20:04:23 #startmeeting 20:04:23 Meeting started Tue Oct 6 20:04:23 2009 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:54 #topic roll call 20:04:57 Who's here? 20:04:58 * rbergeron 20:05:14 rbergeron, stickster, ianweller, ke4qqq, Sparks, et al - ping 20:05:24 * stickster 20:05:26 (partly) 20:06:25 * mchua notes that people usually at this meeting have been working on things like zikula modules instead of coming to meetings (which is totally fine in my book ;) 20:06:45 Ok, topic list for today 20:06:47 * Marketing research - plans for FUDCon? 20:06:47 * Feature profiles - we need one more taker! 20:06:48 * Fedora Insight 20:07:01 * priming the PR pumps 20:07:14 * what's happening between beta and General Availability (GA) 20:07:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda 20:07:26 this should be pretty quick :) 20:07:27 shall we begin? 20:07:34 #topic Marketing research - FUDCon plans? 20:07:35 * rbergeron votes yes 20:07:44 rbergeron: all yours :) 20:08:03 Okay... can we clarify the FUDCon plans part of that topic :) 20:08:13 and by we i mean you 20:08:21 mchua :) 20:08:32 * mchua pulls up Marketing reseach wiki page 20:08:39 * rbergeron has some stuff on the market research stuff, but not much on the FUDCon end yet. 20:08:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research 20:09:06 other than, there will (hopefully be) stuff to present at fudcon (or at least discuss) and a survey for the fudcon folks. 20:09:10 rbergeron: well, the situation is that you've got a bunch of Marketing folks who'll be at FUDCon and can deploy just about... anything market-research-ish you'd like. 20:09:14 * mchua nods 20:09:20 right 20:09:24 rbergeron: basically, thou hast minions at FUDCon. what is thy will? 20:09:38 the plan tentantively is that some research will be done prior to fudcon, since that would be a good time to actually discuss results. 20:10:04 so, with that, I have ... a few questions. 20:10:24 well, and I"ll say that I have a question list done, to send out to the mailing list, but I'm redoing the wiki page a bit this afternoon 20:10:25 go for it! 20:10:41 to be a little more organized and whatnot, since we've narrowed down the plans a little bit. 20:10:58 so that I can have some feedback on the wiki page rather than having to sort through mailing list drama (which may happen anyway) 20:11:07 so question #1: 20:11:19 we're going to have to have some sort of privacy policy statement of sorts. 20:11:33 biertie: we're going to keep your information, we're not, we keep track with a cookie, or whatever is decided. 20:11:49 how should that be decided (should i just make a decision and let people throw darts at it if they feel so inclined), 20:12:03 or is there some legal ... someone or another who should be deciding that? 20:12:07 ? 20:12:28 biertie: sorry, apparently my typing randomly selects people's names and inserts them randomly 20:12:37 * mchua looks to see if we have privacy policy stuff on the wiki 20:12:38 haha, ok, no problem :) 20:12:39 * rbergeron is not sure what's up with the irk client 20:12:41 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Privacy_policy 20:12:58 that seems to be from aug '08 20:13:00 #link http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-announce-list@redhat.com/msg01391.html 20:13:04 that's an email from spot 20:13:22 Fedora collects personal information when: 20:13:22 you create a user account; 20:13:22 you participate in surveys and evaluations; 20:13:37 * rbergeron notes that sometimes using a wiki combined with search could solve 99% of her questions 20:13:51 also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraProject:Privacy_policy#Cookies_and_Other_Browser_Information 20:13:57 rbergeron: nah, asking is good too :) 20:14:13 * mchua hasn't really read this stuff before either, mm learningness! 