02:00:13 #startmeeting 02:00:13 Meeting started Wed Nov 4 02:00:13 2009 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:16 i always heard it was the chairpersons watch is to one that matters 02:00:20 .fas lcafiero 02:00:21 lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' 02:00:21 .fas jstanley 02:00:22 .fas rrix 02:00:24 jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' 02:00:27 PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' 02:00:30 .fas grantbow 02:00:30 .fasinfo jbwillia 02:00:33 Grantbow__: grantbow 'Grant Bowman' 02:00:34 #topic Fedora NA Ambassador meeting 11/3 02:00:37 VileGent: User: jbwillia, Name: Ben Williams, email: vaioof@yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: Southern_Gentleman, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100572, GPG key ID: 295A4FBC, Status: active 02:00:37 .fasinfo actown 02:00:40 VileGent: Approved Groups: cla_done ambassadors freemedia cla_fedora gitcourses irc-support-operators 02:00:43 VileGent: Unapproved Groups: None 02:00:44 .fas smcbrien 02:00:46 Ac-town: User: actown, Name: Derrick Dymock, email: actown@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-10-03, IRC Nick: Ac-town, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, Extension: 5138529, GPG key ID: 0xFEB5BB3B, Status: active 02:00:49 Ac-town: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora sysadmin-test blogadmin 02:00:52 Ac-town: Unapproved Groups: sysadmin ambassadors 02:00:55 StabbyMc: smcbrien '' 02:01:05 Wow, zod handled that well 02:01:05 Anyone else for roll call? 02:01:10 poor zod :) 02:01:32 #topic NA Events 02:01:45 Ok lcafiero you have the floor 02:01:48 * lcafiero raises hand 02:01:51 Thanks, StabbyMc 02:02:16 I just wanted to bring up to beat the holiday rush that SCaLE is being held on Feb. 19-21 in Los Angeles. 02:02:46 lcafiero: what is the deadline to register? 02:02:51 lcafiero: what kind of events are at SCaLE? 02:02:54 The Linux Dairy Council, which I'll talk about more later, wants to do a "megabooth" which SCaLE thinks would be OK 02:03:17 SCaLE is the Southern California Linux Expo -- it's sort of the first big show of the year. 02:03:31 So there's a booth and talks and we normally have a FAD 02:03:40 Which we'll probably have this year as well. 02:04:10 * jds2001 wants to get out there again..... 02:04:29 The idea that's being bounced around is having one large booth/one large area for all distros and desktops to be together. 02:04:46 So I don't know how that affects budget, but I will be asking for sponsorship again. 02:04:53 I just wanted to put this on the radar. 02:05:08 * nb here 02:05:10 Unless there are questions, I can put more information on the mailing list 02:05:11 i'm confused by that... It's a Linux expo... and they want to group all the linuxen into one big group? 02:05:14 * VileGent wants to go, and will if finances allows 02:05:34 * PhrkOnLsh will go if rents approve. I'll chill in the Fedora booth :) 02:05:38 PhrkOnLsh, sounds like what most east coast cons 02:05:41 Not that confusing, PhrkOnLsh -- in the past, we were on one end of the floor, OpenSUSE on another, Ubuntu on even another. 02:05:58 and KDE way out where 02:06:04 etc etc 02:06:17 The megabooth idea, floated by Joe Brockmeier of OpenSUSE, would have all the distros and DEs together 02:06:26 DE = Desktop Environment 02:06:32 ahh 02:06:46 well, i thought it meant they'd be represented as one :) 02:06:49 And all the other exhibitors wherever they may fall on the floor map. 02:06:51 and I omgwtfbbq'd 02:06:57 Heh. 02:07:01 oh, no :) 02:07:06 but we do all get along :) 02:07:24 I'll bring toiler paper ;) we can TP the *buntus ;) 02:07:29 02:07:52 Any other events need mentioning? 02:07:52 But I wanted to just bring everyone up to speed on this. 02:08:09 * jds2001 needs to do blog post on CPOSC 02:08:11 * jds2001 fails 02:08:32 lcafiero: We probably need to add this as a recurring event once a month, maybe more when it looms closer. 02:08:47 Got it, StabbyMc (makes a note) 02:09:05 jds2001: anything good for CPOSC? 