretty carefull about autobanning... could hit real uses unless we are careful. 16:38:39 +1 16:38:45 #topic fedora-social 16:38:56 * Khaytsus needs ops in -social 16:39:07 And the bot too 16:39:12 so we had another incident the other day with an abusive user in social... we have less ops there and less people paying attention. 16:39:33 I could help, i am in -social all most all the time 16:39:36 stalker, profane, or what? 16:39:43 first I would like to propose we op fedbot in there, and allow the existing folks authorized in it for fedora to be also autorized in social. 16:39:55 fenrus02: profane/tolling. 16:40:02 fenrus02: yes 16:40:18 what do the social channel think about this 16:40:18 hiemanshu, we're all in -social ;) 16:40:36 thomasj, i meant being active :P 16:40:40 Southern_Gentlem: thought it sucked that we could not find an op 16:40:46 hiemanshu, and i watch 16:40:47 AGAIN 16:41:05 thomasj, :) 16:41:21 So at the last, fedbot +o 16:41:23 least 16:41:55 if the users of social aare happy having fedbot i am for it 16:42:08 Southern_Gentlem: how can we find that out? 16:42:09 I am willing to help with that channel if I can work through fedbot so there is a log 16:42:17 Southern_Gentlem, is there a reason to think otherwise? 16:42:47 nirik, I could ask people if you need to 16:43:00 hiemanshu, social is its own situation 16:43:27 well, a vote? of who? everyone who has ever been in social? ;) 16:43:39 nirik, who are active in -social 16:43:42 ever? yes. just rarely. 16:43:46 No other way to do so 16:43:48 hiemanshu: define 'active' ? 16:43:59 it is uncommon that something needs to be done in -social, when something does need to be done "we" always have to hunt for someone to help 16:44:02 nirik, people who are around and talking the most 16:44:28 mock,evilbob,sonargal 16:44:39 hiemanshu: my point is that is vuage. I suppose that would be enough for an informal polling... but if you are talking a vote thats lousy criteria 16:44:48 +1 16:44:56 http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-social.html 16:44:58 EvilBob: yeah, and usually there is a fedora op around, but they don't have social. 16:45:13 except a few of us 16:45:22 there are stats to look at 16:45:43 wow, rogue is still the king 16:45:59 Yes, -social topics are broader, but trolling and outright offensive stuff is still gonna get hit with a hammer. Obviously we wouldn't patrol it as strictly as #fedora proper, but.. 16:46:00 EvilBob: due to his long long long long long rants. 16:46:06 lol 16:46:10 so, back to my proposal: 16:46:16 first I would like to propose we op fedbot in there, and allow the existing folks authorized in it for fedora to be also autorized in social. 16:46:23 +1 16:46:26 nirik: +1 16:46:30 so if that helps out enough. If not, we add more people from social. 16:46:32 +1 16:47:06 That should be enough. 16:47:10 +1 16:47:13 but if they are going to be ops in there, they should also be in there 16:47:24 i try to be 16:47:37 it is a pain to have to paste what was going on to get action 16:47:53 EvilBob, you pinged me in the middle of the night here. Sorry. You know i'm always around to op in social. 16:48:00 EvilBob: good point. However it would at least make it easier to find someone who can do something. 16:48:29 thomasj: I know 16:48:46 nirik, anyway to add Bob to that as well 16:48:46 EvilBob: we could have a seperate list for social, but how do we decide who is on it? 16:49:29 they can be totally seperate perms from fedora. 16:49:30 nirik, as thomasj always say, give it to people who deserve it, have been around for quite some time 16:49:34 nirik, we could just add bob to the bot and be done 16:49:38 If you ask for EvilBob as op in #fedora-social.. +1 here 16:49:43 I hate being an op, but there is a hole i the coverage of that channel, for the good of the community I am willing 16:50:13 I'm fine with that, I just want us to have a known procedure/etc for that. Vote from the fedora ops + social ops? or ? 