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01:00:31 <StabbyMc> Ok folks, it's that time.  Lets start the roll call.
01:00:36 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien
01:00:37 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott@mcbrien.net>
01:00:48 <crossbytes> .fas crossbytes
01:00:49 <zodbot> crossbytes: crossbytes 'Kevin Higgins' <Kevin@crossbytes.org>
01:00:55 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier
01:00:56 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' <jfsaucier@infoglobe.ca>
01:01:01 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
01:01:02 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
01:01:08 <PhrkOnLsh> .fas rrix
01:01:09 <zodbot> PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <phrkonaleash@gmail.com>
01:01:20 <VileGent> .fas Southern_Gentleman
01:01:21 <zodbot> VileGent: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@yahoo.com>
01:01:27 <inode0> .wikilink inode0
01:01:28 <zodbot> inode0: [[User:inode0|John T. Rose]]
01:01:34 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North American Ambassadors Meeting
01:02:08 <spevack> .fas mspevack
01:02:09 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack@redhat.com>
01:02:21 <StabbyMc> Ok, so this is my first time chairing the meeting, since stealing it from inode0; or maybe it was foisting...
01:02:28 <StabbyMc> Any announcements?
01:02:38 * spevack is back in your timezone :)
01:03:08 <StabbyMc> Excellent, maybe spevack can talk about Budget Review when we get to it :-)
01:03:16 <inode0> New Mexico GNU/Linux Fest is being postponed until next year
01:03:27 <Ac-town> Hey everyone
01:03:35 <StabbyMc> Our partiticipation, or the con itself?
01:03:41 <inode0> the conference
01:03:43 <spevack> The whole event
01:04:18 <Ac-town> .fas actown
01:04:19 <zodbot> Ac-town: acactown 'Acac Town' <acactown@gmail.com>
01:04:19 <inode0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 <- go sign up
01:04:32 <Ac-town> -_-, not me :P
01:04:54 <StabbyMc> inode0: so I guess we're jumping into events then?  ;-)
01:05:24 * inode0 was just reminding folks that FUDcon is approaching
01:05:55 <StabbyMc> Indeed, and for those of you who haven't heard, there are going to be busses from Boston and ...?
01:06:12 <inode0> one from Boston that I know about
01:06:24 <StabbyMc> Since flying into Boston is less expensive than Toronto.
01:06:36 <StabbyMc> For some reason I thought there was going to be one from Buffalo?
01:06:36 <inode0> it is free though if you can get to Boston before it fills up
01:07:15 <inode0> free as in courtesy of redhat
01:07:32 <StabbyMc> mizmo and spot are going to be on it, IIRC.
01:08:26 <StabbyMc> Any updates on other events, like Ohio LinuxFest?
01:09:03 <StabbyMc> VileGent, you still running point on ---^
01:09:12 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ
01:09:25 <VileGent> OLF happened and we had a great turnout of people takeing media and asking questions about fedora and the OLPC XO s
01:09:47 <VileGent> spot, pascal axelilly, and my son worked the both
01:10:06 <StabbyMc> Way to use that child labor VileGent!
01:10:07 <VileGent> booth
01:10:25 <slipp3d> child labor is good for a few things
01:10:25 <VileGent> used him at SELF why not OLF
01:10:30 <StabbyMc> Are tiny hands really better for handing out media?
01:10:34 <StabbyMc> ;-)
01:10:46 <VileGent> StabbyMc,  he is bigger than you
01:11:02 <VileGent> eof
01:11:04 <djf_jeff> I have one for Ontario Linux Fest, I try contacting the organizer but didn't receive any reply... but I got an email from Andrew Overholt
01:11:38 <djf_jeff> I want to know if we sponsor the event (it give us a booth, table and network) for 100$?