20:14:17 rbergeron: is that the kind of thing you need? 20:14:38 so I could probably do something like, stuff in this survey is collected in accordance with the htmlized privacy policy 20:14:58 click on that word to read it , etc 20:15:14 esp since it includes the language about surveys 20:15:23 that sounds like a plan to me. 20:15:31 yes, i think it is mchua :) 20:15:38 okay. questions #2 - 20:16:01 i'm guessing we will need a subdomain of sorts to run the survey on 20:16:05 woo! 20:16:09 * rbergeron is guessing now that there is probably a wikipage on that as well 20:16:18 survey.fedoraproject.org 20:16:33 * mchua doesn't actually know the answer to that one 20:16:35 * mchua searchy... 20:17:16 ...ooh 20:17:16 * rbergeron assumes that it does make sense though :) 20:17:17 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Local_community_domains#Pre-purchased_domain 20:17:20 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Local_community_domains#Pre-purchased_domain 20:17:29 yeah, i was just reading that. 20:18:01 i wasn't really thinking fedorasurveys.org ... more just a subdomain 20:18:01 sounds like stickster et al would be the ones able to wave the magic wand. 20:18:10 on survey.fedoraprojectorg 20:18:15 and there is info on doing a subdomain of fedoracommunity.org 20:18:36 but i'm not sure if it should go there... it doesn't really seem like it should, but i suppose it would be kosher 20:18:51 stickster: ^^? 20:19:49 What's the question? 20:19:52 rbergeron: I think the thing to do would be to put an "I would like these domain names, in order of preference, which is the first acceptable one?" request to the board - that's my best guess - and let them pull the fedora infrastructure lever on whichever name they deem most appropriate 20:19:52 survey.fedoraproject.org 20:20:24 stickster: *.fedoraproject.org domain names, approval process same as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Local_community_domains#Pre-purchased_domain (for *.fedoracommunity.org domains)? 20:20:29 The "Local community domains" page concerns international community-run domains, not services to be run on Fedora infrastructure, which is what I take it you guys want to do with surveys, right? 20:20:36 stickster: yes 20:20:55 *.fp.o domains are simply put up by Infrastructure to support services we, the Fedora Project, are going to run and be responsible for ourselves 20:21:08 So you'd just to have to work with Infrastructure to get that established 20:21:20 There's no special blessing needed by the Board 20:21:23 okay 20:21:41 Make sense? 20:21:41 cool 20:21:41 * mchua nods 20:21:41 thanks! 20:21:42 rbergeron: next question? :) 20:21:58 * rbergeron didn't have another written down, and then thought of one, and now has lost it out of her brain 20:22:11 * rbergeron grasps at her remaining straws 20:22:43 okay, no dice. feel free to move on 20:22:55 * rbergeron just wanted to get things answered in case they took a while to get going 20:23:08 rbergeron: good call :) 20:23:10 particularly the privacy policy stuff...i know legal stuff can be fun on occasion 20:23:27 oh! 20:23:30 thanks rbergeron! so will we be getting a bunch of mailing list traffic on the survey stuff then? 20:23:30 * rbergeron remembers 20:23:35 yes. 20:23:49 i need the wiki revised a litttle first so that people aren't insanely confused 20:24:03 * mchua goes ooh, third question! and listens 20:24:10 so_solid_moo: at some point we're going to have to figure out how to get the traffic from point a (whatever that is) and point b (the survey). 20:24:33 * mchua thinks we need to get rbergeron a better irc client ;) 20:24:35 o/ 20:24:36 So, I'd suggest that maybe when poeple are going to fp.org or whatever, that there is something... sort of noticeable 20:24:39 GAH 20:24:50 * rbergeron needs to get out of terminal but is really attached to screen 20:24:53 sorry moo. 20:25:27 so_solid_moo: what needs to be done to ... get things put in place if others deem it appropriate 20:25:30 crap 20:25:44 fail :P 20:25:46 * rbergeron notes that logs must be really fun to read 20:25:53 pretty much :( 20:25:58 :) 20:25:58 * mchua nearly falls out of chair laughing 20:26:22 * rbergeron notes that the name doesn't even show up in the line.... it just magically appears after typing 20:26:48 * rbergeron clearly has a case of the pebkac 20:26:58 so. mchua: thoughts on that :) 20:27:15 if i would like to request some sort of front-pageish link 20:27:25 i'd imagine there is a timeline or something going on there. 