01:01:18 <poelcat> #startmeeting Fedora 12 Go/No-Go 01:01:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 10 01:01:18 2009 UTC. The chair is poelcat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:01:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:01:28 <jlaska> howdy 01:01:36 <poelcat> #chair jlaska Oxf13 01:01:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: Oxf13 jlaska poelcat 01:01:57 <poelcat> anyone else want to chair? 01:02:03 * poelcat just starting the meeting :) 01:02:16 * nirik is hanging around in the cheap seats. 01:02:28 <mmcgrath> go 01:02:30 <mmcgrath> meeting over 01:02:35 <mmcgrath> :) 01:02:40 <Oxf13> oh hai 01:02:58 <Oxf13> notting is probably putting his kids to sleep 01:03:09 * Sparks is here if needed 01:03:14 * notting is here 01:03:15 <Oxf13> and there is notting 01:03:29 <Oxf13> notting: you joined just as I was telling folks you might not be joining 01:03:40 <jlaska> adamw should be joining soon as well 01:03:45 <jlaska> mmcgrath: I like it :) 01:03:49 * wwoods here if needed 01:04:18 * poelcat shakes the magic 8 ball and retrieves https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303&hide_resolved=1 01:04:23 <jlaska> alright, QA represent! 01:04:30 <adamw_> yo, did i miss much? 01:04:42 <jlaska> adamw: nope, assembling 01:04:49 <jlaska> wwoods: nothing foamy please 01:04:53 * wwoods also drinking a martini 01:04:55 <adamw_> excellent 01:05:00 * adamw_ is in the mall 01:05:18 <adamw_> goin to starbucks tofind a table 01:05:23 <Oxf13> My drinking will be later, I closed on my house today, getting keys in an hour or so 01:05:30 <jlaska> Oxf13: congrats :) 01:05:46 <adamw_> wwoods: ready to become the Martini of Celebrattion or of Consolation i suppose 01:06:06 <jlaska> alright ... so shall we get started? 01:06:13 <notting> Oxf13: so, you're out the rest of the week moving and unpacking? :) 01:06:25 <poelcat> anyone driving or do you want me to? 01:06:47 <notting> well ,i think we're just all waiting for a report from QA 01:06:50 <jlaska> so we're basically here to determine if we are ready to go 01:06:58 <jlaska> the bad news first ... 01:07:03 <Oxf13> From releng; I have seen nothing today that would make me want to stop the presses 01:07:52 <jlaska> There's a few issues still on the QA radar 01:08:03 <jwb> if ppc iscsi is one of them, remove it 01:08:14 <jlaska> heh, nope ... that's off the list now :) 01:08:19 <jwb> excellent 01:08:29 <jlaska> at last we discussed, there were no killer issues 01:08:48 <jlaska> so that said ... things are still coming in, and we're still aiming for completing the matrix on wednesday 01:08:59 <jlaska> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_RC4_Install 01:09:00 <notting> what issues are still on the QE radar? 01:09:26 <jlaska> adamw was working this RAID issue earlier ... but we don't have a good read on it yet 01:09:29 <jlaska> 533621 - Can't Boot After F12 b2 DVD Upgrade on sytem with RAID1 /boot 01:10:00 <adamw_> i skipped out for a couple hours to hit things with sticks 01:10:02 <wwoods> There's a bug with preupgrade + RAID /boot that just needs a fix pushed out in F10/F11 01:10:10 <adamw_> so haven't yet been able to test for reproducibility in a vm 01:10:16 <jlaska> btw ... you'll all notice a theme today ... RAID 01:10:20 <wwoods> lordy I hate /boot-RAID 01:10:26 <adamw_> if ALL upgrades of RAID-ed /boot are broken....um. i dunno if we consider that a blocker. 01:10:51 <adamw_> wwoods: didn't you get a successful upgrade in such a scenario after fixing preupgrade? 01:10:56 <adamw_> which would suggest it's not general? 01:10:59 <notting> have we tested install of raid-ed /boot? 01:11:04 <wwoods> adamw_: yes 01:11:18 <wwoods> *but* 01:11:21 <wwoods> that was F10->F11 01:11:26 <jlaska> notting: it's not explicitly called out in the plan, but something we can adjust for F13 01:11:50 <adamw_> it's more upgrade than install 01:11:51 <wwoods> so I have done nothing that involves F12 anaconda and RAID /boot 01:11:56 <notting> jlaska: no, i'm saying if upgrade of raid /boot fails we should test install to make sure it works 01:12:00 <adamw_> wwoods: ah, k 01:12:34 <Oxf13> notting: I could probably have that tested here in about 5 minutes 01:12:48 <Oxf13> install that is, not upgrade 01:12:51 <wwoods> that said, I believe /boot RAID to be an uncommon enough use case that we could release-note a workaround if necessary 01:13:02 <notting> my other question is... how far are we on testing of the respun live images? 01:13:14 <adamw_> notting: jlaska and i have checked 'em somewhat 01:13:17 <jlaska> we've done boot + installs with them 01:13:21 <adamw_> i've booted on three systems, fine 01:13:24 <adamw_> installed in a vm from it, fine 01:13:33 <adamw_> (i did the install with UK English locale just for giggles) 01:13:37 <Oxf13> the change was really quite small 01:13:45 <jlaska> so here's the rub ... 01:14:00 <adamw_> honestly pretty much all our positive RC testing so far ought to be valid 01:14:11 <jlaska> I think we are at (or very near) the point of diminishing returns 01:14:14 <adamw_> it's really hard to see how the RC1->RC4 changeset could've broken anything significant that hasn't shown up yet 01:14:29 <jlaska> meaning, if we change any more things at this point ... it's going to be another long weekend of Oxf13 and adamw chasing down teh fall-out 01:14:36 <adamw_> aka, Nothing Can Possibly Go Wrong... 