01:00:10 #startmeeting 01:00:10 Meeting started Wed Oct 7 01:00:10 2009 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:31 Ok folks, it's that time. Lets start the roll call. 01:00:36 .fas smcbrien 01:00:37 StabbyMc: smcbrien '' 01:00:48 .fas crossbytes 01:00:49 crossbytes: crossbytes 'Kevin Higgins' 01:00:55 .fas jfsaucier 01:00:56 djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' 01:01:01 .fas dramsey 01:01:02 dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' 01:01:08 .fas rrix 01:01:09 PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' 01:01:20 .fas Southern_Gentleman 01:01:21 VileGent: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 01:01:27 .wikilink inode0 01:01:28 inode0: [[User:inode0|John T. Rose]] 01:01:34 #topic Fedora North American Ambassadors Meeting 01:02:08 .fas mspevack 01:02:09 spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' 01:02:21 Ok, so this is my first time chairing the meeting, since stealing it from inode0; or maybe it was foisting... 01:02:28 Any announcements? 01:02:38 * spevack is back in your timezone :) 01:03:08 Excellent, maybe spevack can talk about Budget Review when we get to it :-) 01:03:16 New Mexico GNU/Linux Fest is being postponed until next year 01:03:27 Hey everyone 01:03:35 Our partiticipation, or the con itself? 01:03:41 the conference 01:03:43 The whole event 01:04:18 .fas actown 01:04:19 Ac-town: acactown 'Acac Town' 01:04:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 <- go sign up 01:04:32 -_-, not me :P 01:04:54 inode0: so I guess we're jumping into events then? ;-) 01:05:24 * inode0 was just reminding folks that FUDcon is approaching 01:05:55 Indeed, and for those of you who haven't heard, there are going to be busses from Boston and ...? 01:06:12 one from Boston that I know about 01:06:24 Since flying into Boston is less expensive than Toronto. 01:06:36 For some reason I thought there was going to be one from Buffalo? 01:06:36 it is free though if you can get to Boston before it fills up 01:07:15 free as in courtesy of redhat 01:07:32 mizmo and spot are going to be on it, IIRC. 01:08:26 Any updates on other events, like Ohio LinuxFest? 01:09:03 VileGent, you still running point on ---^ 01:09:12 I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ 01:09:25 OLF happened and we had a great turnout of people takeing media and asking questions about fedora and the OLPC XO s 01:09:47 spot, pascal axelilly, and my son worked the both 01:10:06 Way to use that child labor VileGent! 01:10:07 booth 01:10:25 child labor is good for a few things 01:10:25 used him at SELF why not OLF 01:10:30 Are tiny hands really better for handing out media? 01:10:34 ;-) 01:10:46 StabbyMc, he is bigger than you 01:11:02 eof 01:11:04 I have one for Ontario Linux Fest, I try contacting the organizer but didn't receive any reply... but I got an email from Andrew Overholt 01:11:38 I want to know if we sponsor the event (it give us a booth, table and network) for 100$? 01:11:54 yes, do it 01:12:16 good, I will reply to Andrew tomorrow morning 01:12:50 we are trying to get some advertising for FUDcon to you as well 01:12:56 but, I don't want to bring an old topic on the table, I need an event box for this. An empty table will be wasted money 01:12:57 have you been contacted about that yet? 01:13:02 inode0: no 01:13:31 a table without an event box is not wasted 01:13:56 maybe, but all I have is ~25 burned dvd and my laptop 01:14:03 you just opened a ticket for swag/media today didn't you? 01:14:38 yes, I opened it this morning 01:14:53 I currently try to find some local company for swag to get price estimate 01:15:06 for this we just need to ship it there 01:15:33 we are 2 weeks away at this point, right? 01:15:54 yes, two week from the Quebec events 01:16:01 a little bit more for OLF 01:17:12 djf_jeff: what swag are you wanting? 01:17:22 I have some Live CDs and some buttons that I can ship if needed. 