05:04:22 <tagoh3> #startmeeting i18n
05:04:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 27 05:04:22 2009 UTC.  The chair is tagoh3. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:04:37 <tagoh3> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-10-27
05:04:51 <paragn> hi
05:04:51 <pravins> hi
05:04:53 <tagoh3> I'm chairing today's meeting
05:05:31 <tagoh3> who's here today?
05:05:44 <juhp> hi
05:06:09 <dychen_> hi
05:07:05 <juhp> ping phuang, fujiwarat,
05:07:32 <phuang> hi
05:07:36 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:54 <tagoh3> let's get started
05:08:05 <tagoh3> #topic F12
05:09:16 <tagoh3> well, 12-beta has been out. and RC will be coming soon. please keep your hard work to find out any critical issues on beta and improve them on RC hopefully
05:10:16 <juhp> yeah I think f12 i18n is looking reasonably good - still I don't see any major issues currently?
05:10:28 <juhp> s/still/at least
05:10:44 <tagoh3> we have about one week for RC (Nov 4 is on the schedule)
05:11:53 <tagoh3> juhp: the keyboard issue on gdm seems to be gone - I haven't tried the fixed package yet though
05:12:00 <juhp> aha
05:12:17 <juhp> right
05:12:28 <juhp> that's good then
05:13:20 <tagoh3> any concerns on this topic? guess we could say something on the bugs topics later perhaps
05:13:52 <pravins> yeah, we will get some on test day
05:13:57 <juhp> yeah - I should probably have added TestDay at the end
05:14:18 <juhp> pravins: likely :)
05:14:26 <tagoh3> ok, let's talk about bugs first then.
05:14:41 <tagoh3> #topic bugs
05:15:27 <tagoh3> no blocker bugs for i18n related and some target bugs
05:17:00 <paragan> we need to check for F12Target and F12Blocker bugs
05:17:46 <tagoh3> paragan: sure. may missed any bugs without Cc'ing fedora-i18n-bugs
05:18:51 <juhp> well turns out there is one s-c-l bug cloned off a F12Blocker
05:19:13 <juhp> .bug 530698
05:19:15 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 530698 firstboot errors when loading modules: language module - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530698
05:19:18 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=530698 high, high, ---, psatpute, ASSIGNED, firstboot errors when loading modules: language module
05:19:19 <buggbot> Bug 530698: high, high, ---, psatpute, ASSIGNED, firstboot errors when loading modules: language module
05:19:31 <juhp> sorry doh - did it wrong again ;)
05:20:22 <juhp> seems the direct list does not show blockers of blockers...
05:20:36 <tagoh3> aha
05:21:31 <tagoh3> just need to add it to F12Blocker too?
05:21:57 <juhp> not sure when that started happening - think firstboot has been crashing for a while perhaps or was at least
05:22:08 <juhp> dunno
05:22:18 <pravins> i think but this will be quicj fix
05:22:27 <pravins> s/quick
05:22:43 <tagoh3> dunno if I saw that crash when I tried to install beta
05:23:13 <juhp> ok
05:24:17 <tagoh3> does it just work but output the error messages?
05:24:36 <juhp> maybe?
05:25:26 <tagoh3> aha. I've not paid more attentions on the console
05:26:40 <juhp> anyway I can't see more i18n issues on the blocker list
05:26:58 <tagoh3> anything concerns on i18n bugs to discuss now?
05:28:20 <pravins> QT
05:28:23 <tagoh3> that may be good to revisit other i18n bugs if you have a time - we have over 100 bugs. may need to triage them
05:28:33 <pravins> i have seen some bug for indic in qt
05:28:57 <tagoh3> pravins: bug number?
05:29:01 <pravins> rendering is not working at all, all thing look broken
05:29:07 <juhp> oh
05:29:29 <juhp> pravins: is it in bz?
05:29:36 <pravins> yes
05:30:01 <tagoh3> bug 528303?
05:30:03 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=528303 medium, low, ---, than, NEW, [ml_IN] Rendering of cons+virama+ra is wrong in KDE
05:30:15 <pravins> yeah, thanks
05:30:27 <juhp> pravins: is it just ml?
05:31:05 <pravins> yes
05:31:22 <pravins> i have seen, some time back with l1on, but looks they have not filed
05:31:34 <pravins> i have requested them to file
05:32:22 <juhp> hm
05:32:28 <juhp> pravins: more bugs? :)
05:32:42 <pravins> they will file soon
05:32:52 <pravins> i think we will get some in test day
05:32:58 <juhp> ok
05:33:17 <juhp> I think Ani was keen on contributing to TestDay
05:33:26 <pravins> yes
05:33:47 <pravins> bug 530085
05:33:48 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=530085 medium, low, ---, mclasen, NEW, [or_IN] - Editor's Title appearing with Underline for Oriya Lohit Fonts (Default Fonts)
05:34:30 <pravins> tagoh3: this is same we discussed last time
05:34:44 <pravins> but now in this case there is no fontconfig file as well
05:34:53 <tagoh3> pravins: aha
05:35:04 <juhp> hmm
05:35:31 <juhp> guess "editor" in summary is misleading?
05:36:08 <pravins> this bug is not appearing in gnome, but in KDE
05:36:21 <pravins> and i saw with firefox title bar as well
05:36:27 <tagoh3> pravins: have you tried to see with other ml fonts as I suggested before?
05:36:31 <juhp> oh
05:37:05 <pravins> thing is good now with ml fonts, as we modified fonconf file for smc
05:37:45 <tagoh3> pravins: which applications you use doesn't matter because the title bar is managed under the window manager.
05:38:10 * juhp updated the summary :)
05:38:12 <pravins> aha
05:38:25 <juhp> bug 530085
05:38:26 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=530085 medium, low, ---, mclasen, NEW, [or_IN] - window titles appearing with Underline for default Oriya Lohit Font
05:39:21 <tagoh3> is it still the theme issue?
05:39:28 <juhp> confused by "KDE" though
05:39:51 <pravins> i think so
05:40:03 <juhp> pravins: default theme is ok?
05:40:07 <pravins> no
05:40:13 <juhp> ok
05:40:37 <juhp> sorry but seems quite a bit of noise in the report
05:41:31 <pravins> hmm, but dunnon why problem happens with  with Kwriteand firefox application
05:41:44 <tagoh3> pravins: 530085 is appearing on kde only but not on gnome? - I'm getting confused.
05:41:58 <pravins> kde apps
05:42:00 <juhp> me too since it is against gnome-themes
05:42:01 <pravins> like kwrite
05:42:04 <juhp> on gnome?
05:42:13 <pravins> yeah, on gnome try open kwrite
05:42:21 <pravins> or firefox
05:42:26 <juhp> hmm
05:42:30 <tagoh3> how about kwrite on KDE say? is it ok?
05:42:51 * pravins checking
05:42:58 <juhp> app toolkit should not affect window decor
05:43:21 <tagoh3> unless the font itself is buggy ;)
05:43:34 <pravins> :)
05:44:26 <juhp> pravins: but gnome-terminal also has the line
05:44:38 <pravins> yeah
05:45:11 <pravins> but nautilas not, i am still confused why its no in consistent
05:45:43 <pravins> s/no in consistent/inconsistent
05:45:47 <juhp> pravins: just seems to depend on the font used in the title no?
05:46:22 <pravins> hmm
05:46:41 <juhp> does it make sense to reassign to lohit-oriya-fonts until it is fully triaged?
05:47:26 <juhp> ah
05:47:36 <pravins> juhp: looks good, though i have tried something with fonts
05:47:41 <pravins> i will try littlebit more
05:47:51 <pravins> might be some fonts attribute making problem
05:47:55 <juhp> thanks
05:48:01 <tagoh3> ok
05:48:53 <tagoh3> anything else we want to talk about on bugs?
05:49:28 <tagoh3> let's move on if nothing else.
05:50:31 <tagoh3> #topic test day
05:50:50 <juhp> okay I can update a little
05:51:00 <tagoh3> juhp: thanks
05:51:06 <juhp> the event is this Thu!
05:51:15 <juhp> in two days time...
05:51:31 <paragan> I think we don't need any more modification in test cases right?
