20:00:14 <mmcgrath> #startmeeting
20:00:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 20:00:14 2009 UTC.  The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:12 <ricky> Clearly, nobody noticed because the "m" was lowercased :-)
20:01:19 <mmcgrath> Who all is here?
20:01:25 <mmcgrath> #topic Who is here
20:01:27 * ricky 
20:01:33 * bochecha is around
20:01:37 <Ccielogs> I am :)
20:01:38 * a-k is here
20:01:52 <Ccielogs> #info
20:02:06 * mdomsch somewhat
20:02:43 * abadger1999 here
20:03:09 <leemwilliams> thought I'd stop by ;)
20:03:23 <mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started
20:03:26 <mmcgrath> #topic Change Freeze
20:03:29 <mmcgrath> Just a reminder...
20:03:31 <mmcgrath> we are change frozen!
20:03:34 * thekadafk is hanging for a minute before heading out to eat
20:03:50 <mmcgrath> Check the list for directions on knowing whether or not something can be changed.
20:04:00 * nirik is sorta kind here in the back.
20:04:10 <mmcgrath> Any questions on that?
20:04:36 <mmcgrath> Ok, so next topic
20:04:42 <mmcgrath> #topic The Beta Release
20:04:47 <mmcgrath> Lets get some tickets together.
20:05:26 <mmcgrath> First ticket is the new website
20:05:29 <mmcgrath> ricky: you on that one as usual?
20:06:03 <ricky> Yup, and other websites people have been helping a lot more with the release stuff too
20:06:26 <mmcgrath> ricky: ok, go ahead and accept
20:06:28 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1709
20:06:29 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1709 (f12-beta website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1709
20:07:03 <mmcgrath> Anyone with access already want to get
20:07:05 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1710
20:07:06 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1710 (Verify Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1710
20:07:53 <mmcgrath> Ok, I'll go ahead and take that one.
20:08:14 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1711
20:08:15 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1711 (Release day ticket) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1711
20:08:22 <mmcgrath> that's a release day ticket, just a tracking one.  I'll accept that one.
20:08:29 <mmcgrath> smooge: you around?
20:09:03 <mmcgrath> k, next ticket is
20:09:05 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1712
20:09:06 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1712 (verify releng permissions) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1712
20:09:08 <smooge> I am here
20:09:15 <mmcgrath> This is to verify we don't accidentally leak permissions
20:09:21 <mmcgrath> smooge: hey do you want some of these beta tickets?
20:09:25 <smooge> mmcgrath, sorry I went to get my theraflu
20:09:28 <mmcgrath> 1710 and 1712 would be good ones.
20:09:37 <smooge> I will take them
20:09:47 <mmcgrath> smooge: k, go ahead and accept them.
20:09:57 <smooge> 09,10,11, and 12?
20:10:03 <smooge> or just 10 and 12?
20:10:19 <mmcgrath> just 10 and 12
20:10:24 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1713
20:10:25 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1713 (MM Redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1713
20:10:26 <smooge> thanks.. doing so
20:10:28 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: you want to get this one?
20:10:54 <mdomsch> sure
20:11:05 <mdomsch> though if the release number is 11.9[0123] it's done
20:11:15 <mmcgrath> :)
20:11:33 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: k, if it's already done go ahead and close that ticket.
20:11:38 <mdomsch> done
20:11:51 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1714
20:11:53 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1714 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1714
20:11:57 <mmcgrath> this one is in place already
20:12:48 <mmcgrath> Ok then
20:12:54 <mmcgrath> here's the page - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9
20:13:00 <mmcgrath> That look reasonable to everyone?
20:14:24 <smooge> one sec
20:15:23 <smooge> looks good.
20:15:28 <mmcgrath> Ok
20:15:37 <mmcgrath> so now the thing that, at present, isn't looking so hot....
20:15:40 <mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/milestone/Fedora%2012
20:15:46 <mmcgrath> So lets go through these.
20:16:24 <mmcgrath> mchua: ping
20:16:50 <mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping
20:17:01 <smooge> wow thats a lot of tickets
20:17:10 <mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, especially this late in the game.