01:17:31 anything, media, stickers, tatoos, pens, etc 01:18:10 djf_jeff: those we have, what were you wanting to price out from local vendors in CA? 01:18:19 * inode0 suggests giving Brian a chance to respond - if he needs help from others to fill parts we can pitch in 01:18:33 * djf_jeff agree with inode0 01:18:54 he might be low on media 01:18:59 StabbyMc: if I produce the swag locally for cheaper than shipping it here, it can help I think 01:19:16 Ah, OK, now I understand. 01:19:56 right, that is a longer term solution but let's see what it costs to ship stuff up 01:20:20 might not be bad 01:20:42 I have F11 media that I can send if needed... for Ontario Linux Fest and some stickers.. 01:20:44 Ok, if I understand right, djf_jeff opened a Trac ticket for swag, inode0 is pricing to ship up. 01:20:51 inode0: I called UPS, but damn, it's like entering a maze... but, we can talk about this in #fedora-ambassadors 01:21:14 Other events news? 01:21:20 * inode0 is waiting for someone else to price to ship up 01:21:29 I'm trying to get sponsored to represent Fedora at ABLEconf in Phoenix AZ 01:21:56 sponsored to join ambassadors you mean, right? 01:21:58 what is the event in PA this coming weekend 01:22:06 yes, herlo's mentoring me, inode0 01:22:33 we sometimes sponsor people to attend events, different thing 01:22:56 PhrkOnLsh: why don't you introduce yourself :) 01:23:03 oh, uhm, okay :-) 01:23:14 I'm Ryan Rix, Fedora KDE SIG 01:23:27 ABLEconf presentations coordinator, and soon to be ambassador :-) 01:23:40 PhrkOnLsh: from Pheonix? 01:24:00 I wanted to see Fedora represented at ABLEconf and Clint said that I should just join Ambassadors and do it myself, so here I am 01:24:04 StabbyMc: indeedy 01:24:14 ! 01:24:22 * jds2001 here, sorry im late 01:24:36 I'm going to be presenting at ABLEconf, a rehash of a presentation A. Mani did at SFD Kolkata 01:25:13 and, uhm, yeah, hopefully herlo will be sending me an ambassador kit for the event; I already have a table lined up. 01:25:30 PhrkOnLsh: Sounds like you're all good to go. 01:25:44 we'll get you more than an ambassador kit 01:25:45 indeed. 01:25:59 what dates? 01:26:02 inode0: herlo told me that the event wasn't in the FAmNA budget. 01:26:05 10/24 01:26:10 Oct24 (same date as OLF) 01:26:15 (iirc) 01:26:19 it wasn't but it can be 01:26:39 oh okie dokie :-) 01:26:39 whether it is or isn't in the budget we'll send you media and some swag 01:26:46 okay, very cool 01:27:00 to cut down on confusion can we say ontario linuxfest or ohio linuxfest please 01:27:08 Other events news? 01:27:19 sorry, Ontario 01:27:23 http://www.cposc.org/ 01:27:46 * jds2001 is doing cposc 01:27:47 PhrkOnLsh: keep poking herlo in the ribs, he is busy with UTOSC but we need to get you approved 01:27:56 will ship out the horizonal banners tomorrow (been busy with funeral) 01:28:00 unaware of if brian will be there or not. 01:28:12 oh no 01:28:15 inode0: Yeah, I will. 01:28:23 he's got some $DAYJOB stuff going on :/ 01:28:26 so sorry VileGent 01:28:36 oh, yeah :( 01:28:43 inode0: do I need to do anything besides poke him to get me approved? 01:29:09 ask him one more time where things stand and I'll talk to him if there is an issue 01:29:17 alright, sounds good 01:29:20 thanks, inode0 01:29:46 VileGent: so what did you wantt o know about cposc? (since jds2001 seems to know something) 01:30:46 we have a table, we'll need to provide extension cords 01:30:54 we're unable to hang anything on/from the walls 01:31:02 * spevack knows that we paid $100 in some sort of sponsorship. We can scrounge up more budget if needed 01:31:23 spevack: you got my train and hotel in there too, right? 01:31:53 StabbyMc, i was suppose to send brian the banner for cposc last week but family funeral got in the way 01:31:53 * inode0 notes we approved travel expenses for jds2001 last meeting 01:32:07 to fill in for Brian on short notice 01:32:28 Where are the vertical 4F banners? 