15:05:08 #startmeeting Power management for Fedora 15:05:08 Meeting started Thu Nov 5 15:05:08 2009 UTC. The chair is pknirsch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:05:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:05:17 hello and welcome everyone! 15:06:04 hello 15:06:22 i hope everyone had an enjoyable week so far. lets get started with a quick check who's here today 15:06:45 marcela already accounted for. plautrba, skalnik1? 15:07:51 alright, lets get started anyhow. 15:08:17 pknirsch: skalnik ist da 15:08:23 #topic Recap from 2 weeks ago 15:08:45 pknirsch: time shifting :-( 15:08:57 i'll make this quick: We mainly focused on the last issues for the Fedora Test day on 22-10-2009. 15:09:24 main point there was the testrpm that was done to make testing easier 15:10:16 then we went on to documentation where marcela has done a tremendously great job in putting together a really nice page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/PowerManagement/UserDocumentation 15:10:55 that concluded the meeting then. we've also decided to not do a meeting last week due to the test day. 15:11:13 which leads us directly to the next topic 15:11:23 #topic Test day recap and discussion 15:12:04 i wanted to get your honest opinion on the test day and how it went, what went well and what could have gone better 15:12:12 so any comments from anyone> 15:12:13 ? 15:12:51 I suppose we were prepared well and QA was happy with our rpm 15:13:18 mhm 15:13:35 on results is working jvcelak (who's not here), so we will see 15:13:35 i see that the same way, yea. 15:14:26 results is other thing, we definitely need comparisom between this TestDay and the TestDay before 15:14:46 yes, definitely. Is he working on a comparison as well? 15:15:07 more attendees joined to the second test day 15:15:43 I saw only some graphs from this TestDay. I don't know 15:16:11 thats true, skalnik1, and i was really happy to see that. 15:16:51 what would you think were the reasons for a higher participation? the test rpm? better announcement? 15:17:14 or better wiki test day page? 15:17:22 or any other reason? 15:18:15 perhaps we write something to mailing lists time to time 15:18:21 I believe rpm. It was easy to do 15:18:45 and the people have chance to know about our activities 15:19:14 i don't believe we are only 5,6,7 persons that are involved to pm 15:19:49 hm, would you think sending out agendas and/or meeting minutes e.g. to fedora-devel would be good, skalnik1 ? 15:20:40 but i agree with marcela as well. i really loved the test rpm 15:21:12 and before i forget, thanks everyone for putting so much effort in the whole preparation! 15:21:42 i think to propagate more results and also ask people for participating, help etcc 15:22:08 meeting minutes are available on SIGs, this is enough to write the link 15:23:06 ye, true. but maybe an invitation every couple of months? sort of like a reminder? or write an announcement when we finished something new? 15:23:12 s/months/weeks/ 15:23:40 reminder about new things would be great 15:24:31 pknirsch: yes invitation and also i wanted to invite some famous person to discuss here actual activity 15:24:36 for example i really love how the documentation has come together so far, so we could just send out a short email to fedora-devel and let people know whats there now. 15:24:45 but i was not successful 15:25:02 what was the problem? 15:25:07 no answer 15:25:10 :( 15:25:27 for my email 15:25:59 ok, no problem, I can send email to f-devel about docs 15:26:40 great marcela! i think you really deserve a lot of credit for it. 15:28:24 um, I've also used your readme from tuned ;-) 15:28:27 thats too bad skalnik1. but maybe if we just make our efforts a bit more visible more people will actively participate as well, so lets try. 15:28:37 thats fine marcela :) 15:30:21 hm, but we've been drifting a bit away from the test day recap. 15:30:26 so anything bad about the test day? 15:31:33 incorrect synced illness 15:31:37 pknirsch, for next release more advertiseing in like the #fedora channel may help get more testers 15:31:59 Southern_Gentlem: good point! 15:32:23 hehe skalnik1 :) can't avoid that for the future i suspect ;) 15:32:44 a wiki page url posted every 30 minutes can be easily scheduled 15:33:50 can the irc server do that? or a bot? 15:36:40 bots 15:37:01 zodbot and fedbot both can 15:37:10 sweet, cool! 15:37:49 i am fully functional 15:37:56 haha 15:38:03 * pknirsch slaps fedbot 15:39:00 contact nirik or any of us in #fedora-ops to set that up 15:39:53 alright! i'll write that down for the next test day event 15:41:46 i personally was really happy with the test day as well. there were 2 points i think we can improve/add for the next one: 15:42:21 1) Make sure we have all tests ready early so we can include them all into the test-rpm. Having ALPM test outside of the test-rpm was a bit unfortunate. 15:43:19 2) Investigate if we can use the automatic upload script that mmcgrath i think showed us and integrate and/or extend it in the test-rpm. That would make it even easier for testers to test and post results. 15:44:10 Together with 2) i think the script could also output the entry for the test-day wiki that testers need to enter as it should have all the necessary information. 15:44:23 ad 2/ the script wasn't for fedora wiki 15:44:41 firstly the scripts must be written for this kind of wiki... 15:44:57 hm, do the results have to be published on fedora? 15:45:13 hm :) good point 15:46:02 pknirsch, to do transparent a link should exist the the data on the wiki 15:46:16 if the data is stored elsewhere 15:46:46 Southern_Gentlem: hm, what do you mean? 15:47:02 if bugs are found that data needs to be in the bugzilla correct?? 15:47:19 hm, yea, i guess so. 15:48:30 and why should the test data be private 15:49:18 it wouldn't be on the other data server, Southern_Gentlem. it's just as accessible, only that the script already exists to upload it to iirc mediawiki or something like that. 15:50:08 * pknirsch needs to search for the script once more... he had it somewhere... 15:52:40 alright, but lets move on as i need to leave early today 15:52:49 anyone else got anything regarding test day? 15:53:21 ok, so lets quickly touch documentation then 15:53:28 #topic Documentation 15:54:13 As mentioned before, marcela has done a fantastic job so far with the docu. If anyone is interested, feel free to take a look here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/PowerManagement/UserDocumentation 15:55:35 i have gotten already some feedback marcela, i'll forward them to you tomorrow (totally forgot so far, sorry!) 15:56:00 it's overall really positive, so no worries :) 15:56:44 I hope rest do someone borned in english speaking country ;-0 15:56:47 just a few missing points and sections, but i already knew about most of them (programmer tips, howto use powertop to help you optimize your system) 15:57:02 don't worry marcela ! it's good :) 15:57:39 i'll participate on bltk 15:58:17 great! 15:58:24 well, someon wanted programmer tips in different article 15:58:57 yea 15:59:30 Depending on how much we can put together we could do a second wiki page with DeveloperDocumentation maybe? 15:59:39 I suppose so 16:01:17 anything you think is still missing, marcela? or where you'd like to get some more input from other people? I've already asked richard to add a section about g-p-m, but i suspect he hasn't had time yet to do so. 16:01:50 pknirsch: I'm confident with my work and I have no other ideas about this article 16:02:06 marcela: alright, thats fine :) 16:03:45 um content :) 16:03:58 hehe :) 16:05:54 alright, anyone else got anything? if not i'll send out a quick update for the task list to you folks tomorrow. it just has a bit more for documentation on it now together with QE stuff. but we can talk about the QE stuff next week. 16:06:42 and ofc about jvcelak results :) 16:07:35 alright, thanks everyone and talk to you next week again! 16:07:41 #endmeeting