01:11:54 <inode0> yes, do it
01:12:16 <djf_jeff> good, I will reply to Andrew tomorrow morning
01:12:50 <inode0> we are trying to get some advertising for FUDcon to you as well
01:12:56 <djf_jeff> but, I don't want to bring an old topic on the table, I need an event box for this. An empty table will be wasted money
01:12:57 <inode0> have you been contacted about that yet?
01:13:02 <djf_jeff> inode0: no
01:13:31 <inode0> a table without an event box is not wasted
01:13:56 <djf_jeff> maybe, but all I have is ~25 burned dvd and my laptop
01:14:03 <inode0> you just opened a ticket for swag/media today didn't you?
01:14:38 <djf_jeff> yes, I opened it this morning
01:14:53 <djf_jeff> I currently try to find some local company for swag to get price estimate
01:15:06 <inode0> for this we just need to ship it there
01:15:33 <inode0> we are 2 weeks away at this point, right?
01:15:54 <djf_jeff> yes, two week from the Quebec events
01:16:01 <djf_jeff> a little bit more for OLF
01:17:12 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: what swag are you wanting?
01:17:22 <spevack> I have some Live CDs and some buttons that I can ship if needed.
01:17:31 <djf_jeff> anything, media, stickers, tatoos, pens, etc
01:18:10 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: those we have, what were you wanting to price out from local vendors in CA?
01:18:19 * inode0 suggests giving Brian a chance to respond - if he needs help from others to fill parts we can pitch in
01:18:33 * djf_jeff agree with inode0
01:18:54 <inode0> he might be low on media
01:18:59 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: if I produce the swag locally for cheaper than shipping it here, it can help I think
01:19:16 <StabbyMc> Ah, OK, now I understand.
01:19:56 <inode0> right, that is a longer term solution but let's see what it costs to ship stuff up
01:20:20 <inode0> might not be bad
01:20:42 <crossbytes> I have F11 media that I can send if needed... for Ontario Linux Fest and some stickers..
01:20:44 <StabbyMc> Ok, if I understand right, djf_jeff opened a Trac ticket for swag, inode0 is pricing to ship up.
01:20:51 <djf_jeff> inode0: I called UPS, but damn, it's like entering a maze... but, we can talk about this in #fedora-ambassadors
01:21:14 <StabbyMc> Other events news?
01:21:20 * inode0 is waiting for someone else to price to ship up
01:21:29 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ
01:21:56 <inode0> sponsored to join ambassadors you mean, right?
01:21:58 <VileGent> what is the event in PA this coming weekend
01:22:06 <PhrkOnLsh> yes, herlo's mentoring me, inode0
01:22:33 <inode0> we sometimes sponsor people to attend events, different thing
01:22:56 <inode0> PhrkOnLsh: why don't you introduce yourself :)
01:23:03 <PhrkOnLsh> oh, uhm, okay :-)
01:23:14 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm Ryan Rix, Fedora KDE SIG
01:23:27 <PhrkOnLsh> ABLEconf presentations coordinator, and soon to be ambassador :-)
01:23:40 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: from Pheonix?
01:24:00 <PhrkOnLsh> I wanted to see Fedora represented at ABLEconf and Clint said that I should just join Ambassadors and do it myself, so here I am
01:24:04 <PhrkOnLsh> StabbyMc: indeedy
01:24:14 <VileGent> !
01:24:22 * jds2001 here, sorry im late
01:24:36 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm going to be presenting at ABLEconf, a rehash of a presentation A. Mani did at SFD Kolkata
01:25:13 <PhrkOnLsh> and, uhm, yeah, hopefully herlo will be sending me an ambassador kit for the event; I already have a table lined up.
01:25:30 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: Sounds like you're all good to go.
01:25:44 <inode0> we'll get you more than an ambassador kit
01:25:45 <PhrkOnLsh> indeed.
01:25:59 <inode0> what dates?
01:26:02 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: herlo told me that the event wasn't in the FAmNA budget.