01:32:35 jds2001, email me your address info and i will send you the banner 01:32:43 utah 01:32:48 VileGent: will do right after the meeting 01:32:48 jds2001: yep, just save your receipts 01:33:07 spevack: i prepaid everything, can i just give you confirmations? 01:33:21 or do you need something saying i actually did it? 01:33:31 * jds2001 not sure what to get for the train 01:33:45 Can we get herlo to ship them to jds2001 for CPOSC? Or do we not really care that much? 01:34:02 it would be great if i had them. 01:34:04 I think he plans to if the timing works out 01:34:31 Cool. Looks like there's a week inbetween the two events. 01:34:46 the plan was to send to brian 01:35:07 so if the plans have changed we need to let herlo know 01:35:13 So someone needs to tell herlo about the change? 01:35:17 Gah, beat me to it. 01:35:19 yes 01:35:25 jds2001 owns it :) 01:35:29 ok :) 01:35:40 vertical banners tracking # to herlo 1Z69E53W0361608118 01:36:04 More events stuff? 01:36:13 ups 01:36:30 Events going twice 01:36:49 herlo's in #f-ambassadors atm 01:36:56 * inode0 suggests getting to the budget for the guy who knows about it nods off 01:36:57 Three times... 01:37:08 OK, budget it is. 01:37:11 before 01:37:20 * StabbyMc yields the floor to spevack 01:37:25 * herlo is here 01:37:36 herlo: too late, no banners for you. 01:37:40 hahaha 01:37:43 herlo: i just sent you email 01:37:47 lol 01:37:49 okay 01:37:52 jds2001: kk 01:38:09 well 01:38:20 inode0 and ke4qqq and I chatted a bit before the meeting 01:38:28 Just to do some ballpark thinking about NA budget 01:38:46 Past experiences w/ Media shows us that we should set aside $5k for CDs/DVDs for Fedora 12. 01:39:00 Suggested that we also set aside about $3k for other swag. 01:39:02 yes 01:39:23 That gets us supplied w/ media & swag basically through the end of february, which is the end of Red Hat's fiscal year. 01:39:28 any thoughts about moving to usb drive installs instead of cd /dvds???? 01:39:32 So that's $8k. We've spent $4k already this quarter on NA. 01:39:41 spevack: those are more expensive, aren't they? 01:39:43 slipp3d, too expensive 01:39:45 We're tentatively setting aside another $2k for "stuff we don't know about yet" 01:39:58 01:40:01 aside from that 01:40:15 er, sorry for the ping, max :-) 01:40:21 any surplus budget in my team's Community Architecture budget is going to be funneled towards FUDCon Toronto 01:40:29 slipp3d: we've talked about going to live ISO only and stopping DVD, but haven't come to any decision. 01:40:31 with the idea of getting more community members to the event with travel subsidies. 01:40:50 That discussion will happen on fudcon-planning list, because pfrields needs to be part of it also. 01:41:01 PhrkOnLsh: USBs are still too expensive, regrettably. 01:41:05 So that's the high level budget update. 01:41:20 spevack: yup, that should've gone to slipp3d ;-) tab-complete fail 01:41:20 I guess I'll yield for questions, and comments. Basically "is there anything NA needs that it's not getting?" 01:41:33 PhrkOnLsh: no worries 01:41:41 EOF 01:41:48 spevack: a million dollars for each ambassador? :D 01:41:58 * herlo seconds jds2001's motion 01:42:01 spevack: any inkling about what Big Daddy RH is going to do about the budget in FY11? 01:42:25 * slipp3d thirds jds2001 01:42:29 :D 01:42:37 * djf_jeff is away for 10 minutes 01:43:01 StabbyMc: my current speculation would be "no significant changes" and if we have some interesting proposals for a new thing that we want to try in NA that could generate interesting value, then we lobby for some extra budget for that too. 01:43:20 StabbyMc: budget planning doesn't really start until after we all get back from Xmas 01:43:48 er, Winter Holidays. Political Correctness FAIL 01:44:02 spevack: I didn't get into it until February, thought it might have just been my dept. ;-) 01:44:49 is there anything in place