02:09:08 hopefully its on the event list 02:09:49 StabbyMc: well attended, excellent venue this year, got a lot of compliments on the booth 02:09:58 the vertical banners were a big hit :) 02:10:04 the ubuntu folks loved em 02:10:07 +1 big hit at UTOSC too. 02:10:12 jds2001: what kind of traffic did you get? 02:10:13 (sorry) 02:10:48 nm, I'll wait for the report ;-) 02:10:50 StabbyMc: reasonable 02:10:52 Other events? 02:10:52 sorry 02:11:26 Ok, then lets shift gears. 02:11:26 ABLEconf was weekend before last. I gve out a ton of media. 02:11:32 oops. 02:11:33 But I already blagged about it. 02:11:36 move along :) 02:11:41 :-) 02:11:47 #topic NA Budget 02:12:00 So I had an interesting thing come up this week RE Budget. 02:12:14 I was hoping some of the more experienced ambassadors could advise. 02:12:29 I have a friend who switched his company over to all Fedora thinclients. 02:12:43 He'd like to donate the savings from the conversion to us. 02:13:04 But since our budget and whatnot is handled by RH, and he doesn't want to write a check to RH ... 02:13:15 So inode0 suggested that he buy us stuff. 02:13:27 +1 02:13:40 Someone else suggested that they use that money to pay an employee for some hours to donate to an OSS project. 02:14:03 +1 as well 02:14:04 Could you tell us how much we're talking about here? 02:14:07 alright folks I'm out, sorry for splitting so early. 02:14:11 I think the first option, where he buys us stuff is more likely, though he's only going to want to do one transaction. 02:14:19 lcafiero: we haven't gotten that far. 02:14:22 Just curious, but if you can't that's okay. 02:14:22 +1 for the oss project 02:14:25 Ah, got it. 02:14:39 I'm still trying to figure out the mechanics of how one could donate to Fedora. 02:14:59 There are no mechanics for giving cash to Fedora in NA 02:15:01 I don't know if you can, StabbyMc 02:15:06 (what inode0 said) 02:15:10 StabbyMc, i say buy some swag 02:15:17 Well, not by writing a check, no. 02:15:20 You can give cash the non-profit in EMEA 02:15:32 Ok. 02:15:37 but that will be locked away in EMEA 02:15:54 not really, they can spend it how they see fit 02:15:57 * nb wonders why not to make a nonprofit in NA 02:16:06 lots of reasons. 02:16:08 don't go there nb :) 02:16:16 I have a feeling that he'd be OK with buying swag, but I think he's going to want to keep it to one transaction, so once i know how much we're talking about, I can advise more. 02:16:32 that's likely the best 02:16:38 actually there is ongoing work to that end, but let's discuss it later 02:16:45 and we'd like to give his company credit somehow, too. 02:16:48 But I also thought this was a topic that would be good to just throw out there so some newer ambassadors could benefit from the discussion as welll. 02:16:52 Also, putting an employee on an OSS project would be good, too. 02:17:15 jds2001: I don't think you want to do that, they're ... um ... Adult Themed. 02:17:27 ok, then maybe not :) 02:17:56 Ok, so I'll follow up on that, and see what I can nail down. 02:18:03 This has some promotional possibilities for all involved -- media-wise. 02:18:04 maybe they can work a deal with gnaughty? 02:18:13 but do let me know who they are so I can utilize their products :D 02:18:20 lol 02:18:29 Anyone else have any Budget items? 02:18:43 don't you? 02:18:51 I don't know, do I? 02:19:02 swag research? 02:19:21 inode0: I need more to jog my slow mind. 02:19:28 well i was looking into usb keys and they are still way too expensive $9.20 each in 500 quanities 02:19:42 shirts, clings, etc 02:19:57 inode0: ah, I have that in the "Task List Review" section! 02:20:04 1gb or 2gb size same price 02:20:19 * inode0 stops trying to run the meeting, slaps his own fingers 02:20:25 lol 02:20:36 I've also noticed some artificial limits on downward pricing of USB sticks 02:20:37 No, let me do that for you, inode0 02:21:03 swag wise what do we have the most of 02:21:30 #topic Swag and Task List Review 02:21:35 sticker sheets and tattoos 02:21:36 or what do we need i guess is the best question 02:21:37 * jds2001 has stuff left over from CPOSC, but not shirts. 02:22:06 BTW, how much do we pay per piece for the splatter shirts? 02:22:20 * StabbyMc is curious. 