01:26:05 <StabbyMc> 10/24
01:26:10 <PhrkOnLsh> Oct24 (same date as OLF)
01:26:15 <PhrkOnLsh> (iirc)
01:26:19 <inode0> it wasn't but it can be
01:26:39 <PhrkOnLsh> oh okie dokie :-)
01:26:39 <inode0> whether it is or isn't in the budget we'll send you media and some swag
01:26:46 <PhrkOnLsh> okay, very cool
01:27:00 <VileGent> to cut down on confusion can we say ontario linuxfest or ohio linuxfest please
01:27:08 <StabbyMc> Other events news?
01:27:19 <PhrkOnLsh> sorry, Ontario
01:27:23 <VileGent> http://www.cposc.org/
01:27:46 * jds2001 is doing cposc
01:27:47 <inode0> PhrkOnLsh: keep poking herlo in the ribs, he is busy with UTOSC but we need to get you approved
01:27:56 <VileGent> will ship out the horizonal banners tomorrow  (been busy with funeral)
01:28:00 <jds2001> unaware of if brian will be there or not.
01:28:12 <inode0> oh no
01:28:15 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: Yeah, I will.
01:28:23 <jds2001> he's got some $DAYJOB stuff going on :/
01:28:26 <inode0> so sorry VileGent
01:28:36 <jds2001> oh, yeah :(
01:28:43 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: do I need to do anything besides poke him to get me approved?
01:29:09 <inode0> ask him one more time where things stand and I'll talk to him if there is an issue
01:29:17 <PhrkOnLsh> alright, sounds good
01:29:20 <PhrkOnLsh> thanks, inode0
01:29:46 <StabbyMc> VileGent: so what did you wantt o know about cposc?  (since jds2001 seems to know something)
01:30:46 <jds2001> we have a table, we'll need to provide extension cords
01:30:54 <jds2001> we're unable to hang anything on/from the walls
01:31:02 * spevack knows that we paid $100 in some sort of sponsorship.  We can scrounge up more budget if needed
01:31:23 <jds2001> spevack: you got my train and hotel in there too, right?
01:31:53 <VileGent> StabbyMc,  i was suppose to send brian the banner for cposc last week but family funeral got in the way
01:31:53 * inode0 notes we approved travel expenses for jds2001 last meeting
01:32:07 <inode0> to fill in for Brian on short notice
01:32:28 <StabbyMc> Where are the vertical 4F banners?
01:32:35 <VileGent> jds2001,  email me your address info and i will send you the banner
01:32:43 <VileGent> utah
01:32:48 <jds2001> VileGent: will do right after the meeting
01:32:48 <spevack> jds2001: yep, just save your receipts
01:33:07 <jds2001> spevack: i prepaid everything, can i just give you confirmations?
01:33:21 <jds2001> or do you need something saying i actually did it?
01:33:31 * jds2001 not sure what to get for the train
01:33:45 <StabbyMc> Can we get herlo to ship them to jds2001 for CPOSC?  Or do we not really care that much?
01:34:02 <jds2001> it would be great if i had them.
01:34:04 <inode0> I think he plans to if the timing works out
01:34:31 <StabbyMc> Cool.  Looks like there's a week inbetween the two events.
01:34:46 <VileGent> the plan was to send to brian
01:35:07 <VileGent> so if the plans have changed we need to let herlo know
01:35:13 <StabbyMc> So someone needs to tell herlo about the change?
01:35:17 <StabbyMc> Gah, beat me to it.
01:35:19 <VileGent> yes
01:35:25 <inode0> jds2001 owns it :)
01:35:29 <jds2001> ok :)
01:35:40 <VileGent> vertical banners tracking # to herlo 1Z69E53W0361608118
01:36:04 <StabbyMc> More events stuff?
01:36:13 <VileGent> ups
01:36:30 <StabbyMc> Events going twice
01:36:49 <PhrkOnLsh> herlo's in #f-ambassadors atm
01:36:56 * inode0 suggests getting to the budget for the guy who knows about it nods off
01:36:57 <StabbyMc> Three times...
