21:00:03 #startmeeting EPEL Meeting 21:00:03 Meeting started Fri Oct 9 21:00:03 2009 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:06 now. ;) 21:00:11 #topic Init process 21:00:43 :) 21:01:42 * mmcgrath is here 21:01:59 smooge: you around? 21:03:23 rayvd: you around by chance either? 21:04:05 * Jeff_S waves 21:04:13 ok, I guess we can skip the first two items then. ;) 21:04:32 #topic QA efforts 21:04:33 ok, thanks for the meeting. bye gyes 21:04:37 guys 21:04:47 :) 21:04:53 derks: hi hi 21:04:57 howdy 21:04:59 I thought I would mention qa stuff. Currently we don't run dep checkers or have any specific qa folks... 21:05:24 do we want to make an effort to change that? 21:05:31 or do we have not enough folks for that? 21:05:37 we should start by doing dep checkers I suppose ... from there maybe work on deploying some of the auto-qa stuff that the core fedora-qa folks have (its pretty cool stuff) 21:06:03 don't know that we can designate poeple to EPEL qa, but maybe spawn some auto-qa 21:06:08 dgilmore may have been running them before pushes... not sure. 21:06:23 yeah, although I don't think most of it is ready yet. 21:07:36 I wonder how many people added any karma to any epel package. 21:07:44 I bet its destressingly low. ;( 21:07:49 heh, I've never seen any on any of mine 21:07:57 i am around. 21:08:00 I had one +1 at one of my packages ;) 21:08:02 I have DVD's finally 21:08:33 smooge: hang on, we will visit that in a few... 21:08:52 rsc: thats something I suppose. 21:09:08 Perhaps we should send a general announce out asking for people using epel-testing to remember to provide karma. 21:09:59 nirik: can we have maybe a utility for clients, that checks the client versions and reports a +1 if I run it? 21:10:02 can test our announce list too I guess. ;) 21:10:28 nirik: I'm usually using epel-testing, but I'm too lazy to set karma each time. If I could run a tool regulary, that could be nice... 21:10:47 well, there is 'bodhi -T' to list all 'testable' updates. 21:10:58 yes, but not at our customers at work, right? 21:11:33 I would like to see a tool, that marks every testing package installed on the system with +1, if I run it 21:11:53 (means no karma, if I have to downgrade, if -testing doesn't work) 21:11:55 well, are you sure you tested them all? 21:12:12 what if you never ran several of them at all? 21:12:14 rsc: just because it is installed doesn't mean you really tested anything 21:12:19 depends on what you expect by testing. How to test libraries, perl-* etc. 21:12:36 ideally you would test it against whatever bug it fixes... 21:12:57 but thats a lot of time. 21:13:06 nirik: or new features implemented in the newer source version 21:13:11 yeah. 21:13:37 from my experience, getting people to install a testing package is 90% unlikely 21:13:43 rsc: there is an open ticket against bodhi to create a tool that +1's all testing updates installed 21:13:44 I see the value in a tool tho... or have it go thru each one: 'package foovar-1111-1 from testing is installed. Did you test this? (y/n)' 21:13:59 lmacken: cool. 21:14:16 lmacken: that does require a cert tho, right? or can random people use that for anonymous? 21:14:30 nirik: no cert required... should be usable to anyone 21:14:39 lmacken: if that works without cert/auth, just anonymous, it could be cool 21:15:01 lmacken: on my f11 box I just tried and it throws an error with no cert. ;( 21:15:03 nirik: in the end, if n people have a testing package installed and nobody complains, it should work, shouldn't it? 21:15:18 nirik: ohhh, it may make a koji call.. 21:16:05 rsc: or none of them used it. 21:16:20 I could circumvent that in the future, but for now it does require a cert 21:17:53 yeah... would be good. 21:18:05 lmachen: would certainly open up potential for more 'non-developer' testing if you didn't need a cert 21:18:08 nirik: no risk, no fun 21:18:08 anything else anyone wants to say on qa/testing? anything we should do for now? 21:19:44 #topic Blocking packages already in RHEL 21:19:53 smooge: you have images to check against? 21:20:35 yes.. they downloaded last night 21:20:50 I am unpakcing them and comparing the lists by end of day 21:21:11 my link decided to go to 56k last weekend 21:21:12 cool. :) I guess update the list with what you find... we can file bugs and start dealing with things... 21:22:43 thanks smooge 21:23:09 #topic Open Floor 21:23:17 * maxamillion was afk dealing with $dayjob .... missed everything :( 21:24:00 anything else anyone has on anything? 21:25:00 * nirik will close things out in a few if nothing comes up. 21:26:06 Thanks for coming everyone. Sorry I didn't have more on the agenda. 21:26:21 thanks 21:26:22 #endmeeting