02:22:23 about $6 02:22:34 * jds2001 has tattoos (which i didnt even realize were in the bag til tmz pointed it out), pens, stickers, etc. 02:23:18 the old white shirts were about $3.75 02:23:25 So the regional distribution folks, we running low on anything in particular? 02:23:34 most everything 02:23:44 Usually everything. 02:24:01 * jds2001 will take inventory and get back with what I've got that's sitting in my apartment and doing nothing productive. 02:24:04 So is there anything so awesome that we want to do a replenishment order instead of ordering new items? 02:24:17 I left all the stuff for the West Coast in the event box, so that's all I have, and I think herlo still has it. 02:24:23 what new items are under consideration? 02:24:41 If I remember correctly, we're still good with tattoos, pens and case badges 02:24:50 PhrkOnLsh has been working on stressballs, but is just starting the research to getting quotes. 02:24:59 * lcafiero has been very stingy with case badges. 02:25:02 I 02:25:10 I've been working on Window Clings 02:25:13 * inode0 applauds lcafiero 02:25:23 I think those are the only new items in the pipeline. 02:25:25 window clings +1 02:25:42 Ok, I wanted to talk a little about those. 02:25:43 we have probably 1K pens floating about 02:26:05 So I got some samples and the window clings I got are only cling-y on one side. 02:26:24 Plus they only cling to smooth surfaces, so like my IBM laptop, no love. 02:26:29 Windows they work like champs. 02:26:53 what is the cost on them? 02:26:58 and how big? 02:26:58 But for about the same money as clings we can get nice vynl stickers like what they have in EMEA 02:27:41 which vinyl sticker are you talking about 02:27:53 nice stickers aren't all that expensive, just need someone to line them up and we'd buy some 02:27:56 .277 cents per piece if we order 2500. 02:28:07 so like $700 02:28:17 For clings 02:28:44 half that amount I'd sign off on without thinking about it 02:29:00 1250 of those seems like quite a lot to me 02:29:20 price/piece probably goes up though 02:29:25 not everyone would want to decorate their cars and houses with them 02:29:35 1000 is a lot 02:29:45 get my point :) 02:29:49 inode0: 530 for 750 of them. 02:30:17 but they dont eat, and you dont have to change their diaper 02:30:18 I'd have to think on that 02:30:23 But I've been thinking that vynl stickers would appeal to a larger audience. 02:30:34 yeah, they would 02:30:42 StabbyMc: they would, but don't think either/or 02:30:45 depends on the sticker you are refering to 02:30:46 so is pricing similar on those? 02:31:13 jds2001: I looked only briefly at it, but I seem to remember that it was similar. 02:31:42 StabbyMc, are you referring to the 3" voice sticker 02:31:43 VileGent: EMEA has a sticker that's vynl of the Finity. 02:31:55 we can get sticker sheets like BF sells with a 3" bubble and 6 case badge style stickers for under 50 cents a sheet iirc 02:32:13 Theirs is diecut, which makes it more pricey. I'd want to do a square and if someone wanted just the finity they could cut it themselves. 02:32:18 is a url available to see the sticker? 02:32:38 * inode0 would want them pre-cut 02:32:46 I haven't done a lot of research on the sticker, so I don't have mockups or pricing and whatnot. 02:33:03 I'm just looking at the cling and comparing that with the desires of VileGent and feeling that it falls far short. 02:33:17 http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=139 02:33:26 inode0: pre-cut as in not a sheet? 02:33:32 on a roll or something? 02:33:36 crappy image but those are nice stickers and we can do something similar for a reasonable cost 02:33:56 jds2001: no, a sheet but the stickers peel off, you don't need to cut anything 02:34:07 jds2001: more that when you peel them off the back, they're a shape, rather than square. 02:34:12 oh, ic 02:34:14 damn it - why don't redhat pages load in Chromium? 02:34:26 that's a brandfuel page, not a RHT one :) 02:34:28 http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=37_52 02:34:41 inode0: we can look at the numbers, but I have a feeling that die cut is going to be more expensive. 