01:37:08 <StabbyMc> OK, budget it is.
01:37:11 <inode0> before
01:37:20 * StabbyMc yields the floor to spevack
01:37:25 * herlo is here
01:37:36 <StabbyMc> herlo: too late, no banners for you.
01:37:40 <PhrkOnLsh> hahaha
01:37:43 <jds2001> herlo: i just sent you email
01:37:47 <herlo> lol
01:37:49 <herlo> okay
01:37:52 <herlo> jds2001: kk
01:38:09 <spevack> well
01:38:20 <spevack> inode0 and ke4qqq and I chatted a bit before the meeting
01:38:28 <spevack> Just to do some ballpark thinking about NA budget
01:38:46 <spevack> Past experiences w/ Media shows us that we should set aside $5k for CDs/DVDs for Fedora 12.
01:39:00 <spevack> Suggested that we also set aside about $3k for other swag.
01:39:02 <herlo> yes
01:39:23 <spevack> That gets us supplied w/ media & swag basically through the end of february, which is the end of Red Hat's fiscal year.
01:39:28 <slipp3d> any thoughts about moving to usb drive installs instead of cd /dvds????
01:39:32 <spevack> So that's $8k.  We've spent $4k already this quarter on NA.
01:39:41 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: those are more expensive, aren't they?
01:39:43 <VileGent> slipp3d,  too expensive
01:39:45 <spevack> We're tentatively setting aside another $2k for "stuff we don't know about yet"
01:39:58 <spevack> 
01:40:01 <spevack> aside from that
01:40:15 <PhrkOnLsh> er, sorry for the ping, max :-)
01:40:21 <spevack> any surplus budget in my team's Community Architecture budget is going to be funneled towards FUDCon Toronto
01:40:29 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: we've talked about going to live ISO only and stopping DVD, but haven't come to any decision.
01:40:31 <spevack> with the idea of getting more community members to the event with travel subsidies.
01:40:50 <spevack> That discussion will happen on fudcon-planning list, because pfrields needs to be part of it also.
01:41:01 <spevack> PhrkOnLsh: USBs are still too expensive, regrettably.
01:41:05 <spevack> So that's the high level budget update.
01:41:20 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: yup, that should've gone to slipp3d ;-) tab-complete fail
01:41:20 <spevack> I guess I'll yield for questions, and comments.  Basically "is there anything NA needs that it's not getting?"
01:41:33 <spevack> PhrkOnLsh: no worries
01:41:41 <spevack> EOF
01:41:48 <jds2001> spevack: a million dollars for each ambassador? :D
01:41:58 * herlo seconds jds2001's motion
01:42:01 <StabbyMc> spevack: any inkling about what Big Daddy RH is going to do about the budget in FY11?
01:42:25 * slipp3d thirds jds2001
01:42:29 <slipp3d> :D
01:42:37 * djf_jeff is away for 10 minutes
01:43:01 <spevack> StabbyMc: my current speculation would be "no significant changes" and if we have some interesting proposals for a new thing that we want to try in NA that could generate interesting value, then we lobby for some extra budget for that too.
01:43:20 <spevack> StabbyMc: budget planning doesn't really start until after we all get back from Xmas
01:43:48 <spevack> er, Winter Holidays.  Political Correctness FAIL
01:44:02 <StabbyMc> spevack: I didn't get into it until February, thought it might have just been my dept.   ;-)
01:44:49 <slipp3d> is there anything in place for getting shirts for people... a few of the people in my area that moved to Fedora would love to order some of the shirts but I don't know where to send them...
01:45:10 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: We've got some Tees.
01:45:33 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: I'm working on finding a source for something like an embroidered button up.
01:46:27 <slipp3d> StabbyMc, when you get a line on those could you email/ping me or something ... a few of the people around here are really wanting them since they moved to fedora
01:46:45 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: I'll do that.
