21:08:17 #startmeeting spins-sig 21:08:17 Meeting started Mon Nov 16 21:08:17 2009 UTC. The chair is biertie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:08:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:08:37 That has already been done. The package has already been blocked in rawhide. 21:09:23 they don't want to change their licence? :( 21:10:14 They can't get hold of everyone. The alternative is to redo the artwork. 21:10:15 #topic games spin in F13 21:10:44 ach, ok :( that's a pitty 21:10:47 I'd like to see an f12 branch if the git repository soon. 21:11:17 That will allow me to freeze my F12 spin page, create the F13 version and to update the F13 kickstart file. 21:12:06 brunowolff: that sounds reasonable to me 21:12:15 Presumably other people also will want to update their spin pages, but may not be in a hurry to do so. 21:12:34 yeah. no hurry, but would be good to get fixed up 21:12:53 The final set of kickstart files should also be in an update to the appropriate packages in F12. 21:13:50 I think both the branch and the update are things that kanarip would normally take care of. 21:14:00 I think so too 21:14:07 We can probably just ask him to do it. 21:14:15 but I think he's between his work and his house now -_- 21:14:43 We aren't in so much of a hurry to get it done that doing something out of the ordinary is needed. 21:14:53 #action kanarip fix the git repo for F12 :) 21:15:32 Can you add one asking for ks package updates for the final ks versions as well? 21:16:37 is kanarip also responsible for that? 21:17:31 Normally he has updated the kickstart packages. 21:18:09 Since the release isos have been built (except maybe AOS), the final ks files should be set now. 21:20:00 #action kanarip check for the ks packages (are they in final?) 21:21:05 anything else? 21:21:19 Not specifically on the games spin. 21:21:38 ok 21:21:39 Jesse had asked a question about the AOS spin and I didn't see any response. 21:21:49 On the spins sig mailing list. 21:21:54 next thing was the AOS sping I think 21:22:03 #topic AOS spin status 21:22:25 I don't know if there is anything we can do at this point. 21:22:34 yeah it's pretty dead 21:23:42 ARCH 21:23:47 What does the maintainer need to do for F13 (assuming they still want the spin)? 21:23:58 kan anybody gives me the url of the spin_sig page? 21:24:26 edit; found it 21:24:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins 21:24:31 thx brunowolff :) 21:24:52 Here is the AOS page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AOS_Spin 21:25:17 the maintainer needs to fix appliance-creator 21:25:21 uhu, found that already too ;-) 21:25:22 so that it'll actually run 21:26:24 David Huff right? 21:26:38 is he informed about the problem? 21:26:48 That's what the AOS page says. 21:27:15 brunowolff: I think he is still the maintainer too 21:27:20 The AOS spin should also get into the nightly builds so that we can tell if it breaks. 21:27:23 if I look into the wiki history, he did all the updates 21:27:31 it uses it's own weird compose tho. 21:27:43 That may need some changes since it has a different build process. 21:27:47 I asked him to explain it to me/write up a wiki page on it, but I haven't seen anything yet. 21:28:02 * nirik would be happy to add it to the nightlys if it can be explained how to compose it. 21:28:36 hello 21:29:03 We were going over the AOS spin issue. 21:29:10 brb 21:29:15 biertie: did not see any email about this 21:29:39 Jesse asked about it on the spins sig mailing list. 21:29:50 ahh yes a while back 21:29:55 I think for F13 we want it building in the nightly builds. 21:30:01 yea I did not see a response 21:30:13 That will make issues apparent with enough lead time to deal with them. 21:30:22 so I am rethingking the AOS stuff for F13 and have some suggestons for spin composition as well 21:31:16 huff: are you aware it didn't compose right for f12 final? 21:31:18 I think if you work with nirik so that he has nightly builds going, that will result in us and releng having what we need. 21:31:49 nirik: i did not know there was an error my understanding was it was not built at all 21:32:21 huff: yeah, I think it was not... Oxf13 would have more details... 21:32:56 I posted to the spins list as soon as I tried to make the AOS spin and it blew up in my face 21:32:56 I think an attempt was made but it didn't work. 21:33:20 the deal with spins was that maintainers took care of those things and it was expected that I could come along at release time and run the tool across the config and publish the results 21:33:52 I think that is the correct expectation for releng. 21:34:18 Oxf13: yea i think the AOS needs to be reworked to work better with the current spin composition process, ie be livecd like the rest of them 21:34:43 or the compose process needs to be better defineded what a spin is 21:35:01 b 21:35:07 is it only livecd iso or not, know one really knows 21:35:16 Or if you do something different we still need to be building it throughout the development, so we know it works and we 21:35:22 know how to build it. 21:35:37 yea i had no clue it was not beeing built till after alpha 21:35:52 poiop)⁻-)⁻$⁾p 21:36:32 I am not sure when nirik started the nightly builds, but that was something new for F12. 