16:50:47 i motion that bob be added to the ops in the bot for both #fedora and social 16:50:49 Should all the fedora ops be added to the bot for social as well? 16:50:59 for now yes 16:51:22 nirik: +1 16:51:24 I just would rather not be in th access list, I would rather use the bot so bans are autoreleased and such, actually muting in there is better anyhow 99% of the time 16:51:54 well, for #fedora we need a vote of existing ops, right? 16:52:03 yes 16:52:15 I can mail everyone and we can vote on that next week? 16:52:18 well for the access list, this is new ground with the bot 16:52:46 for now we can: op bot in #fedora-social, add EvilBob to the list there and all the fedora ops. Then see if we need any further action moving forward? 16:52:54 * thomasj thinks kicking with bot or direct is the same action. Able to kick is able to kick 16:52:59 nirik: sounds good 16:53:04 +1 16:53:11 any objections to that plan? 16:53:13 nirik, 16:53:21 nirik, +1 16:54:18 ok. Don't hear any objections. 16:54:24 shall we move on? 16:54:28 yep 16:54:28 nirik: yes 16:54:35 #topic meeting time 16:54:51 So, this has been our meeting time for a while, but I note that the board is holding their public irc meeting now. 16:54:54 as they have been lately. 16:55:02 Do we want to move our meeting time? or just not care? 16:55:12 the latter 16:55:20 nirik: nope, it is only what once a month? 16:55:23 maybe skip the week that the board has theirs? 16:55:31 if we move something else will happen 16:55:40 +1 to not care 16:55:40 Southern_Gentlem: +1 16:55:41 yeah, I think it's every other week or something... 16:55:42 Just have it an hour earlier on the day they would have it 16:55:45 Southern_Gentlem: yeah, prolly so. 16:56:05 hiemanshu: good idea, but that would put it too early for me. ;( 16:56:13 hiemanshu, this is lunchtime for some of us 16:56:21 not that the FABmeeting matters, it is never announced in enough channels so people that are impacted show up 16:56:29 otherwise couldnt attend 16:56:33 How about later then? 16:56:51 later could be ok for me... but might make it too late for others. ;( 16:56:52 or just hold the meeting else where 16:56:58 We can always drop the meeting if there's a "important" FAB meeting. 16:57:20 if we have something to meet about we meet otherwise we can cancel 16:57:22 hiemanshu: location is not the issue 16:57:48 ok, just thought I would bring up the topic on the schedule... sounds like most folks are ok with just keeping it here. 16:57:49 * Sonar_Guy motions we keep the status quo!! 16:58:21 Sonar_Guy: +1 16:58:22 most of us monitor several channels at a time anyway 16:58:34 ok. 16:58:36 And FAB meetings are not hard to follow. 16:58:37 #topic Open Floor 16:58:44 any items for open floor? 16:59:08 nope 16:59:36 * nirik will close out the meeting here in a few if nothing comes up. 17:00:20 FAB meetings should get spammed to every #fedora* channel IMO 17:00:34 true 17:00:48 I thought they were. 17:00:55 nope 17:01:08 it is rare that I know it is happening until almost over or completely over 17:01:16 Humm... I saw: Announcement from my owner (stickster): Fedora Board IRC meeting in ~25 minutes -- refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC for details 17:01:32 nirik: but that is only in a few channel 17:01:32 on all the fedora channels I'm on. ;) 17:01:32 s 17:01:40 well, it should be all of them zodbot is on. 17:01:50 For example not in -social 17:01:51 nirik: sure but the bot is not in all 17:02:07 In -kde since a few days, since we have zodbot in 17:02:19 I don't see it in #fedora 17:02:45 It was in #fedora 17:03:03 yeah I did see it 17:03:09 it was, it's just hard to see in the see of stuff. 17:03:17 yup 17:03:30 Should be in red and blinking.. eeww 17:03:33 oh well, perhaps we can make it look better. ;) 17:03:42 schedule the bot to announce it 30, 15 and NOW 17:03:45 anyhow, thanks for coming everyone. 17:03:54 later all 17:04:15 #endmeeting