01:47:03 <StabbyMc> I know there's significant interest in it, I'll work more on it next week when I'm on the bench.
01:47:17 <slipp3d> thanks StabbyMc
01:47:27 <inode0> brand fuel has them for sale I believe
01:47:39 <slipp3d> if there is anything that I can do to help out let me know...
01:47:40 <spevack> speaking of Brand Fuel
01:47:54 <StabbyMc> I posted another swag item to #fedora-ambassadors, and think it got shot down, but just wanted to be sure.  Crocs jibbitz or charms; that was a no right?
01:47:58 <spevack> it's on my TODO list, at the request of the Fedora Board, to "wind down" Fedora's association w/ Brand Fuel.
01:48:16 <spevack> In short -- buy up whatever swag they still have, and then close down the Fedora portion of the Brand Fuel store
01:48:37 <spevack> not at the top of my TODO list, but on my TODO list.
01:49:05 <PhrkOnLsh> spevack: why is that?
01:49:05 <jds2001> what's the reasoning, just so I know?
01:49:13 <jds2001> We don't have anything to replace it with atm.
01:49:29 <StabbyMc> I'm guessing because BrandFuel is crazy expensive...
01:49:39 <jds2001> that they are....
01:49:43 <inode0> they aren't that bad for hats and shirts
01:49:44 <slipp3d> what is the link for the brandfuel site?
01:49:58 <crossbytes> http://www.brandfuel.com/
01:49:59 <spevack> StabbyMc: yes, that's the reason
01:50:09 <inode0> and I'll be sad to see the hats disappear without ever getting one :)
01:50:10 <jds2001> http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/
01:50:30 <spevack> inode0: only the fedora stuff... if you need a fedora ballcap, i'll make sure you get one :)
01:50:32 <inode0> because I can't see us producing those any time soon
01:50:32 <StabbyMc> spevack: are we looking to make money from selling fedora merchandise?
01:50:54 <PhrkOnLsh> inode0: grab one up :-)
01:51:25 <PhrkOnLsh> what, only ball caps, no fedora?
01:51:26 * PhrkOnLsh ducks
01:51:36 <spevack> StabbyMc: depends who you ask.  ;)  Problem #1 (which is a whole separate conversation) is that there isn't really a great way to manage small amounts of money.
01:51:39 <jds2001> the RHCE pint glasses are gone!
01:51:44 <inode0> you can get a fedora too, from the redhat part of the store
01:52:11 <StabbyMc> spevack: you're referring to the suck that is RH Finance?
01:52:23 <spevack> spevack: in a more polite way, yes :)
01:52:54 <inode0> I really don't want to mess with tax and stuff associated with selling on our end
01:53:38 <inode0> prefer a tip jar :)
01:53:38 <spevack> yeah... my gut feeling right now is that the amount of work to do this isn't worth the small amount of money that it would be, and that swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters is the right way to go.
01:53:43 <StabbyMc> inode0: I don't want to deal with the shipping and stuff associated with selling on our end...
01:54:09 <spevack> there's more useful things that we can all do w/ our time, IMHO
01:54:14 <inode0> we deal with that somewhat as producers though
01:54:38 * slipp3d second spevack  thought
01:54:39 <StabbyMc> spevack: so what I'm taking from this is keep doing what we're doing, but if we happen to run into someone that is an e-tailer who can do all the supply chain stuff for cheap, but kick some good money our way, take note.
01:54:48 <dramsey> +1 for time and swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters.  :)
01:55:23 <spevack> StabbyMc: i'd say that's fair
01:55:24 <inode0> it would be nice to have a store so things were more available to people in the fedora community
01:55:32 <inode0> I don't think it is about money
01:55:41 <slipp3d> +1 inode0 ...