21:36:55 I think it was a good addition, but it didn't cover AOS becuase it was special. 21:36:55 biertie: connection problems? 21:38:08 anyhow, just feel free to write up or let me know what we need to add and we can get it back on track for f13. 21:38:16 Can we make 'huff will work with nirik to get AOS into the nightly builds for F13'? 21:38:22 yea so i am working on a proposal for the AOS for F13 and will keep you guys in the loop 21:38:27 as an action item? 21:38:55 #ACTION huff + nirik work to get AOS into the nightly builds for F13 21:39:06 #action huff + nirik work to get AOS into the nightly builds for F13 21:39:15 sure. Sounds good. 21:39:22 ditto 21:39:31 nirik: no, keyboard problems 21:40:15 anything else? 21:40:41 (about this topic) 21:40:48 Well we could see if there was more after action review we wanted to do. 21:41:07 I think the failure of AOS to get built was the main bad thing. 21:41:33 I didn't get anywhere on the QA test plans for the Games Spin. 21:42:38 I think the nightly builds was a good plus. 21:42:45 ² 21:43:11 It uses the tools that will be used by releng. The revisor builds kanarip does are OK, but don't test the same case. 21:43:28 what is the nightly build, kust a script that runs a bunch of livecd-creator commands? 21:43:38 yep. 21:43:52 I just see the web page, nirik did the work to make it happen. 21:44:06 link? 21:44:12 i have not seen this 21:44:21 http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ 21:44:24 thanks 21:44:34 hum. the script should be there too... and a readme... let me fix it. 21:46:01 I think tmpwatch is messing with my data/logs, since I have it composing under /var/tmp. ;( 21:46:18 script and readme are now there. 21:46:54 thx nirik 21:47:01 cool ill take a look when considering AOS nextsteps 21:47:20 It will be interesting to see the feedback for the pages the design team did. But we probably won't get that for a few weeks. 21:47:35 speaking of nightlys, composes are failing currently. 21:47:40 I haven't had time to dig too much. 21:47:53 brunowolff: give a second, I'll show you something ;) 21:48:03 Also I have been thinking about somthing for you spin guys 21:48:17 brunowolff: btw, do you know when the spins.fp.o redesign is supposed to go live? 21:48:22 I had some conflicts with my update to F13 that is going on now based on yesterday's rawhide. 21:48:36 There were some updates today that might fix those. 21:48:39 so for the ovirt node and other project we use a bunch of smaller kickstarts and use includes in our main ks 21:48:59 ie, common-post.ks and min-package-set.ks and a coupelothers 21:49:09 huff: somehow, there's a Fedora Mini bell ringing in my mind... but go on ;) 21:49:21 As long as all of them are in the git repo you should be OK. 21:49:22 sdziallas: well that was the initila goal of the aos 21:49:44 mi fedora with dhcp and yum so you can add stuff 21:49:46 min 21:50:18 Let me know when i can run it on my wireless router. 21:50:23 lol 21:50:35 huff: I think that would be *awesome* to get... (I've been talking with pbrobinson lately on getting different Fedora Mini incarnations, like "very mini", "moblin", "sugar",...) 21:50:53 I keep waiting for a 2.6 kernel version that works with broadcom wireless chips. 21:50:56 brunowolff: http://spins-test.fedoraproject.org/ 21:51:06 huff: let me know if there's anything I can help with, if it's drafting up some wiki page or whatever. 21:51:30 sdziallas: will do ive been busy in my day job however AOS needs some love 21:51:34 The kernel support is there but openwrt isn't providing it yet and they move pretty slowly. 21:51:48 im trying to get to FudCon to talk about some of this stuff but not sure if it going to happen 21:52:14 huff: sure! (just shout: sdz @ fp) 21:53:16 huff: oh, on FUDCon... both pbrobinson and me will be there, too :) interest guaranteed 21:55:26 oh, news from the moblin front: pbrobinson says he plans to be working on a specific fedora-mini kickstart (also for moblin) for F13. I guess one could put some work together there. 21:55:28 anyway. 21:56:16 sdziallas: I'll be there too ;-) 21:56:28 * nirik won't make it to fudcon... but will be around on irc if anyone needs me for anything. 21:56:40 biertie: I know... that's why I was asking for a beer :p 21:56:48 As a heads up for those of you that missed it, it is likely the lzma+squashsfs will be in 2.6.33. 21:57:02 so, you think i'm not interesting? :( 21:57:32 nirik: oh :/ ...well, Mel's around, so we might have some cool stuff in IRC, too :) 21:57:56 That may allow for live images to hold significantly more on the same media. 21:58:21 brunowolff: that'd be really great to get! 21:59:15 Was there any other bad things that we need to adjust for or good things we need to expand on for F13? 22:02:41 If not, then I think we covered the things I could think of for the agenda. 22:02:47 ok 22:02:49 thx all :) 22:02:56 I'll close the meeting in 5 22:02:57 4 22:02:58 3 22:02:59 2 22:03:00 1 22:03:43 #endmeeting