02:34:49 seems to be the one most people perfer 02:35:13 we had a vendor lined up for those at one point 02:35:17 VileGent: yes something like that, but not $2 per piece ;-)_ 02:35:53 the bottom line is that everyone likes nice stickers 02:36:10 so when someone lines them up we'll do everything we can to fund them 02:36:10 But my larger question is ditch the clings and start looking at stickers? Keep the clings and not stickers? Or keep clings and also look at stickers? 02:37:01 * inode0 votes for both but would like a smaller amount of clings for less money which he might not get 02:37:14 is there any of our current supplies that we need to replenish? 02:37:38 nb: yes but that is always the case 02:37:39 inode0: the pricing looks really good at 2500+, less than 1000 I think it'll be difficult to get a good number vs. what we're paying for them. 02:37:52 if you buy 300 shirts they will go right out the door 02:38:06 yeah 02:38:31 we are almost always out of shirts because we can't pace ourselves :) 02:38:58 we should make ppl do something for them 02:39:07 sign up in FAS == shirt 02:39:16 they'd go a lot slower at that rate. 02:39:28 jds2001, that works at cons we have network access 02:39:51 Ohio Linuxfest is not the case as you know 02:39:57 yeah :( 02:40:15 * jds2001 keeps hoping beyond hope that they'll fix that 02:40:31 So my other SWAG item is button-ups. I'm waiting on a proof from the vendor. 02:40:35 but internet there is prohibitively expensive aiui 02:40:41 I'm always for expanding our inventory of new things 02:40:48 They'll be about $30 + shipping. 02:40:54 Replacing old things is easier but a bit boring 02:41:04 not all that bad.... 02:41:28 Our first run is white shirts I think. That's the demo shirt I've ordered. 02:41:37 inode0, case badges and stickers are always very popular 02:41:43 With the virtical logo applied to the left chest. 02:42:31 Anyone who wants more details can hit me up in fedora-ambassadors post-meeting. 02:42:43 they look nice on the web 02:42:52 is NA making a polo order any time soon? 02:43:07 and they won't be ambassador specific, for anyone in Fedora 02:43:37 nb: someone on the list needs to poke pcalarco 02:43:42 ok 02:44:24 So I feel like I butted in on a convo about replenishment orders. 02:44:46 Are we spending money on replenishment? 02:44:51 someone can suggest a specific thing for swag if they would like to 02:44:59 I don't know that I'll have my stuff ready to be paid by end of quarter. 02:45:15 I like my Novell penguin 02:45:21 but they're probably pretty expensive 02:45:36 I'm not sure we have any money to spend, will run whatever we want up the flagpole 02:46:17 this Q ends in 2 weeks more or less 02:46:22 ! 02:46:35 If I had to vote, I'd say Splatter Tees and case badges. 02:46:44 spevack: can you comment? Do we have something that needs acting on before the end of the quarter? 02:46:55 F12 at the end of the quarter, nice 02:47:07 StabbyMc: you just said $3,000 - I don't see that happening in the short term 02:47:20 I was going to ask about F12 media -- has that been brought up? 02:47:31 youre a mindreader lcafiero :) 02:47:35 we are buying it :) 02:47:39 :) 02:47:44 I hope a little less of it 02:47:47 It's going to hit Q4's budget though, right? 02:47:47 but the money has been budgeted and set aside. 02:47:53 Less would be OK, I think. 02:47:53 from whom, how much does it cost, is it budgeted? 02:48:06 yes, it is taken care of 02:48:10 Whew. 02:48:22 thanks, inode0 02:48:32 I think it costs around $4,000 02:49:05 I need to check on the DIY sleeve, not sure how far long that is. 02:49:15 DIY sleeve? 02:49:18 that is a good idea 02:49:36 it was a discussion on the artwork mail list - a one pager to fold as a CD sleeve 02:49:50 I'll report back next time 02:50:52 Ok, if no objections I'll put us to open floor? 02:51:04 * inode0 needs to step aside for 5 minutes, will be back to talk about FreeMedia asap 02:51:24 #topic Open Floor 02:51:34 Any topics for open floor? 02:51:48 (besides inode0 who we're waiting for) 02:54:31 Yes. 02:54:34 Wait a minute 02:54:45 I had something earlier. 02:54:54 I'll yield until I can think of what it is. 02:55:01 * lcafiero reminds everyone that age is cruel 02:55:28 * inode0 is back 02:56:12 shall I go on FreeMedia? 