01:55:49 <spevack> inode0: the thing that we made a TODO out of FAD EMEA was a hybrid:
01:55:52 <inode0> but it is about quality
01:56:05 <spevack> (1) a ticket tracker for swag to get from point A to point B
01:56:15 <spevack> (2) a wiki page that is basically "EMEA Swag Inventory" so that people can know what is where
01:56:24 <spevack> and request stuff appropriately
01:56:32 <spevack> (3) a direct-bill shipping account like we already have in NA
01:56:42 <spevack> so it's not a "store" but it's a useful resource
01:56:47 <StabbyMc> Do we have an inventory page?
01:56:54 <inode0> no
01:57:15 <inode0> I'm not overly enthusiastic about counting buttons either :)
01:57:21 <StabbyMc> lulz
01:57:34 <spevack> inode0: I'm thinking we could estimate
01:57:35 <inode0> but I'll play along
01:57:44 <spevack> "inode0 has a lot of buttons"
01:57:45 <VileGent> or tats
01:57:47 <spevack> then two weeks later
01:57:56 <spevack> "inode0 has a few buttons, probably enough for 2 events"
01:57:59 <spevack> stuff like that
01:58:04 <spevack> no one wants to count buttons or tattoos
01:58:05 <StabbyMc> Time to move on to Task List Review?
01:58:15 * StabbyMc notes that it's getting late.
01:58:18 <inode0> our FAIL
01:58:20 * spevack shuts up :)
01:58:29 <VileGent> spevack,  nope dont shut up
01:58:51 <jds2001> 10pm is late?
01:59:03 <jds2001> lets go til 2AM :D
01:59:07 <StabbyMc> Maybe we can discuss some more in #f-a after the meeting?
01:59:14 <slipp3d> I like the idea of having a inventory page even if it's just a rough estimates
01:59:14 <StabbyMc> jds2001: no more Red Bull for you.
01:59:18 <inode0> from past history I'd say we are finished with the task list now
01:59:37 <StabbyMc> Ok, so then Open Floor?
01:59:40 <spevack> +1 to rough estimates, -1 to counting grains of sand
01:59:40 <inode0> someone really needs to drive that or we should abandon it
01:59:53 <inode0> the task list could be very useful, if we would use it
02:00:11 <inode0> if for nothing else than documenting what we accomplish
02:00:35 <slipp3d> and what is needed to accomplish...
02:00:51 <inode0> if we put tasks on the task list I could answer that
02:00:55 <StabbyMc> Maybe instead of a Task List it should be an Accomplishments List?
02:01:27 <VileGent> well it owuld be nice to have venders of swag we have bought from like the case badges as an example
02:01:41 <inode0> oh spevack :)
02:01:53 <spevack> VileGent: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors
02:02:04 <spevack> needs a bit of updating, which I will do, since there are vendors listed on another page as well
02:02:10 <spevack> inode0: is that what you were going to say?
02:02:20 <inode0> we'll expand that link
02:02:34 <inode0> no, I just knew you had a link handy
02:03:07 <dramsey> Yes to updating the link.  I have a vendor in North Carolina which does great work and very reasonable pricing.
02:03:18 <StabbyMc> So then, new business?
02:03:20 <inode0> vendor of what?
02:03:26 <dramsey> Oh, shirts and hats.
02:03:31 * StabbyMc notes that 10:00p is not late, but an hour long meeting is long.
02:03:36 <inode0> hats, we have our hat man!
02:03:40 <VileGent> case badges are something that people seems to love as swag and we have had a request for window clings
02:03:42 <dramsey> The textile factory....
02:03:48 <dramsey> Okay.
02:04:01 <inode0> just a point
02:04:09 <StabbyMc> I'll update the vendor page to also include the vendor for the Fedora Pens that we used.
02:04:18 <inode0> this list should be vendors fedora has done business with and is happy with
02:04:51 <inode0> but we should talk about what they can do and perhaps try them
02:05:08 <PhrkOnLsh> Offhand: Everyone is invited to ABLEconf, no fees to attend. PROTIP: If you stay until sunday you can blast Aaron Seigo to pieces in Nexuiz.