20:17:28 <smooge> I read that as Fedora 2012.. was wondering why we were doing Mayan calender DOOOM
20:17:39 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: ping
20:17:57 <mmcgrath> ricky: ping
20:18:00 <ricky> A lot of the websites ones are are tracking that probably shouldn't have been given those milestones
20:18:01 * mmcgrath wonders where everyoen is.
20:18:04 <mmcgrath> ricky:
20:18:06 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1299
20:18:07 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1299 (Getting a Fedora 10 test server up.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1299
20:18:13 * skvidal is right here
20:18:16 <skvidal> I'm just ducking out
20:18:21 <smooge> Fedora 10 server?
20:18:45 <mmcgrath> ricky: that one's assigned to you, can it be closed?
20:18:54 <ricky> More specifically it was for a 32 bit one, which I haven't had any success with :-(
20:19:05 <mmcgrath> k
20:19:29 <ricky> If you/susmit still want to test that calendar app, then it probably shouldn't be closed yet
20:19:38 <mmcgrath> will it be done by F12?
20:20:37 <mmcgrath> ggruener: ping?
20:20:47 <mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: ping
20:20:48 <ricky> I can try building on different machines if necessary, so yes, unless the 32 bit issue I ran into applies *everywhere*
20:20:59 <mmcgrath> ricky: k, lets try
20:21:24 <ricky> I believe ibiblio1 was the only place I tried previously
20:21:48 <mmcgrath> ricky: do you know anyone that can work on
20:21:49 <mmcgrath> .ticket 1227
20:21:50 <zodbot> mmcgrath: #1227 (Hosting footer) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1227
20:21:51 <mmcgrath> ?
20:22:01 <mmcgrath> lmacken: ping
20:22:03 <mmcgrath> ianweller: ping
20:22:21 <mdomsch> the MM hotfixes I'll handle after change freeze
20:22:54 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: <nod>
20:23:00 <mdomsch> 1079 (icecast) may change after the Fedora Talk FAD
20:23:03 <mmcgrath> Oxf13: ping
20:23:14 <mmcgrath> mdomsch: yeah that one probably will end up at F13 final.
20:23:27 <mdomsch> most of those others aren't required for F12
20:24:08 <mmcgrath> Ok, so this is going nowhere fast.  I'm going to move on in the meeting and continue this on list
20:24:15 <mmcgrath> anyone have any issues with that?
20:24:37 <mdomsch> +1
20:24:47 <smooge> +1
20:24:55 <mmcgrath> alllrighty
20:25:01 <mmcgrath> #topic New Apps Testing "matrix"
20:25:15 <mmcgrath> so one thing we've been laxed on is having a good way of testing applications that get deployed.
20:25:25 <mmcgrath> this is both a technical hurdle and a policy one.
20:25:37 <mmcgrath> So I've been putting together some scripts with pythoh mechanize.
20:25:57 <mmcgrath> .tiny http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git/?p=fedora-infrastructure.git;a=tree;f=scripts/site-tests;h=148a785193f868a280d27b61adea7af2bcb61c85;hb=HEAD
20:25:59 <zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yeocsvz
20:26:00 <ggruener> mmcrath:pong
20:26:05 <ggruener> sorry im currently at work
20:26:19 <mmcgrath> ggruener: hey, I was wondering the status of ticket 1549 but we're going to take it to the list anyway :)
20:26:33 <mmcgrath> So I've created a small testing script for mirrormanger and FAS.
20:26:42 * mdomsch bows
20:26:46 <mmcgrath> my hope is that these will continue to evolve over time and get used every time we do an update, etc, etc.
20:26:58 <mmcgrath> any time we miss something, it gets added to the script.  We won't miss it again.
20:27:14 <mmcgrath> it's actually not terribly difficult to use.  The python code is messy because it's very 'step 1, step 2, step 3'
20:27:20 <mmcgrath> but it's pretty easy to see what's going on there.
20:27:44 <mmcgrath> also I'm trying to do a good job of incorperating not just 'does it work or 500' but also including baseline performance data for comparison.
20:28:24 <mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions or comments on those?
20:29:05 <mmcgrath> 'mmm kay
20:29:15 <mmcgrath> #topic Cumulus!
20:29:26 <mmcgrath> So the Fedora cloud stuff (code named cumulus) sort of went live(ish) this week.
