18:12:25 <Oxf13> #startmeeting Fedora Release Engineering
18:12:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 19 18:12:25 2009 UTC.  The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:12:32 <Oxf13> #topic roll call
18:12:40 * notting is here
18:13:03 <Oxf13> ping: notting jwb rdieter wwoods lmacken warren dgilmore spot poelcat (and anybody else)
18:13:10 * lmacken is here
18:13:14 * warren here
18:14:01 <rdieter> here
18:15:47 <Oxf13> #topic Fedora 12 Beta
18:15:59 <Oxf13> Alright, so beta has been staged for mirrors, and mostly staged for torrents
18:16:07 <Oxf13> I still have to make the torrent ini files but then it'll be ready
18:16:13 <Oxf13> we release tomorrow in the morning.
18:16:41 <Oxf13> I'll set an at job to set the directory permissions open a few hours early which should let some mirrors open up before we send the announcement out
18:19:29 <notting> and then... final?
18:20:01 <Oxf13> sorry yeah had to take care of a dog trying to eat garbage
18:20:09 <Oxf13> #topic post Beta
18:20:23 <Oxf13> post beta we'll still be tagging things for f12-final.
18:20:35 <Oxf13> Things not in critical-path we still don't really care about, they basically get a free ride
18:20:49 <Oxf13> things in the crit path need extra special looking now, and i've asked the QA team to help us out with that
18:21:11 <notting> ... that's a lovely blocker list we have
18:21:23 <Oxf13> its going to be doubly challenging.  Maintainers are going to want fixes in ASAP, but we're going to want to test things first
18:21:43 <Oxf13> and I suspect we'll get a lot of "end of day" tag requests, which leaves only a few people around to test/tag things
18:22:38 <Oxf13> As Bill noted, we've got a large amount of bugs on F12BLocker
18:22:45 <notting> 66 or so bugs not in MODIFIED
18:22:46 <Oxf13> but we haven't had a blocker bug meeting on this list yet
18:23:05 <Oxf13> so it may not be as bad as it seems, or we may be doomed
18:23:28 <Oxf13> #info 66 or so (blocker) bugs not in MODIFIED
18:25:13 <Oxf13> regressions at this point would suck.
18:26:09 <Oxf13> Also, I'm going to be turning on the final fedora-release configuration soon, which includes gpg checking things, and the "updates" repos being enabled
18:26:18 <Oxf13> so we'll get people bitching if things are tagged without being signed
18:26:58 <notting> who is doing signing, and on what schedule?
18:27:00 <Oxf13> I think I can cheat a little bit and just schedule a signing run every night here from my house.  Slightly insecure, but it'll get hte job done
18:27:25 <Oxf13> I'll be doing the signing, both manually and scheduled.  I need to figure out how long an empty sign run takes and work backwards from the rawhide compose time from there
18:29:16 <notting> but as long as we're tagging things in the middle of the (US) business day, it shouldn't be an issue?
18:29:45 <Oxf13> shouldn't be
18:30:06 <Oxf13> I would ask you to try avoiding tagging things after 0500 UTC
18:30:09 <Oxf13> or well, between 0500 and 0700 UTC
18:30:34 <warren> Oxf13: regarding non-crit path
18:30:37 <Oxf13> yes?
18:30:53 <warren> Oxf13: is there a command to list all builds that are not tagged?   perhaps many maintainers don't know to ask
18:31:16 <Oxf13> list-tagged --latest dist-f12-updates-candidate ?
18:31:31 <Oxf13> I don't think I'm going to go out of my way to find more things to tag and sign
18:31:34 <warren> Oxf13: would it be wrong to post a reminder about tagging to f-d-a?
18:31:58 <warren> "If this is important to you ... then file a ticket."
18:32:03 <Oxf13> sure
18:32:09 <warren> ok
18:32:39 <warren> only 420 packages there
18:33:07 <Oxf13> "only"
18:34:29 <Oxf13> Any other thoughts on post-beta ?
18:36:09 <Oxf13> alright.
18:36:13 <Oxf13> #topic Open Floor
18:36:30 <Oxf13> My brain can't really handle anything other than F12 right now, but if anybody else has anything to talk about...
18:36:36 <nim-nim> Oxf13: is there repodata somewhere for beta?
18:37:03 <nim-nim> Oxf13: I need to update my "what packages were integrated for F12" page
18:37:32 <nim-nim> (don't need the packages themselves, just repodata tha can be queried)
18:38:18 <Oxf13> nim-nim: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/F12-Beta-RC2/Fedora/  that gets you what was in the "fedora" spin
18:38:22 <Oxf13> not the Everything though
18:38:36 <nim-nim> Oxf13: I need the Everything spin :(
18:39:06 <Oxf13> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/rawhide-20091015/development/
18:39:07 <nim-nim> Oxf13: we're very conservative, mark almost every package optionnal, and therefore they don't end up in spins
18:39:17 <Oxf13> "we" ?
18:39:30 <nim-nim> Oxf13: in the fonts SIG
18:39:35 <Oxf13> ok.
18:39:48 <nim-nim> Oxf13: thanks for the pointer!
18:41:08 <Oxf13> Anything else?  I'll end the meeting in a couple minutes
18:45:39 <Oxf13> #endmeeting