02:05:36 <PhrkOnLsh> I gotta hit it, my class is over. May be online later, probably not.
02:05:37 <inode0> dramsey: are you back in the states now?
02:05:41 <jds2001> when/where is that?
02:05:49 <PhrkOnLsh> Phoenix AZ, Oct24
02:05:50 <dramsey> Nope...near Tokyo right now.
02:06:08 <slipp3d> PhrkOnLsh, if I was closer i would be there....
02:06:12 <StabbyMc> Ok, so what other new business we got?
02:06:13 <jds2001> Ahh, cool - I'll be in Fredericksburg VA that day though :(
02:06:15 <dramsey> I am suppose to do an APAC meeting this weekend, so I am trying practice...I'll be free this weekend, so no on call... :)
02:06:19 <PhrkOnLsh> ehm, i still have 15min
02:06:28 <PhrkOnLsh> hi larry
02:06:34 <StabbyMc> New business?
02:06:38 * lcafiero sneaks into the back of the room and sits down
02:06:43 <StabbyMc> Open Floor items?
02:06:53 <inode0> one thing
02:07:02 <VileGent> i thought thats what we were doing
02:07:11 <lcafiero> one thing after inode0
02:07:16 <inode0> I have volunteered to stop leading the meetings after next meeting
02:07:32 * sseiersen is here really late.
02:07:38 <slipp3d> third thing...
02:07:38 <PhrkOnLsh> lcafiero: we voted you out of FAmNA while you were gone.
02:07:44 <inode0> It would be nice if we figured out where we are going so it could be announced next time
02:07:53 <inode0> not tonight, but between now and then
02:07:59 <sseiersen> inode0: I can
02:08:14 <inode0> that was all I had
02:08:20 <StabbyMc> inode0: if no one objects to how it worked tonight, I can keep doing it too.
02:08:54 <dramsey> +1
02:08:56 * slipp3d thinks that StabbyMc did a nice job....
02:09:11 * StabbyMc was fishing for complements, and caught one!
02:09:16 <StabbyMc> Yea!
02:09:22 <dramsey> me, too.
02:09:23 <crossbytes> +1 for StabbyMc
02:09:32 <PhrkOnLsh> as the first meeting i've attending in #fedora-meeting, +1 :-)
02:09:54 * VileGent thinks StabbyMc  will be doing fine once he figures out the meetbot
02:10:04 <jds2001> as the umpteenth meeting I've attended in #fedora-meeting, +1 :D
02:10:08 <inode0> yeah, he has a bit of work there
02:10:10 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero
02:10:11 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero@cruzio.com>
02:10:12 <spevack> yes, my thanks to StabbyMc for running the meeting
02:10:20 <lcafiero> just to make it official I attended.
02:10:24 <jds2001> if you need help with meetbot, I'm one of the experts :D
02:10:31 <jds2001> me and nirik :)
02:10:31 <StabbyMc> OK, so I think that's done.
02:10:34 <jds2001> .fas jstanley
02:10:35 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <jonstanley@gmail.com>
02:10:42 <lcafiero> Announcement?
02:10:46 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: you said you had an open floor item?
02:10:54 <lcafiero> Yes, thanks, StabbyMc
02:11:05 <lcafiero> Utah Open Source Conference starts Thursday.
02:11:09 <PhrkOnLsh> okay, i"m out, later guys!
02:11:20 * spevack says goodnight
02:11:21 <lcafiero> There's a FAD on Thursday at 12:30 MST
02:11:23 <spevack> "goodnight"
02:11:30 <PhrkOnLsh> bon nuit
02:11:32 <lcafiero> I'm losing my audience
02:11:42 * jds2001 is still here :)
02:11:46 <StabbyMc> meeting bot is still listening ;-)
02:11:48 <lcafiero> Anyway, there's a channel on #fedora-fad where you can remotely participate if you so desire.