for getting shirts for people... a few of the people in my area that moved to Fedora would love to order some of the shirts but I don't know where to send them... 01:45:10 slipp3d: We've got some Tees. 01:45:33 slipp3d: I'm working on finding a source for something like an embroidered button up. 01:46:27 StabbyMc, when you get a line on those could you email/ping me or something ... a few of the people around here are really wanting them since they moved to fedora 01:46:45 slipp3d: I'll do that. 01:47:03 I know there's significant interest in it, I'll work more on it next week when I'm on the bench. 01:47:17 thanks StabbyMc 01:47:27 brand fuel has them for sale I believe 01:47:39 if there is anything that I can do to help out let me know... 01:47:40 speaking of Brand Fuel 01:47:54 I posted another swag item to #fedora-ambassadors, and think it got shot down, but just wanted to be sure. Crocs jibbitz or charms; that was a no right? 01:47:58 it's on my TODO list, at the request of the Fedora Board, to "wind down" Fedora's association w/ Brand Fuel. 01:48:16 In short -- buy up whatever swag they still have, and then close down the Fedora portion of the Brand Fuel store 01:48:37 not at the top of my TODO list, but on my TODO list. 01:49:05 spevack: why is that? 01:49:05 what's the reasoning, just so I know? 01:49:13 We don't have anything to replace it with atm. 01:49:29 I'm guessing because BrandFuel is crazy expensive... 01:49:39 that they are.... 01:49:43 they aren't that bad for hats and shirts 01:49:44 what is the link for the brandfuel site? 01:49:58 http://www.brandfuel.com/ 01:49:59 StabbyMc: yes, that's the reason 01:50:09 and I'll be sad to see the hats disappear without ever getting one :) 01:50:10 http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/ 01:50:30 inode0: only the fedora stuff... if you need a fedora ballcap, i'll make sure you get one :) 01:50:32 because I can't see us producing those any time soon 01:50:32 spevack: are we looking to make money from selling fedora merchandise? 01:50:54 inode0: grab one up :-) 01:51:25 what, only ball caps, no fedora? 01:51:26 * PhrkOnLsh ducks 01:51:36 StabbyMc: depends who you ask. ;) Problem #1 (which is a whole separate conversation) is that there isn't really a great way to manage small amounts of money. 01:51:39 the RHCE pint glasses are gone! 01:51:44 you can get a fedora too, from the redhat part of the store 01:52:11 spevack: you're referring to the suck that is RH Finance? 01:52:23 spevack: in a more polite way, yes :) 01:52:54 I really don't want to mess with tax and stuff associated with selling on our end 01:53:38 prefer a tip jar :) 01:53:38 yeah... my gut feeling right now is that the amount of work to do this isn't worth the small amount of money that it would be, and that swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters is the right way to go. 01:53:43 inode0: I don't want to deal with the shipping and stuff associated with selling on our end... 01:54:09 there's more useful things that we can all do w/ our time, IMHO 01:54:14 we deal with that somewhat as producers though 01:54:38 * slipp3d second spevack thought 01:54:39 spevack: so what I'm taking from this is keep doing what we're doing, but if we happen to run into someone that is an e-tailer who can do all the supply chain stuff for cheap, but kick some good money our way, take note. 01:54:48 +1 for time and swag-as-marketing-and-general-morale-boosters. :) 01:55:23 StabbyMc: i'd say that's fair 01:55:24 it would be nice to have a store so things were more available to people in the fedora community 01:55:32 I don't think it is about money 01:55:41 +1 inode0 ... 