01:14:49 <adamw_> +1 to jlaska; that's my gut feeling too 01:15:00 <jlaska> we are still testing ... issues are still coming in 01:15:02 <adamw_> nothing too specific but i'm at that point intuitively 01:15:22 <Oxf13> more long weekends and my wife will hunt somebody down and castrate them. 01:15:33 <jlaska> Oxf13: you already have a child! 01:15:36 <adamw_> my boyfriend will be helping her carry the knife 01:15:57 <poelcat> So nothing on F12Blocker is a show stopper... just things we are monitoring? 01:15:58 <jlaska> the betanag change alone, while small ... caused significant headaches 01:16:07 <jlaska> poelcat: thanks, you bet 01:16:16 <jlaska> and I suspect more issues will pop up on the list in the next few days 01:16:18 <adamw_> poelcat: the only open issue that we're really worried about is 533621 01:16:30 <Sparks> poelcat: The Docs Project will have a zero-day update to the release notes but nothing to break F12. 01:16:40 <adamw_> to cover the others briefly: 533739 is actually fixed, 533817 i am pretty sure is a single-system ghost 01:17:13 <adamw_> it's an error of that type - if you search for it you see isolated systems hitting it with all sorts of fedora releases and also debian, gentoo, ubuntu... 01:17:26 <wwoods> yeah we get "iso won't boot" bugs every release 01:17:26 <adamw_> seems to be one of those icky hardware/random factors about the particular image/bios things 01:17:54 <wwoods> I had one personally affect one of my systems. I fixed it by.. changing which brand of CD-RW I used 01:18:06 * poelcat trying to cut to the chase (and head to dinner)... are there any reasons we are not "GO" with what we know at the present time or need to reconsider? 01:18:10 <wwoods> optical media is shockingly unreliable 01:18:14 <jlaska> poelcat: no sir 01:18:16 <adamw_> brief note of issues not on the list: geode graphics driver is known to be totally broken, but that's mainly an issue for XOs, and they can spin with a fixed driver package, they don't follow our schedule 01:18:26 <poelcat> then are we done meeting? :) 01:18:26 <jlaska> Using Jesse's words ... we're go until we know otherwise at this point 01:18:33 <adamw_> our fix for the 'update repos don't show up during install' issue is sub-optimal 01:19:07 <adamw_> we show testing updates in the box (which we don't really want) and updates is part-hidden at the bottom, under test updates. but jesse and i feel that's okay, it's also a bit dangeorus to fix 01:19:18 <wwoods> I can't see any utility in delaying the release any further, given the bugs we know about 01:19:30 <adamw_> that's about everything on my radar. except the proprietary driver/KDE issue, which...feh. so yeah, i'm basically +1 to go 01:19:54 <jlaska> okay ... anything else we didn't cover? 01:20:02 <adamw_> there's a small chance we'll hit something horrible in the next couple of days and have to hit abort, but nothin we know now. 01:20:11 <jlaska> should any matter hit the fan between now and release ... what's the right forum? 01:20:28 <jlaska> bat phone? 01:20:53 <poelcat> logistic list covers all the teams in theory 01:20:54 <adamw_> test-list i guess, then call a meeting quick? 01:20:54 <notting> do we have access to a klaxon? 01:20:57 <jwb> am i on the other end of the bat phone? 01:20:58 <wwoods> F13 Alpha feature freeze in 10 weeks 01:21:03 <wwoods> remember that 01:21:07 <poelcat> wwoods: lol 01:21:22 <jlaska> wwoods: yeah, no kidding :) 01:21:27 <adamw_> notting: yell 'oxf13: AWOOGA AWOOGA' in fedora-devel? :) 01:21:36 <wwoods> ALL STATIONS ARE GO 01:21:37 <Oxf13> sorry I'm on a phone right now 01:21:45 <jlaska> adamw_: I think there's a zodbot plugin for that 01:21:47 <wwoods> INITIATE LAUNCH SEQUENCE 01:21:57 * wwoods prepares ship for ludicrous speed 01:22:05 <adamw_> jlaska and I (and I guess oxf13 and warren and probably a bunch of others) will be monitoring f12blocker from now till 0 hour 01:22:09 <jwb> we use the orbital laser here son 01:22:11 <adamw_> so elevating a bug to that should get attention fast 01:22:29 <jwb> oh, shuttle launch. not nuke launch 01:22:45 * jwb takes his pessimism and goes home 01:22:51 <poelcat> #decision nothing to warrant changing GA of 2009-11-17 01:23:02 <poelcat> #decision will continue to monitor https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303&hide_resolved=1 01:23:05 <adamw_> jwb: heh 01:23:23 <jlaska> #info QA expecting test completion of matrix Wednesday (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_RC4_Install) 01:23:36 <bao_> hi, what are we doing here 01:23:48 * poelcat will end meeting in 60 seconds 01:23:57 <jlaska> notting: Oxf13: questions/comments/concerns? 01:24:13 <adamw_> where can I get a martini in this mall? 01:24:19 <jlaska> KB toys 01:24:22 <bao_> go/no go? 01:24:23 <adamw_> heh 01:24:32 <adamw_> bao_: yeah, we're pretty much done though 01:24:51 <bao_> it's a tough call 01:25:11 <poelcat> #endmeeting