20:27:26 rbergeron: I'd say we can spin up some marketing shiny, probably with Design's help, for an addition to the front-page banner rotation 20:27:30 (top left corner of http://fedoraproject.org/) 20:27:33 right 20:27:50 not sure who makes the final call on that, I'd guess a combo of Design and Websites, meaning mizmo and ricky are the ones to ask 20:27:58 (of which banners get into that rotation, I mean) 20:28:04 * rbergeron nods 20:28:05 okay 20:28:10 that's really all i have then 20:28:16 I think having "take the survey!" buttons available = also a good idea 20:28:18 * rbergeron will be quiet so as to not harass moo :) 20:28:26 rbergeron: i think you should ask that question to the mailing list and I'll do my response braindump there :) 20:28:32 will do 20:28:48 in general, totally feel free to braindump/speculate/think-out-loud on the mailing list; I'd like it to be more a discussion list and less an announce list 20:29:01 (translation: traffic is good) 20:29:05 right 20:29:30 next! 20:29:33 #action rbergeron to email fedora-marketing-list copiously on marketing research stuff ;) 20:29:44 careful what you wish for :) 20:29:52 *grin* 20:29:52 * mchua grins 20:29:55 #topic feature profiles 20:30:54 rbergeron: you mentioned last week that you might be interested in taking one of them? 20:31:04 mchua: see mailing list 20:31:08 from today :) 20:31:08 stickster is doing one (systemtap), I'm doing another (virtualization) 20:31:11 * mchua looks 20:31:23 * rbergeron is taking kind of a generalized desktop, including some stuff on networkmanager 20:31:39 rbergeron: ROCK ON! 20:31:40 stickster pinged the list a few hours ago. 20:32:02 so now i'm hoping to actually get this whole podcast thing functioning 20:32:05 :D 20:32:12 * mchua edits page 20:32:23 rbergeron: If you combine that with new PackageKit features, new DeviceKit stuff, and so forth, you've got a pretty good assortment of end-user visible things 20:32:25 WOO! I think we're covered for feature profiles then 20:32:39 i think stickster mentioned we could still have someone do something more indepth on Ogg 20:32:41 in the mail 20:32:47 and the three of us can pass notes back and forth on the mailing list as needed 20:33:03 rbergeron: Right, or (if it's more interesting to someone) something on, say, ABRT, which almost made the cut for talking points 20:33:03 * mchua nods, looks at ogg feature 20:33:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Thusnelda 20:33:18 * stickster thinks focusing on something that reports crashes is not a good talking point, marketing-wise 20:33:37 I think you should absorb the NetworkManager stuff into the overall 20:33:38 Desktop feature. As for Ogg, that one is still open for a taker. 20:33:38 Someone could add an in-depth feature they feel strongly about -- like 20:33:38 ABRT, for instance. 20:33:51 so we're looking for someone who'd want to interview Christopher Montgomery (xiphmont), AdamJackson 20:34:00 ABRT makes a great feature *in context*, which podcasts provide 20:34:01 oh look, i'm cutting and pasting while you're typing. 20:34:11 hee hee 20:34:14 oh hey, they're both in Westford. Hm. 20:34:25 We should note that there is an Ogg Theora spotlight video forthcoming from Red Hat as well 20:34:36 stickster: oh, should we not do that for non-redundancy then? 20:35:35 mchua: he goe by monty :) 20:35:38 s/goe/goes 20:36:02 stickster: something that reports crashes could be interesting if it was put in the context of "great for developers doing crazy coding stuffs" 20:36:18 mizmo: noted, danke :) (was copypasting wiki page) 20:36:44 mizmo: hm, think I could leave my sound recorder at Westford and then bribe people with cookies to sit down over lunch and talk about their features? 