20:29:29 <mmcgrath> we've got people
20:29:31 <mmcgrath> they have guests.
20:29:40 <mmcgrath> they're using them, and AFAIK, they're still being used.
20:29:51 <mmcgrath> ianweller: how's your guest been?
20:30:21 <Jeff_S> mmcgrath: where can I read more about cumulus?
20:31:20 <mmcgrath> Jeff_S: this is about all we have documented atm - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/FedoraCloud
20:31:46 <mmcgrath> unfortunately the web interface is just not general public ready at this time.
20:31:47 <Jeff_S> thanks
20:31:58 <mmcgrath> still buggy and not really useful without root on the server for troubleshooting.
20:32:03 <mmcgrath> but still, people have their guests :)
20:32:08 <mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on that?
20:32:24 <mmcgrath> Jeff_S: also the SOP - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Cloud_Infrastructure_SOP
20:33:03 <mmcgrath> Allrighty
20:33:09 <mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor
20:33:13 <mmcgrath> I'm opening the floor
20:33:19 <mmcgrath> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
20:33:21 <smooge> was thinking of using his cloud for cracking DES passwords
20:33:25 <mmcgrath> Any new people around that'd like to say hi?
20:33:26 <smooge> not really
20:33:33 <smooge> hi to the new people
20:33:34 <ggruener> mmcgrath: about the ticket 1549 I am still thinking how can I create this test that i avoid to test only cvs
20:33:49 <abadger1999> Anyone know if we have electionscoming up?
20:33:51 <leemwilliams> yep, I'm new thought I'd stop by say hello see how things work etc.
20:33:51 <mmcgrath> ggruener: if it won't be done by F12 please move it to F13 :)
20:33:53 <Jeff_S> I'm not new, but I don't usually watch these meetings...  so, "hi"
20:33:54 <Ccielogs> well not technical but I would like to say "hi" and eventually introduce myself :)
20:33:57 <mmcgrath> stickster: do you know?
20:33:59 <mmcgrath> leemwilliams: helo
20:34:02 <mmcgrath> Ccielogs: hello!
20:34:35 <mmcgrath> leemwilliams: I see you've sent your intro
20:34:41 <mmcgrath> Ccielogs: have you sent yours?
20:34:56 <abadger1999> Grretings new people.  The meeting is only part of the fun :-)
20:34:58 <Ccielogs> yup in the ML as Daniele
20:35:02 <mdomsch> abadger1999, elections need to be just after Thanksgiving
20:35:08 <mdomsch> so, yes, but "not quite yet"
20:35:14 <mdomsch> abadger1999, you want to run them this time? :-)
20:35:24 <mdomsch> or inode0 ?
20:35:34 <mmcgrath> Ccielogs: ah, welcome!
20:35:42 <Ccielogs> <mmcgrath> ccielogs is my FAS username and what usually I use in here
20:35:45 <abadger1999> mdomsch: heh  I just want to make sure we close the CSRF ticket by then:
20:35:48 <leemwilliams> yep, I did see the reply but I'm not so sure on what I want to work on for you guys ;) I do like the dev stuff and that's where my skill set is
20:35:50 <mmcgrath> Ccielogs: sure
20:35:53 <abadger1999> .ticket 992
20:35:53 <zodbot> abadger1999: #992 (CSRF) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/992
20:35:58 <abadger1999> Elections is the only app left to do.
20:36:01 <smooge> oh open floor item: PHX1 -> PHX2 move
20:36:09 <mdomsch> smooge, yes please
20:36:14 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: think it'll be done by F12?
20:36:30 <abadger1999> mmcgrath: It could be -- the code is written we just have to deploy
20:36:45 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: <nod>
20:36:52 <mmcgrath> abadger1999: anything else on that?  if not we'll talk about the move.
20:36:59 <Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks :) I even applied to the sysadmin group and I'll wait for someone giving me a chance to prove useful to the community :)
20:37:08 <mmcgrath> Ccielogs: I'll approve you now
20:37:13 <abadger1999> nope, go on to the move.
20:37:14 <mmcgrath> leemwilliams: have you applied / been approved?
20:37:25 <Ccielogs> mmcgrath: thanks a lot!