02:11:50 <crossbytes> is there going to be an irc? for the FAD
02:12:00 <lcafiero> #fedora-fad
02:12:19 <VileGent> lcafiero,  12:30am or pm
02:12:23 <jds2001> umm, we're somewhat planning on using that channel for F-talk FAD prep, but two can use it i guess
02:12:24 <lcafiero> Someone in Europe set it up (I can't remember who -- sorry)
02:12:40 <lcafiero> Well, it could last to 12:30 a.m., but it's 12:30 p.m. Mountain Time
02:12:49 * inode0 teases with the corn FAD being planned for the middle of next year some time
02:13:13 <lcafiero> You couldn't use meeting, jds2001?
02:13:40 * lcafiero is just asking.
02:13:49 <StabbyMc> slipp3d: you had something for Open Floor?
02:13:53 <jds2001> lcafiero: it's more of an ad-hoc thing
02:14:00 <jds2001> our meetings are on tuesdays til the fad
02:14:04 <lcafiero> Well, it could get confusing.
02:14:06 <jds2001> so that's no problem there
02:14:32 <sseiersen> 0
02:14:43 <jds2001> we'll use #fedora-admin or whatever
02:14:56 <lcafiero> thanks, jds2001
02:14:59 <lcafiero> I owe you one
02:15:14 <jds2001> so when's this, just next thursday?
02:15:23 <slipp3d> never mind StabbyMc I forgot was i was going bring up
02:15:49 <dramsey> StabbyMc, I had an FYI on F12 thought...
02:15:49 <VileGent> jds2001,  this thursday
02:16:05 <StabbyMc> dramsey: all you.
02:16:09 <dramsey> Okay...
02:16:24 <dramsey> An FYI, from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule#Fedora_12_Release_Schedule looks like Fedora 12 is now at November 10th.
02:16:38 <lcafiero> jds2001: yes.
02:16:41 <dramsey> F12 beta is moved back another week, October 20th, too.
02:16:47 <dramsey> That's all.
02:16:48 <dramsey> :)
02:16:56 <lcafiero> My understanding was that it was for use with fad events, but I could be mistaken
02:17:01 <jds2001> indeed :(
02:17:10 <jds2001> lcafiero: we are having a FAD
02:17:23 <jds2001> around Fedora Talk, but have a lot of prep to do.
02:17:34 <crossbytes> no that is what it was set up for it was in the list. ur r right Larry
02:17:37 <inode0> prep somewhere more appropriate :)
02:18:00 <sseiersen> #UTOSC-FAD ?
02:18:33 <StabbyMc> Other new business?
02:18:34 * jds2001 makes #fedora-fad-planning :D
02:18:38 <inode0> having as many fads as possible use fedora-fad is helpful to us lurking
02:18:39 * jds2001 shuts up
02:18:52 * StabbyMc notes we can continue to barrate jds2001 all night in #f-a ..
02:19:31 <StabbyMc> Other new business?
02:19:45 <StabbyMc> 3
02:19:48 <crossbytes> Joerg Simon set it up I think it should be used as jds2001 wants to but yield to acual fads in progress
02:19:58 <StabbyMc> 2
02:20:13 <StabbyMc> 1
02:20:21 <lcafiero> out
02:20:23 <lcafiero> :-)
02:20:29 <StabbyMc> Back to #fedora-ambassadors :-)
02:20:32 <inode0> thanks StabbyMc
02:20:34 <dramsey> :)  Thank you StabbyMc, good job indeed.  :)
02:20:38 <dramsey> out, too.
02:20:39 <VileGent> StabbyMc,  #endmeeting
02:20:39 <jds2001> you need to end the meeting :)
02:20:43 <lcafiero> kudos StabbyMc
02:20:47 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora meetings 'n stuff
02:20:56 <jds2001> no, #endmeeting
02:20:59 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting