00:00:59 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 29 00:00:59 2009 UTC.  The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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00:00:59 <quaid> oi
00:01:02 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:01:04 * Sparks 
00:01:15 * rudi is here
00:01:18 * Sparks wonders if zodbot was asleep
00:01:22 * marwalk .
00:01:24 * jjmcd is here
00:02:47 * danielsmw is making ramen but will be back in 2:15
00:03:00 <Sparks> #chair jjmcd
00:03:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jjmcd
00:03:24 * jjmcd wonders whether that is like alternate NCS
00:03:42 <Sparks> jjmcd: Yes
00:03:50 <Sparks> jjmcd: I know what happened last week.
00:04:02 <jjmcd> Bah ... I guess I'll have to pay attention
00:04:22 <Sparks> quaid: nice of you to join us tonight!
00:05:19 <Sparks> Okay, on with the show!
00:05:24 <Sparks> #topic Release Announcement
00:05:54 <Sparks> Last week we decided that the Release Announcement needed to be complete no later than 10 Nov.
00:06:11 <Sparks> I think there is already work being done on it.
00:06:30 <Sparks> Would anyone like to step up and take on this project?
00:07:20 <Sparks> This would be a quick project that would be good for a new or experienced member.
00:07:35 * jjmcd will be putting together the rpm around that time
00:08:00 <Sparks> jjmcd: You're excused this time
00:08:44 <Sparks> Well, I'll put out another plea later.
00:09:00 <Sparks> #topic Release Notes
00:09:02 <jjmcd> Isn't this one supposed to be mostly marketing?
00:09:08 <jjmcd> OK, RNs
00:09:13 <Sparks> jjmcd: How are things going?
00:09:32 <jjmcd> Thanks to rudi, the GA POs went to L10N behind the original schedule but ahead of the current schedule
00:10:03 <jjmcd> Also, I marked all the beats so folks don't sneak things in there
00:10:25 <jjmcd> There were more changes than I would have liked, but it shouldn't be too bad for L10N
00:11:05 <jjmcd> We had 4 or 5 bugs around mems size so I put in some weasel words that nobody will like
00:11:05 <Sparks> Cool
00:11:21 <rudi> Around 10% change
00:11:23 <Sparks> Are we still on track for being on time?
00:11:36 <jjmcd> yep, just waiting for L10N now
00:12:12 <Sparks> Cool
00:12:21 <Sparks> Did you get ownership/co-ownership of the RPM?
00:12:45 <jjmcd> Nope, still waiting on reviews of maiden rpm
00:12:59 <jjmcd> I'll email adam who volunteered to help off channel
00:13:15 <Sparks> Hmmm...  I don't like that you are waiting on the review of the rpm
00:13:26 <Sparks> Do you have the attention of someone that is going to review it?
00:13:32 <jjmcd> Not THE rpm, and rpm to get to be a packager
00:13:49 <Sparks> Ahhh
00:13:52 <Sparks> Okay
00:14:14 <jjmcd> There are a handful of folks who have provided input, but idle a week so I'll ask Adam what to do next
00:14:21 <quaid> +1 weasel words
00:14:48 <jjmcd> Colin Powell always said you gotta piss somebody off sometimes
00:15:33 <Sparks> I follow that rule way too often
00:15:35 <jjmcd> rudi helped a bunch on some stuff i had forgotten how to do
00:15:58 <jjmcd> that's a plus and a minus, plus I didn't spend a lot of time on it, minus i wasn't forced to remember how to do it
00:16:11 <rudi> jjmcd -- you mean the git stuff?
00:16:23 <jjmcd> No, the re-merging the po
00:16:45 <rudi> Ah yeah. Hopefully noone will need to remember that soon :P
00:16:50 <jjmcd> Well, I owulda screwed up the branch, too
00:17:19 <rudi> Someone once called that stuff "stupid knowledge" -- the knowledge of workarounds and kludges :)
00:17:33 <jjmcd> good assessment
00:17:48 <rudi> But the upside is that I think we're getting better at working with L10N
00:17:59 <jjmcd> Yeah, I think so
00:18:01 <rudi> And in the F12-F13 lull, I'd like to document that
00:18:07 <jjmcd> We still have some work to do tho
00:18:10 <rudi> Indeed
00:18:37 <Sparks> Okay, so do you need anything for the RNs?
00:18:55 <jjmcd> no, i think we're good for now
00:19:12 <Sparks> Okay.  Moving on
00:19:21 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:19:29 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:19:57 * Sparks just remembers he needs to update his package on the wiki
00:20:28 <Sparks> Okay, that's done.