20:36:54 mchua: absolutely 20:37:02 lol 20:37:05 maybe we should set up a fun room 20:37:09 you could have your recorder for interviews 20:37:19 #action mchua to leave sound recorder @ westford, bribe people with cookies to sit down and talk into it 20:37:20 and on the other side maybe adjacent room i could have the usability lab set up 20:37:26 and we could have cookies and pizza and other tempting treats 20:37:33 :) 20:37:40 * mchua likes this idea. 20:37:50 * mchua is so totally up for office-hacking when I return to Boston in December 20:37:59 ...presumably with a car so I can actually, ah, get to the office 20:38:04 anyhoo 20:38:15 feature profiles, we have three, and mechanisms for generating more. 20:38:27 and we can talk on-list about the feature profile work we're doing 20:38:37 and I think we're ok on this then, and anything more we get will be a bonus. 20:39:07 next topic! 20:39:26 #topic Fedora Insight 20:39:35 We are SO close to the finish line - one week and one day more of hard running, and we'll be DONE. (For this round, anyway!) 20:39:36 mchua: Sorry, talking with monty's manager as we speak :-) 20:39:46 stickster is multitask god 20:39:54 all hail stickster 20:39:56 launch date is a week from tomorrow, ulp 20:40:02 but we are looking good 20:40:03 mchua: I don't mind doubling up... we *need* to trumpet the Ogg Theora stuff, since Red Hat put a lot of work into it 20:40:06 * rbergeron gets out the tin foil hat 20:40:14 Eeek! Hail 20:40:18 * stickster puts up an umbrella 20:40:22 #info Ogg Theora needs to be trumpeted 20:40:36 FI in a nutshell: 20:40:40 on the tech/infra side, all modules except for WYSIWYG are more or less through review at this point; legal, etc. blockers clearing 20:40:53 except for WYSIWYG; need WYSIWYG module packaged, tested, deployed. 20:41:05 however, lack of WYSIWYG is not a blocker (more of a serious inconvenience) 20:41:30 it's something that can be fixed after launch, in any case. 20:41:31 it will be a great enhancement to announce as soon as it's ready :) 20:41:47 rbergeron: ...I like the way you frame things. :) 20:41:52 fedora insight...now with wysiwyg 20:42:00 workflow: need FWN workflow figured out - Pascal is on top of that, we're good 20:42:11 the News team is meeting Thursday and then again on Monday to nail this down 20:42:33 we need to have whatever plugins they'll be using up by then, so thursday afternoon is the wysywig go/no-go for next Wednesday date 20:42:52 so I'll be screaming towards the wysiwyg finish line before then, but it's a coin toss right now. 20:43:16 #action mchua chase down wysiwyg for FI yes/no decision before FWN's Thursday meeting 20:43:29 target date for handoff to mmcgrath for staging is tomorrow evening 20:44:02 design is... well, the live-or-die blockers are done except for 3 of them 20:44:54 I think we mostly need someone to sit in #fedora-design, #fedora-infra, and #fedora-websites for the next 48h and try to get people to take them on 20:45:45 none are hugely insurmountable, but they require a fluency with tinkering with css/js that I know I personally don't have (i.e. it's faster for me to try to find someone than to try to learn to do it) 20:46:01 I'll try to do this when I'm online, which is late-at-night US time since I don't sleep, but help appreciated 20:46:10 tickets in question: 20:46:13 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/53 20:46:17 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/56 20:46:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/58 20:46:38 the last one is being taken by Affix but hasn't had update for 4 days. 20:47:12 finally, content; I need to ping dufflebag and Paul Johnson about fedora-fun-tasks and Planet post repurposing, respectively. JonRob has also indicated interest in helping out 20:47:23 mizmo: can haz dufflebag ping help? 20:47:33 53 looks like at least there is a backup plan of sorts. 20:47:38 lemme see if i can get a hold of him 20:47:40 #action mchua ping dufflebag, Paul Johnson, JonRob about loading up the content queue. 20:47:43 * mchua nods 20:48:21 rbergeron: yeah, I think our worst case scenario is "take 3h and do a sprint" which will give us FWN and some repurposed Planet content 20:48:27 which is really, really, not that bad at all 20:49:06 Any questions on FI? 20:49:18 I think that it's one of those things that once we launch it and it's working smoothly it will make our lives *so* much easier 20:49:39 because then we can focus on strategy, contents, etc. rather than the tech logistics of where to post things, how to put up infra for it, etc etc 20:49:56 we also need FUDCon hackfest plans for zikula stuff for FI 20:50:04 #action mchua send request for zikula hack wishlist to mktg list 20:50:21 #action mchua work with itbegins, Sparks, others who are interested, to make a zikula hackfest plan 20:50:34 I think that's all for FI 20:50:49 stickster: ping 20:51:09 #topic PR stuff + what's happening between Beta and General Availability 20:51:38 I'd like to get an overview of what's going on between now and GA, because Beta is almost upon us. 20:51:45 (~2wk) 20:52:10 * stickster returns 20:52:12 OK, let me get out my big master timeline 20:52:27 * stickster waits for it to load 20:52:30 stickster: while you do that, I'll braindump what I have so far 20:52:32 OK, 20:52:52 basically I see us shifting into PR mode for the last stretch of this release 20:52:56 I'm currently working on procuring USB keys to send out to journalists, along with an update of the one-sheet that goes with themn 20:53:11 working on things like the feature profiles, press kits (which we need to start on now), release note shiny-ifying (Docs writes them, we make them into marketing stuffs) 20:53:15 * mchua EOF 20:53:19 stickster: your turn 20:53:29 Kara Schiltz is working already on the Red Hat press release for F12 GA 20:53:30 #action start working on press kits 20:53:53 Thee will be a press blog entry from RH for the F12 Beta 20:54:00 Kara and I are working on that as well 20:54:26 I'm hoping to have the SystemTap podcast done next week for a 10/14 release 20:54:55 There will be a video release around 10/20 of either the virt video we shot at Summit, or the Ogg video I mentioned previously -- whichever is ready first. 20:55:03 s/There will be/There *should* be/ 20:55:20 These are in the Creative pipe but in the end they are the ones that produce the media. 20:55:34 We're on their schedule and those videos are in progress. 20:55:54 Around Oct 27th, we'd like to have another podcast to spotlight 20:55:59 either virt or desktop stuff 20:56:19 Creative == Red Hat Creative: input requests, and they output Media Magic. 20:56:20 mchua: rbergeron: Do you think there are any objections to Red Hat making a press blog entry that points back to those interviews? 20:56:25 mchua: Thanks :-) 20:56:27 stickster: can't think of any. 20:56:27 mchua: we can check with our respective interviewees 20:56:34 to see what their schedules are 20:56:39 * mchua nods 20:56:46 and then figure out which ones can go first, if that's kosher 20:56:49 * stickster notes that in cases where the interviewees are RH employees, it should e no problem. 20:56:56 s/ e / be / 20:57:02 yeah, hence the "I don't think mine will be a problem" bit :) 20:57:14 oh 20:57:21 also, they'll be online and open-licensed anyway, won't they? 20:57:21 * rbergeron notes this question might be aimed in her direction then :) 20:57:32 stickster: so anyone could point to them 20:57:35 I think they're usuall CC BY-NC-SA 20:57:39 * rbergeron has no issues 20:57:43 * stickster fires another typist 20:58:02 * rbergeron is pretty sure her non-existent employer has no issues either 20:58:02 stickster: I thought you went through your Q3 allocation already 20:58:14 I think that's everything up through Oct 30. 