01:55:49 inode0: the thing that we made a TODO out of FAD EMEA was a hybrid: 01:55:52 but it is about quality 01:56:05 (1) a ticket tracker for swag to get from point A to point B 01:56:15 (2) a wiki page that is basically "EMEA Swag Inventory" so that people can know what is where 01:56:24 and request stuff appropriately 01:56:32 (3) a direct-bill shipping account like we already have in NA 01:56:42 so it's not a "store" but it's a useful resource 01:56:47 Do we have an inventory page? 01:56:54 no 01:57:15 I'm not overly enthusiastic about counting buttons either :) 01:57:21 lulz 01:57:34 inode0: I'm thinking we could estimate 01:57:35 but I'll play along 01:57:44 "inode0 has a lot of buttons" 01:57:45 or tats 01:57:47 then two weeks later 01:57:56 "inode0 has a few buttons, probably enough for 2 events" 01:57:59 stuff like that 01:58:04 no one wants to count buttons or tattoos 01:58:05 Time to move on to Task List Review? 01:58:15 * StabbyMc notes that it's getting late. 01:58:18 our FAIL 01:58:20 * spevack shuts up :) 01:58:29 spevack, nope dont shut up 01:58:51 10pm is late? 01:59:03 lets go til 2AM :D 01:59:07 Maybe we can discuss some more in #f-a after the meeting? 01:59:14 I like the idea of having a inventory page even if it's just a rough estimates 01:59:14 jds2001: no more Red Bull for you. 01:59:18 from past history I'd say we are finished with the task list now 01:59:37 Ok, so then Open Floor? 01:59:40 +1 to rough estimates, -1 to counting grains of sand 01:59:40 someone really needs to drive that or we should abandon it 01:59:53 the task list could be very useful, if we would use it 02:00:11 if for nothing else than documenting what we accomplish 02:00:35 and what is needed to accomplish... 02:00:51 if we put tasks on the task list I could answer that 02:00:55 Maybe instead of a Task List it should be an Accomplishments List? 02:01:27 well it owuld be nice to have venders of swag we have bought from like the case badges as an example 02:01:41 oh spevack :) 02:01:53 VileGent: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_vendors 02:02:04 needs a bit of updating, which I will do, since there are vendors listed on another page as well 02:02:10 inode0: is that what you were going to say? 02:02:20 we'll expand that link 02:02:34 no, I just knew you had a link handy 02:03:07 Yes to updating the link. I have a vendor in North Carolina which does great work and very reasonable pricing. 02:03:18 So then, new business? 02:03:20 vendor of what? 02:03:26 Oh, shirts and hats. 02:03:31 * StabbyMc notes that 10:00p is not late, but an hour long meeting is long. 02:03:36 hats, we have our hat man! 02:03:40 case badges are something that people seems to love as swag and we have had a request for window clings 02:03:42 The textile factory.... 02:03:48 Okay. 02:04:01 just a point 02:04:09 I'll update the vendor page to also include the vendor for the Fedora Pens that we used. 02:04:18 this list should be vendors fedora has done business with and is happy with 02:04:51 but we should talk about what they can do and perhaps try them 02:05:08 Offhand: Everyone is invited to ABLEconf, no fees to attend. PROTIP: If you stay until sunday you can blast Aaron Seigo to pieces in Nexuiz. 02:05:36 I gotta hit it, my class is over. May be online later, probably not. 02:05:37 dramsey: are you back in the states now? 02:05:41 when/where is that? 02:05:49 Phoenix AZ, Oct24 02:05:50 Nope...near Tokyo right now. 02:06:08 PhrkOnLsh, if I was closer i would be there.... 02:06:12 Ok, so what other new business we got? 02:06:13 Ahh, cool - I'll be in Fredericksburg VA that day though :( 02:06:15 I am suppose to do an APAC meeting this weekend, so I am trying practice...I'll be free this weekend, so no on call... :) 02:06:19 ehm, i still have 15min 02:06:28 hi larry 02:06:34 New business? 02:06:38 * lcafiero sneaks into the back of the room and sits down 02:06:43 Open Floor items? 02:06:53 one thing 02:07:02 i thought thats what we were doing 02:07:11 one thing after inode0 02:07:16 I have volunteered to stop leading the meetings after next meeting 02:07:32 * sseiersen is here really late. 02:07:38 third thing... 