20:37:29 <leemwilliams> not applied, I'll apply to the dev group most likely.
20:37:39 <mmcgrath> leemwilliams: k, let me know when you do, I'll approve.
20:37:47 <leemwilliams> mmcgrath, cheers
20:38:06 <mmcgrath> Ok, the move
20:38:09 <smooge> ok moving right along footloose and fancy free.
20:38:16 <mmcgrath> I've not really heard much since last week.
20:38:22 <mmcgrath> my meeting with Eric this week got cancelled.
20:38:32 <mmcgrath> I've got some servers on order.  not sure when they'll be in yet
20:38:36 * mmcgrath follows up and asks about that.
20:38:46 * mdomsch hears smooge's kermit voice
20:39:00 <smooge> with my cold at the moment.. thats about right
20:39:26 <mdomsch> (the room is too young to remember the first Muppet Movie)
20:39:27 <mmcgrath> Also we may be getting 4 additional servers from another group inside RH that doesn't need them anymore.
20:39:31 <mmcgrath> not sure about the specs or timeline yet.
20:40:04 <smooge> our main issues will be dealing with any slippage from current release date.
20:40:15 <mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, that would be uber bad.
20:40:17 <smooge> So please heavily test the beta when it comes out and rawhide
20:40:36 <smooge> I would rather not be in PHX during Thanksgiving.. but hey
20:40:37 <mmcgrath> indeed!
20:40:42 <mdomsch> F12 and opensuse 11.2 are planned the same week
20:40:48 <mmcgrath> now that we're frozen I'm sure we can all find time to do one test in the QA test matrix.
20:41:01 <smooge> mmcgrath, pointer please :)
20:41:10 <sijis> where's that matrix?
20:41:14 <ggruener> mmcgrath: can you send the URL to the QA test matrix
20:41:45 <ggruener> i always forget the url:)
20:42:10 <mmcgrath> This was the F11 QA one
20:42:11 <mmcgrath> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results
20:42:15 <mmcgrath> they change quite a bit.
20:42:40 <mmcgrath> You can see A) how it goes and B) we totally need hands and fingers doing these tests.
20:42:54 <mmcgrath> jlaska: you around?
20:42:58 <sijis> mmcgrath: thanks.
20:43:25 <jlaska> mmcgrath: sure am, what's up?
20:43:31 <mmcgrath> I'll find out from the QA team what the plan is this time around and send it to the... oh there he is now.
20:43:42 <mmcgrath> jlaska: hey do you know what the F12 beta version of this is - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_11_Alpha_Install_Test_Results ?
20:43:47 <mmcgrath> or where it's going to be?
20:43:59 <jlaska> the official beta release candidate version isn't live yet
20:44:06 <jlaska> but ... we have the beta test compose page still active ...
20:44:09 <a-k> There's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_TC_Install_Test_Results
20:44:16 <jlaska> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_Beta_TC_Install
20:44:38 <mmcgrath> jlaska: thanks, just prepping some of the Infrastructure people what to expect and where they can find it :)
20:44:41 <jlaska> we have a beta matrix up ... but won't start the ball on that until the RC hits
20:44:51 <jlaska> mmcgrath: much appreciated thanks!
20:45:17 <jlaska> mmcgrath: lili is interested in ways to improve this manual process in the short-term.  As always, ideas and suggestions are welcome+encouraged :)
20:45:26 <mmcgrath> jlaska: <nod> sounds good.
20:45:45 <mmcgrath> anyone have any other questions?
20:46:04 <leemwilliams> yep
20:46:26 <leemwilliams> are there specific test environements or is it best to setup our own shop?
20:46:40 <mmcgrath> always best to setup your own if you can, but we do have publictest servers available
20:47:17 <leemwilliams> would you be happy with a virtualised test env? just getting F11 up to how I need it :)
20:47:24 <mmcgrath> yep, most of our stuff is virtualized
20:47:31 <leemwilliams> cool
20:48:21 <Ccielogs> great
20:48:22 <mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else?
20:48:33 * leemwilliams is a recent windows convert
20:49:13 <mmcgrath> leemwilliams: welcome :)
20:49:33 <mmcgrath> If no one has anything else we'll close in 30
20:50:18 <mmcgrath> #endmeeting