20:58:16 stickster: oh, would the NC part cause issues? 20:58:17 sorry, Oct 31. 20:58:20 * rbergeron is also pretty sure that the hubby won't mind 20:58:26 mchua: It just means you can't put it on the Fedora wiki. 20:58:29 You can *point* to it. 20:58:31 mmm. halloween! 20:58:41 and on october 31 we all party! 20:58:44 You can even copy it and redistribute it, as long as you're redistributing from a point that's non-commercial 20:58:54 mchua: I may have that wrong 20:58:59 It might be "ND" not "NC" 20:59:04 Sorry, can't recall off the top of my head. 20:59:19 #action mchua doublecheck on content licensing for FI to see what we should slap on the bottom of the footer 20:59:33 (I would assume the same thing as we do for Docs/wiki) 20:59:40 but having bases covered == good 20:59:41 That's CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported. 20:59:52 * mchua nods 20:59:52 I doubt the Red Hat produced videos are going to be appropriate. 20:59:54 That's OK. 21:00:00 Yeah, that's ok. 21:00:04 We can still link out to them where needed. 21:00:07 * mchua nods 21:00:17 * mchua is out of things for today - anything else anyone wants to bring up? 21:00:18 mchua: Can I have two more minutes? 21:00:32 stickster: go go go! 21:00:34 * stickster notes he has a really heavy schedule from now through immediately post-release. 21:01:12 * mchua is on the road a somewhat ridiculous amount as well between now + FUDCon at the start of Dec 21:01:17 Oct 7-11: Utah for UTOSC -- Oct 12-14: Raleigh for Community Architecture meetings -- Oct 22-25: FAD Fedora Talk 2009 -- November 6-13: Australia for $DAYJOB meetings 21:01:55 So it's super-important that we keep communication open and flowing on the list. 21:02:20 I'll do my best to keep everyone updated on what's going on in Red Hat PR and offering opinions where you want/need them. 21:02:51 mchua: efo 21:02:58 Aw for pete's sake. 21:03:33 Oct 6-7: Indiana for K12 Open Minds -- Oct 11-15: Raleigh for Community Architecture meetings -- Oct 22-30 OnLinux/RIT/TOSS/FSOSS -- Nov 9-13: Singapore for POSSE APAC --after that: CMU visit sometime, etc etc 21:03:47 Yeah. List conversation... 21:04:01 #agreed mailing list conversation tranparency SUPER IMPORTANT now 21:04:10 mchua: are you going to be here for meeting next week 21:04:14 #agreed Paul and Mel have travel schedules of insanity between now and release day (and probably afterwards) 21:04:17 rbergeron: Yep! 21:04:20 sweeeeet 21:04:33 rbergeron: though I may need a sub again the week I'm in Singapore ;) 21:04:41 but that's something we can figure out later, methinks 21:04:46 mchua: What we'll need to do wherever possible... 21:04:50 what! i know you want to get up at 3am to do that :) 21:04:58 is to identify crisp, small, high-value tasks 21:05:15 if we're looking for volunteer assistance beyond the stalwarts like rbergeron, dufflebag, etc. 21:05:57 +1 21:06:07 * rbergeron snickers 21:06:27 stickster, should i just ping mattias directly or do i need an introduction from you 21:06:35 ReneP: desktop interview stuff 21:07:18 gah 21:07:30 * rbergeron is totally fixing this this afternoon 21:08:08 * mchua has to run; conference things re-starting for dinner about now-ish 21:08:35 rbergeron, stickster: are we good on meeting stuff, and the two of you can continue after I stop meetbot? 21:08:43 We're good 21:08:45 * stickster has to dash too 21:09:04 rbergeron: By "dash" I mean concentrate on other things, but if you need *anything* ping me here and I'll come runnin' 21:09:48 * rbergeron nods 21:10:02 * mchua same, when not |afk - though I see messages from that time and go back and follow up on them when I get back to IRC 21:10:06 ok, we're closing for the week... 21:10:11 thanks, everyone! 21:10:12 #endmeeting