02:56:16 yep 02:56:54 I'm frustrated as are others with one aspect of the way things are working currently and would like to investigate making a change 02:57:14 the problem: the request form is only open for 2 or 3 days a month 02:57:37 the reason: that is long enough to overwhelm some regions with so many requests they can't fill them 02:58:01 the problem for NA: we only get 20 requests per month this way and we could fill many more 02:58:26 my goal: have the NA request form open all the time 02:58:34 i have some to add when you get done inode0 02:58:41 have you talked to susmit about it? 02:58:48 maybe he could do that. 02:59:15 I just opened an infra ticket requesting some solution to this problem today 02:59:20 jds2001, it is not really possible the way it is currently set up to block some regions and allow others 02:59:28 my idea is to make fedorahosted.org/freemedia-na 02:59:34 * inode0 yields to nb 02:59:36 and have fedoraproject.org/freemedia/na-form.html or something 03:00:00 it would use the same "freemedia" group in FAS 03:00:15 yeah, that was a hack to do 03:00:24 * jds2001 did the web side of that 03:00:30 i'd rather not perpetuate it 03:00:51 and it's not perfect, either 03:00:53 or link people to new ticket in trac and tell them to make their request tehre? 03:01:13 can a non-authenticated person make a new ticket in trac? 03:01:17 mainly I just don't want one region of the world to block the rest of the world in their efforts to spread Fedora through this program 03:01:22 jds2001, they do now with the freemedia form 03:01:24 if so, that'd be a solution 03:01:28 it runs as an unauthenticated user 03:01:42 oh, i didnt know if it did or ntop 03:01:49 so i assume they could use the normal interface (as long as unauthenticated has TICKET_CREATE) 03:01:55 with NA, we dont have to worry so much about the language thing 03:01:57 i looked at the code a little today 03:03:08 do we have mexico and canada people that can take those tickets? 03:03:13 or people from USA that will ship there? 03:03:23 canadians handle canada nowq 03:03:25 Isn't mexico part of latam 03:03:26 * jds2001 just looked and anonymous doesnt have TICKET_CREATE 03:03:59 and yes, mexico is not part of NA in this respect 03:04:00 jds2001, they remove it when the form closes 03:04:09 oh 03:04:59 * lcafiero thinks it should be, geographically speaking, but probably functions better in latam. 03:05:35 my argument holds for them too and everyone else who wants to keep their form open 03:06:24 for several months I didn't participate because there were no unfilled NA requests 03:07:28 probably we should raise the idea on the FreeMedia list for everyone's consideration 03:07:52 I just wanted to let FAmNA know I kicked off the disccussion and get feedback from you first 03:09:42 Other open floor? 03:09:53 Yes, the Linux Dairy Council (that was it) 03:10:02 lcafiero: you pull that item out of the netheregions of you mind? 03:10:13 Yeah, I'm lactose intolerant :-) 03:10:25 So noted. 03:11:04 Ok it's getting to be about that time, any other items? 03:11:08 But anyway, earlier this year (I think) Paul Frields and Joe Brockmeier and others talked about forming a sort of distro consortium around promoting desktop Linux 03:11:32 Anyway, herlo and I were at the first irc meeting a few days ago and it looks like it's shaping up to be an interesting group. 03:11:44 url? 03:12:01 So I wanted to mention that it's getting started after being dormant for a better part of the year. 03:12:27 IRC = #linuxdairy in freenode and url = http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council 03:12:35 It's a mailing list at the moment. 03:12:37 ty 03:12:50 Sort of a committee of correspondence. 03:13:04 That's all -- I'll be posting updates, as warranted, on the mailing list. 03:13:11 Cool. 03:13:12 * inode0 cringes at the connection with the dairy council every time he sees it 03:13:39 * StabbyMc gets ready to call the meeting to a close unless someone stops me. 03:14:01 Yeah, we've had this discussion, inode0 -- it's the idea of a consortium moreso than anything, and the name is not etched in stone 03:14:22 5 03:14:32 4 03:14:38 3 03:14:47 2 03:14:53 1 03:14:58 #endmeeting