00:20:58 <Sparks> My accessory packages, polls and advanced polls, have been pushed to stable so all that should be ready to go
00:21:32 <Sparks> Does anyone have any updates?
00:22:57 <Sparks> We'll need to jump on this project as soon as F12 is out the door.  I'd like to have this up and running by the end of the year for docs.fp.o.
00:23:21 <Sparks> Of course that is an arbitrary date but one that will give us something to work toward.
00:23:27 <Sparks> Anyone have anything?
00:24:06 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
00:24:19 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:24:28 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:25:10 <Sparks> I completed #7 earlier today based on a conversation I had with rudi last week and my regeneration of the SG over the weekend.
00:25:52 <jjmcd> So now we just review against our checklist?
00:26:02 <Sparks> I'm having problems regenerating the non-English versions of the SG, however, so I'll need some help with that but I think everything is squared away.
00:26:13 <Sparks> checklist?
00:26:25 <jjmcd> Well, step 8
00:26:31 <Sparks> jjmcd: yes
00:26:44 <Sparks> quaid: Did you get step 6 completed?
00:28:12 <Sparks> I spoke with ianweller earlier and he said: the status of the license change is that it's half done in the staging branch and that i can't get to it today but i can maybe get to it tomorrow
00:28:35 <Sparks> So that should knock out step 5
00:29:11 <Sparks> Okay, maybe quaid will be back with us later
00:30:22 <Sparks> Anything else?
00:31:39 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
00:31:43 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:32:11 <jjmcd> I think I got all the F12 RN tickets this week
00:32:46 <Sparks> I haven't checked them today but if everyone will go through the tickets and make sure everything is assigned and if you have any tickets assigned please make sure the notes are up to date
00:32:51 <Sparks> jjmcd: +1
00:33:22 <jjmcd> The note I put on each beat asks folks to submit a ticket for zero day changes
00:33:38 <Sparks> cool
00:33:50 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
00:34:32 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs?
00:34:44 <Sparks> Anyone have any guides that need anything?
00:35:04 <jjmcd> Looks like we might get some help on the ARG, we'll see
00:35:08 <rudi> Not a need -- but a heads-up that the new F12 Deployment Guide is now on d.fp.o and Transifex...
00:35:20 <jjmcd> goodness
00:35:21 <Sparks> jjmcd: ARG?
00:35:23 <Sparks> Oh
00:35:32 <jjmcd> :-)
00:35:39 <Sparks> rudi: Awesome
00:35:57 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'm having git issues tonight... :(
00:36:17 <jjmcd> Well it ain't near as frustrating as CVS
00:36:21 <rudi> That's perspectival's awesomeness to thank
00:36:42 <Sparks> jjmcd: CVS and SVN worked...  I can't get anything OUT of git
00:36:56 <Sparks> perspectival++
00:37:19 <jjmcd> Well see, less work that way
00:37:37 <Sparks> ya
00:38:24 <Sparks> I haven't looked at the accessibility guide lately...  that needs to be touched at some point
00:39:42 <Sparks> Anything else?
00:40:28 <Sparks> #topic New Guides
00:40:33 <Sparks> Any new guides?
00:40:40 <rudi> Ah -- I see I jumped the gun. Sorry!
00:41:02 <Sparks> rudi: No worries
00:41:03 <jjmcd> Is stickster writing the "Guide to bars in Toronto"?
00:41:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: Is that a new guide?  Publican or wiki?
00:41:43 <jjmcd> Well, Paul being an XML sort of guy, I assumed...
00:42:25 <Sparks> Well, we should encourage that to be put in the repo
00:42:57 <jjmcd> He did great in Berlin, but he may have had help from Jeroen
00:43:34 <Sparks> :)
00:43:42 <Sparks> Okay, any OTHER new guides?
00:44:06 <Sparks> #topic All other business
00:44:19 <Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
00:45:23 <marwalk> did you see the F12 beta writeup in Ars Technica?
00:45:25 <Sparks> anything?  anything at all?
00:46:13 <Sparks> marwalk: I didn't.
00:46:19 <Sparks> marwalk: url?
00:46:33 <marwalk> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look-under-the-hood-of-fedora-12.ars
00:47:16 <Sparks> F11 had rough edges?
00:47:26 <Sparks> Not as rough as F7, IMO.  :)
00:48:41 <Sparks> marwalk: Thanks for the link!
00:48:58 <marwalk> indeed :-)
00:49:07 <Sparks> anyone else?
00:50:32 <Sparks> Okay, well I'm closing it down!
00:50:40 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming tonight.
00:50:44 <Sparks> #endmeeting