21:00:33 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL
21:00:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Oct 30 21:00:33 2009 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:00:56 <nirik> #topic Init process
21:02:56 <nirik> who all is around for an epel meeting?
21:07:09 <stahnma> im here
21:07:17 <stahnma> just slow :)
21:07:18 <derks> here
21:09:24 <stahnma> anyone else?
21:09:39 * maxamillion is here (kinda)
21:10:18 * derks thinks an action item should be how to get more people to show up
21:10:37 <stahnma> maybe not have the meeting on a friday afternoon (US)
21:10:38 <stahnma> :)
21:10:54 <derks> true.  everyone quits early on friday
21:12:34 <nirik> we could change times again... but all times have been bad.
21:12:54 * nirik is working a work issue, so will be slow today.
21:12:59 <smooge> hre
21:13:26 <smooge> fuse issues?
21:13:49 <nirik> #topic Status update on action items
21:14:03 <nirik> smooge: anything on the rhel package blocking? have those been blocked?
21:14:32 <smooge> not yet. I wanted to get feedback from people and then feed them to dgilmore
21:14:59 <smooge> there are some packages that were dropped from RHEL (frysk) that we needed to go over if we wanted to 'unblock' them
21:15:21 <nirik> ah, possibly contact the fedora maintainers?
21:15:21 <smooge> (though frysk is 'dead' upstream so it might not make sense to make builds for it
21:15:39 <derks> there was talk that came up in #epel about python-setuptools still being in EPEL with a newer version than RHEL
21:16:19 <spot> derks: pls open a bug and cc me
21:16:23 <smooge> yeah.. thats a problem in that upstream put the package in and we didn't know it
21:16:36 <derks> spot, will do
21:16:36 <smooge> what we have done in the past is removed it from ous
21:17:12 <spot> at least, i can see if RHEL will consider updating to the newer setuptools
21:18:03 <derks> spot, I have a tracker open with our TAM to have some bugs backported so it is possible that the rhel version will bump in the near future
21:19:23 <derks> actually, just checked the repo... looks like python-setuptools was removed from EPEL
21:20:03 <dgilmore> nirik: python-setuptools was blocked
21:20:55 <dgilmore> its no longer in epel
21:22:00 <nirik> alright
21:23:12 <abadger1999> woah... we're talking seutptools in here too?
21:23:23 <dgilmore> abadger1999: its everywhere
21:23:27 <abadger1999> I have something to add about that:
21:24:14 <abadger1999> Apparently the setuptools that RHEL5 imported doesn't have the python-setuptools-devel virtual provide
21:24:31 <dgilmore> abadger1999: doesnt mean we can provide it
21:24:33 <abadger1999> So spec files may need to be changed to import python-setuptools when on RHEL <= 5
21:24:46 <dgilmore> abadger1999: right
21:25:07 <abadger1999> Just an FYI for python/EPEL packagers to be aware of.
21:26:23 <smooge> anything else?
21:27:13 <nirik> I think thats all on action items.
21:27:26 <nirik> #topic Fuse for 5.4 status
21:27:33 <nirik> rayvd posted a update to the list.
21:28:14 <nirik> we may want to poke remaining maintainers at some point.
21:29:10 <nirik> #topic Wiki pages
21:29:22 <nirik> Are we still doing any clean up on our wiki pages?
21:29:37 <nirik> the incompatible upgrades policy should probibly loose the draft notice.
21:32:14 <derks> I can help with wiki clean up if there were clear goals on what to add/change/etc
21:32:36 <derks> though i'm kind of new to the team so not sure if i can add much
21:32:56 <nirik> wiki cleanup is always hard...
21:33:48 <nirik> our pages are https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:EPEL
21:35:09 <nirik> I guess if anyone feels like cleaning up any of those pages, please do so.
21:36:11 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
21:36:22 <nirik> anything for open floor? shall we change meeting times? anything else?
21:36:39 <smooge> no open floor items
21:37:00 <smooge> I think the issue is that we need to work on anything in the mailling list and just do the meetinf as +1/-1 things
21:37:14 <smooge> if it can't be done on the mailling list.. its not important :)
21:37:50 <derks> smooge, not a bad idea... being that over the course of the week most people will hit the thread... rather than making it to this meeting
21:39:13 <nirik> yeah, mostly there isn't too much exiting in the epel world usually.
21:39:21 <nirik> we specalize in boring and stable. ;)
21:41:51 <stahnma> was the git update approved?
21:41:58 <stahnma> if we keep git-whatever commands available?
21:42:41 <smooge> I +1 if we change the spec file to keep compatibility
21:42:45 <stahnma> I was also wondering if communcation for broken updates/general epel stuff should maybe hit identi.ca and twitter
21:43:04 <stahnma> I think more people are apt to follow an epel account than join a ML these days
21:43:27 <stahnma> plus I'd rather overcommunicate if there will be breakage/etc
21:44:11 <derks> stahnma, though i hate to admit...  twitter always proves to get the word out on important things
21:44:50 <derks> soon as the twitispheere starts re-tweeting....  all hell breaks loose, and everyone knows about it whether they wanted to or not
21:46:22 <stahnma> that was my thought basically
21:47:58 * nirik doesn't tweet, so no idea there...
21:48:25 <nirik> I'm +1 to the git update as long as it keeps compatability. Might also keep it in testing extra long to make sure.
21:48:27 <smooge> I don't either.. but hey if the kids are doing it these days
21:48:59 <derks> nirik, I don't much either but search.twitter.com is useful to know what the world is thinking about a specific topic at any given time
21:49:16 <nirik> well, what info would we put there?
21:49:20 <nirik> we don't have much. ;)
21:49:57 <derks> nirik, for example: "Incompatible GIT update scheduled for XXXX-XX-XX #rhel #epel"
21:50:10 <derks> with a link to the wiki page that explains it
21:50:25 <nirik> I suppose, but it's not incompatible. ;)
21:50:35 * derks just making an example
21:51:31 <nirik> yeah, it's a thought. I just am not sure we have enough data to worry about it right now.
21:53:19 <stahnma> or EPEL is fully fully EL5.4 compatible
21:53:23 <stahnma> stuff like that
21:53:28 <stahnma> just idea
21:53:39 <stahnma> anyway, we can close the meeting
21:53:41 <stahnma> :)
21:54:32 <nirik> ok, I don't have anything else...
21:54:42 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
21:54:53 <derks> nirik, thanks
21:55:02 <nirik> #endmeeting