02:07:38 lcafiero: we voted you out of FAmNA while you were gone. 02:07:44 It would be nice if we figured out where we are going so it could be announced next time 02:07:53 not tonight, but between now and then 02:07:59 inode0: I can 02:08:14 that was all I had 02:08:20 inode0: if no one objects to how it worked tonight, I can keep doing it too. 02:08:54 +1 02:08:56 * slipp3d thinks that StabbyMc did a nice job.... 02:09:11 * StabbyMc was fishing for complements, and caught one! 02:09:16 Yea! 02:09:22 me, too. 02:09:23 +1 for StabbyMc 02:09:32 as the first meeting i've attending in #fedora-meeting, +1 :-) 02:09:54 * VileGent thinks StabbyMc will be doing fine once he figures out the meetbot 02:10:04 as the umpteenth meeting I've attended in #fedora-meeting, +1 :D 02:10:08 yeah, he has a bit of work there 02:10:10 .fas lcafiero 02:10:11 lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' 02:10:12 yes, my thanks to StabbyMc for running the meeting 02:10:20 just to make it official I attended. 02:10:24 if you need help with meetbot, I'm one of the experts :D 02:10:31 me and nirik :) 02:10:31 OK, so I think that's done. 02:10:34 .fas jstanley 02:10:35 jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' 02:10:42 Announcement? 02:10:46 lcafiero: you said you had an open floor item? 02:10:54 Yes, thanks, StabbyMc 02:11:05 Utah Open Source Conference starts Thursday. 02:11:09 okay, i"m out, later guys! 02:11:20 * spevack says goodnight 02:11:21 There's a FAD on Thursday at 12:30 MST 02:11:23 "goodnight" 02:11:30 bon nuit 02:11:32 I'm losing my audience 02:11:42 * jds2001 is still here :) 02:11:46 meeting bot is still listening ;-) 02:11:48 Anyway, there's a channel on #fedora-fad where you can remotely participate if you so desire. 02:11:50 is there going to be an irc? for the FAD 02:12:00 #fedora-fad 02:12:19 lcafiero, 12:30am or pm 02:12:23 umm, we're somewhat planning on using that channel for F-talk FAD prep, but two can use it i guess 02:12:24 Someone in Europe set it up (I can't remember who -- sorry) 02:12:40 Well, it could last to 12:30 a.m., but it's 12:30 p.m. Mountain Time 02:12:49 * inode0 teases with the corn FAD being planned for the middle of next year some time 02:13:13 You couldn't use meeting, jds2001? 02:13:40 * lcafiero is just asking. 02:13:49 slipp3d: you had something for Open Floor? 02:13:53 lcafiero: it's more of an ad-hoc thing 02:14:00 our meetings are on tuesdays til the fad 02:14:04 Well, it could get confusing. 02:14:06 so that's no problem there 02:14:32 0 02:14:43 we'll use #fedora-admin or whatever 02:14:56 thanks, jds2001 02:14:59 I owe you one 02:15:14 so when's this, just next thursday? 02:15:23 never mind StabbyMc I forgot was i was going bring up 02:15:49 StabbyMc, I had an FYI on F12 thought... 02:15:49 jds2001, this thursday 02:16:05 dramsey: all you. 02:16:09 Okay... 02:16:24 An FYI, from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule#Fedora_12_Release_Schedule looks like Fedora 12 is now at November 10th. 02:16:38 jds2001: yes. 02:16:41 F12 beta is moved back another week, October 20th, too. 02:16:47 That's all. 02:16:48 :) 02:16:56 My understanding was that it was for use with fad events, but I could be mistaken 02:17:01 indeed :( 02:17:10 lcafiero: we are having a FAD 02:17:23 around Fedora Talk, but have a lot of prep to do. 02:17:34 no that is what it was set up for it was in the list. ur r right Larry 02:17:37 prep somewhere more appropriate :) 02:18:00 #UTOSC-FAD ? 02:18:33 Other new business? 02:18:34 * jds2001 makes #fedora-fad-planning :D 02:18:38 having as many fads as possible use fedora-fad is helpful to us lurking 02:18:39 * jds2001 shuts up 02:18:52 * StabbyMc notes we can continue to barrate jds2001 all night in #f-a .. 02:19:31 Other new business? 02:19:45 3 02:19:48 Joerg Simon set it up I think it should be used as jds2001 wants to but yield to acual fads in progress 02:19:58