05:52:01 <juhp> I think the testpage is getting there - should be closer to finished now - planning to do a bit more consolidation and simplifying of the testcases
05:52:11 <paragan> jlaska seems need some more input there
05:52:22 <juhp> paragan: well I think we might yes
05:52:25 <juhp> yup
05:52:36 <paragan> IMHO current test cases looks good
05:52:43 <juhp> ok
05:52:50 <juhp> but I feel 6 is too many?
05:53:37 <juhp> well it doesn't have to be absolutely perfect but I feel they could be improved a bit more...
05:53:39 <paragan> not sure if people will get confused by 1st and 2nd test cases
05:53:49 <juhp> hehe
05:53:54 <paragan> and also from 5th and 6th
05:54:07 <paragan> some might feel they looks similar
05:54:16 <juhp> indeed...
05:54:26 <tagoh3> got ibus bugs to im-chooser last time :)
05:54:26 <juhp> hence my comments but anyway
05:54:36 <juhp> aha
05:55:24 <juhp> anyway would appreciate people looking over them by tomorrow and sanity-checking itself
05:57:06 <paragan> juhp, sure
05:57:13 <tagoh3> do we need to have separate test case for the browser?
05:57:22 <juhp> should I talk through the testcases provided by Rui He?
05:57:34 <juhp> tagoh3: good question - maybe not...
05:57:50 <juhp> though browser printing is pretty important I guess
05:58:27 <juhp> I should have mentioned https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-10-29
05:59:10 <juhp> so I will try to cleanup a little more and then ask you guys to review and check
05:59:11 <tagoh3> juhp: right - since we are expecting people to test the rendering, the inputting and the printing, it may be good enough to have those three cases instead of 6? if we want to simplify it
05:59:15 <paragan> juhp, I guess we can have browser testcase for checking rendering in firefox, konqueror and then printing from it
05:59:22 <juhp> right
05:59:49 <juhp> I 3 or 4 testcases may be sufficient hopefully
05:59:52 <juhp> I hope
06:00:10 <juhp> yesterday I just massaged them a bit...
06:00:41 <juhp> and also trying to get fedora-l10n (FLP) to participate :)
06:01:02 <tagoh3> cool
06:01:30 <juhp> oh one more question: about the results...
06:01:44 <juhp> currently it is split by good/bad
06:02:00 <juhp> copied from an earlier testday
06:02:25 <juhp> I guess it helps to clarify feedback though might also mean two entries required
06:03:20 <juhp> also simpler columns than last time
06:04:15 <juhp> but since it is a bit more open ended this time maybe it is ok...
06:04:26 <juhp> that is about it I think
06:05:07 <tagoh3> two entries?
06:05:25 <juhp> anyway at the end of the day I guess the bug reports generated is most interesting but it is also good to have people testing our work
06:05:43 <juhp> tagoh3: as in two separate tables
06:06:08 <juhp> Problems identified and Just worked
06:06:10 <juhp> currently
06:06:18 <tagoh3> juhp: people just need to put into either of them?
06:06:43 <juhp> well hopefully not everything will fail or succeed :)
06:07:00 <tagoh3> aha
06:07:18 <juhp> hmm maybe it is too conspicuous dunno
06:07:37 <tagoh3> are you suggesting to have detailed result page per testcases then?
06:07:38 <juhp> and people will be shy to separate the problems so we might combine them?
06:08:36 <juhp> yeah so different testdays seem to use different result formats depending on what is appropriate I guess
06:08:59 <juhp> one even has script and testers would upload the output
06:09:35 <tagoh3> aha
06:09:46 <juhp> hmm let's see how things like after revising the testcases I guess
06:10:22 <tagoh3> ok, we could improve in next testday then.
06:10:58 <juhp> yeah
06:11:41 <tagoh3> ok, anything else to discuss?
06:13:24 <juhp> can't think of anything else :)
06:13:39 <tagoh3> that's everything on the agenda so far. if no one has any topics anymore, let's close the meeting
06:14:11 <tagoh3> thank you for the meeting, everyone.
06:14:30 <juhp> thanks tagoh3
06:14:40 <tagoh3> #endmeeting