21:00:03 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL Meeting 21:00:03 <zodbot_> Meeting started Fri Oct 9 21:00:03 2009 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:03 <zodbot_> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:06 <nirik> now. ;) 21:00:11 <nirik> #topic Init process 21:00:43 <maxamillion> :) 21:01:42 * mmcgrath is here 21:01:59 <nirik> smooge: you around? 21:03:23 <nirik> rayvd: you around by chance either? 21:04:05 * Jeff_S waves 21:04:13 <nirik> ok, I guess we can skip the first two items then. ;) 21:04:32 <nirik> #topic QA efforts 21:04:33 <Jeff_S> ok, thanks for the meeting. bye gyes 21:04:37 <Jeff_S> guys 21:04:47 <Jeff_S> :) 21:04:53 <maxamillion> derks: hi hi 21:04:57 <derks> howdy 21:04:59 <nirik> I thought I would mention qa stuff. Currently we don't run dep checkers or have any specific qa folks... 21:05:24 <nirik> do we want to make an effort to change that? 21:05:31 <nirik> or do we have not enough folks for that? 21:05:37 <maxamillion> we should start by doing dep checkers I suppose ... from there maybe work on deploying some of the auto-qa stuff that the core fedora-qa folks have (its pretty cool stuff) 21:06:03 <maxamillion> don't know that we can designate poeple to EPEL qa, but maybe spawn some auto-qa 21:06:08 <nirik> dgilmore may have been running them before pushes... not sure. 21:06:23 <nirik> yeah, although I don't think most of it is ready yet. 21:07:36 <nirik> I wonder how many people added any karma to any epel package. 21:07:44 <nirik> I bet its destressingly low. ;( 21:07:49 <Jeff_S> heh, I've never seen any on any of mine 21:07:57 <smooge> i am around. 21:08:00 <rsc> I had one +1 at one of my packages ;) 21:08:02 <smooge> I have DVD's finally 21:08:33 <nirik> smooge: hang on, we will visit that in a few... 21:08:52 <nirik> rsc: thats something I suppose. 21:09:08 <nirik> Perhaps we should send a general announce out asking for people using epel-testing to remember to provide karma. 21:09:59 <rsc> nirik: can we have maybe a utility for clients, that checks the client versions and reports a +1 if I run it? 21:10:02 <nirik> can test our announce list too I guess. ;) 21:10:28 <rsc> nirik: I'm usually using epel-testing, but I'm too lazy to set karma each time. If I could run a tool regulary, that could be nice... 21:10:47 <nirik> well, there is 'bodhi -T' to list all 'testable' updates. 21:10:58 <rsc> yes, but not at our customers at work, right? 21:11:33 <rsc> I would like to see a tool, that marks every testing package installed on the system with +1, if I run it 21:11:53 <rsc> (means no karma, if I have to downgrade, if -testing doesn't work) 21:11:55 <nirik> well, are you sure you tested them all? 21:12:12 <nirik> what if you never ran several of them at all? 21:12:14 <derks> rsc: just because it is installed doesn't mean you really tested anything 21:12:19 <rsc> depends on what you expect by testing. How to test libraries, perl-* etc. 21:12:36 <nirik> ideally you would test it against whatever bug it fixes... 21:12:57 <nirik> but thats a lot of time. 21:13:06 <derks> nirik: or new features implemented in the newer source version 21:13:11 <nirik> yeah. 21:13:37 <derks> from my experience, getting people to install a testing package is 90% unlikely 21:13:43 <lmacken> rsc: there is an open ticket against bodhi to create a tool that +1's all testing updates installed 21:13:44 <nirik> I see the value in a tool tho... or have it go thru each one: 'package foovar-1111-1 from testing is installed. Did you test this? (y/n)' 21:13:59 <nirik> lmacken: cool. 21:14:16 <nirik> lmacken: that does require a cert tho, right? or can random people use that for anonymous? 21:14:30 <lmacken> nirik: no cert required... should be usable to anyone 21:14:39 <rsc> lmacken: if that works without cert/auth, just anonymous, it could be cool 21:15:01 <nirik> lmacken: on my f11 box I just tried and it throws an error with no cert. ;( 21:15:03 <rsc> nirik: in the end, if n people have a testing package installed and nobody complains, it should work, shouldn't it? 21:15:18 <lmacken> nirik: ohhh, it may make a koji call.. 21:16:05 <nirik> rsc: or none of them used it. 21:16:20 <lmacken> I could circumvent that in the future, but for now it does require a cert 21:17:53 <nirik> yeah... would be good. 21:18:05 <derks> lmachen: would certainly open up potential for more 'non-developer' testing if you didn't need a cert 21:18:08 <rsc> nirik: no risk, no fun 21:18:08 <nirik> anything else anyone wants to say on qa/testing? anything we should do for now? 21:19:44 <nirik> #topic Blocking packages already in RHEL 21:19:53 <nirik> smooge: you have images to check against? 21:20:35 <smooge> yes.. they downloaded last night 21:20:50 <smooge> I am unpakcing them and comparing the lists by end of day 21:21:11 <smooge> my link decided to go to 56k last weekend 21:21:12 <nirik> cool. :) I guess update the list with what you find... we can file bugs and start dealing with things... 21:22:43 <nirik> thanks smooge 21:23:09 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 21:23:17 * maxamillion was afk dealing with $dayjob .... missed everything :( 21:24:00 <nirik> anything else anyone has on anything? 21:25:00 * nirik will close things out in a few if nothing comes up. 21:26:06 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. Sorry I didn't have more on the agenda. 21:26:21 <Jeff_S> thanks 21:26:22 <nirik> #endmeeting