00:01:25 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01:25 Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:25 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01:34 #topic Roll Call 00:01:38 * Sparks 00:01:56 * ke4qqq 00:01:57 * joat . 00:01:59 * jjmcd . 00:02:15 * joat thinks Spark's calendar is just as busted as his 00:03:08 Good group so far 00:03:23 joat: My calendar is all messed up now that I'm doing an ST&E 00:03:42 * ke4qqq is in and out 00:04:00 Sparks: I'm still sans-calendar 00:04:05 waiting for account 00:04:11 * radsy shuffles in 00:04:21 * rudi is here 00:05:05 Okay, let's get started 00:05:22 #topic Beta Release Announcement 00:05:29 jjmcd: Go ahead, I think you added this 00:05:58 Well, its no surprise, is it. We need to get working on the release announcement 00:06:22 Isn't the updated GA like a week away? Not sure the exact date 00:06:56 20th? 00:06:58 jjmcd: I honestly haven't had a chance to look at my calendar in days 00:07:11 hehe - yeah, I know what you mean 00:07:18 November 17, I thought? 00:07:30 SRI - i meant beta 00:08:07 Beta is almost upon us and we need to do the announcement. Not a really big deal, tho, not like GA 00:08:34 Can we just take Alpha and just change it to Beta? 00:08:43 Pretty much 00:09:00 volunteers? 00:09:26 I can do some with someone to bounce thoughts off 00:09:49 preferably someone who doesn't live upside-down 00:10:09 * Sparks is living upside-down in Virginia! 00:10:33 All these upside down guys sleep when I'm awake! 00:11:03 I haven't seen Zach in a while, I'd twist his arm 00:11:54 jjmcd: Okay, maybe put something out on the list? 00:12:08 Yeah, maybe poke a few folks 00:12:53 Okay... anything else on this topic? 00:13:28 #topic f-r-n.rpm 00:13:36 jjmcd: Okay, what's up with this? 00:13:44 OK, mostly by way of a heads-up 00:13:59 Our schedule had us doing the beta rpm last tuesday 00:14:17 and did "we"? 00:14:17 With the schedule slip, I translated that to yesterday to get the max transations 00:14:33 Turns out, it needed to be done about 4 weeks ago to make it into beta 00:14:40 ?!? 00:14:49 Yeah, that's about what I said 00:15:02 How did that all work? That doesn't make sense. 00:15:08 So, no f-r-n.rpm in beta 00:15:46 Not sure. A lot changed between the time the schedule came out and when we talked with john and l10n to set it up 00:16:00 have we followed up with poelcat to make sure our schedule reflects proper date 00:16:02 but also, we weren't paying close attention to the freezes 00:16:05 for next release 00:16:34 Yes, that was an action item from the meeting, plus, I've been talking with Jesse to better understand the whole process 00:16:51 Which I've mostly been ignoring, sor of do whaterver the sked says 00:17:29 Bottom line, tho, I think is that we really need to own this. Having Jesse and Paul as owners makes us too disconnected 00:18:25 Thats what I have. Other questions? 00:19:10 what do you mean by "having us own this" 00:19:40 Release notes are owned by paul and jesse, so we can't, for example, submit a koji 00:19:56 jjmcd: I think you should be an owner 00:20:02 jjmcd: In addition to others as well 00:20:10 ahhh cvs perms 00:20:12 But first I need to better understand the whole process 00:20:30 I can make a RPM just fine, but I have little concept of what happens after that 00:20:42 In the past I've just handed it to Jesse and magic happens 00:21:10 jjmcd: It isn't that difficult to get it through. Heck, I've even done it. 00:21:18 I'm sure it isn't 00:21:30 Just need the map 00:21:46 heck, if you can do git, svn, and cvn, then you are golden! 00:21:59 jjmcd: I think it's on the wiki... I'll see if I can find it for you 00:22:22 Seems like I found it, and I felt like it had some holes but that was a while ago 00:22:51 Okay... 00:23:03 anything else on this topic? 00:24:07 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:24:23 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:24:41 Any update on this? 00:25:52 Anyone? 00:26:50 Okay then... 00:26:55 #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:27:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:27:17 I can't remember if I sent out the message to the list or not, now... 00:27:52 Will start rebuilding F11 and F12 guides RSN 00:27:53 But for those that are onboard, can you modify your license pages using the new publican-fedora brand and redo your uploads to docs.fp.o? 00:28:10 I'd like to have everything changed over by next Wednesday. 00:29:35 hehe - I didn't notice, but the RN's for L10N all say CC-BY-SA 00:29:43 Cool! 00:29:43 :) 00:29:54 Except for Chinese which hasn't run in a while 00:30:15 Sparks -- will do :) 00:30:49 Ya 00:30:51 rudi: Cool 00:30:56 Okay, anything else on this? 00:31:18 Is the Pravne odrdbe supposed to be always english? 00:31:37 is the who? 00:31:56 Legal Notice 00:32:10 It is in English for all langs, although it's title isn't 00:32:29 Yes 00:32:51 We aren't supposed to translate the legal notice as it might loose something in translation 00:33:10 Makes sense 00:33:30 jjmcd -- the title should be localised, the text should not 00:33:40 ANd that is the case 00:34:02 If you see a language where the title isn't localised, it's because the string "legal notice" is missing from the docbooks-locale file currently in Fedora 00:34:31 I see assamese isn't 00:34:52 There is currently no stylesheet for Assamese at all, even upstream 00:35:00 I'm working on that with the DocBook community 00:36:13 Okay, anything else on this topic? 00:36:46 #topic Shared open-source style guide 00:36:55 #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html 00:37:01 Does anyone have any updates on this? 00:38:42 * Sparks hears crickets chirping 00:38:53 Okay, moving on. 00:39:00 #topic Guide needs? 00:39:06 Any guides have any needs? 00:40:02 #topic New Guides 00:40:08 Any new guides on the horizon? 00:41:34 #topic Other business 00:41:38 Anyone have anything else? 00:42:32 Anything at all? 00:42:43 me 00:43:08 Just an update that Publican 1.0 is very near now -- should be finished within days 00:43:19 But it won't be in Fedora any time soon 00:43:25 whew 00:43:32 rudi: No? 00:43:48 Because we've been waiting weeks for dependencies get approved 00:44:14 At this rate, it actually looks like Publican 1.0 will be in *Debian* before it gets into Fedora... 00:44:20 Ugh 00:44:21 (I'm not exaggerating...) 00:46:51 Okay... Well, I don't know. 00:47:49 Anyone have anything else? 00:49:00 5 00:49:02 4 00:49:05 3 00:49:07 2 00:49:10 1 00:49:15 Thanks everyone for coming! 00:49:19 #endmeeting