15:00:06 <tk009> #startmeeting 15:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 15:00:06 2009 UTC. The chair is tk009. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:22 <tk009> BugZappers meeting starting 15:01:05 <adamw> morning 15:01:12 <johe> hi 15:01:15 <tk009> morning =) 15:01:23 <tk009> hello johe 15:01:23 <mcepl> late afternoon :) 15:01:34 <tk009> =) 15:01:35 <adamw> i believe rjune sends his apologies 15:01:41 <tk009> yes I saw that 15:01:43 <adamw> something came up 15:01:47 <adamw> ...and also, he can't come to the meeting 15:01:55 <Tech33> here, good morning 15:01:56 <adamw> oh, i slay me. 15:01:59 <adamw> hi tech33 15:02:14 * iarlyy here too 15:02:15 <tk009> soeone needs their coffee? 15:02:56 <tk009> anyone else in attendance that has yet to speak up 15:03:25 <tk009> #topic - Semantics Change - Confirm and Implement 15:03:34 <iarlyy> Welcome Fedora 12 Constatine... = ) 15:03:46 <tk009> yes welcome =) 15:04:14 <iarlyy> initial page was changed 15:04:15 <iarlyy> = ) 15:04:36 <adamw> tk009: indeed, f12 is split off and rawhide is back to being rawhide, so the semantics change should go into effect 15:04:45 * SMParrish late but here 15:04:48 <tk009> SO we are offically now going to use keyword Triaged and no assigned for f13 bugs and beyond 15:04:59 <adamw> to recap again - that means basically that instead of setting bugs to ASSIGNED after we triage them, we leave them at NEW and add the Triaged keyword 15:05:00 <tk009> welcome SMParrish 15:05:06 <adamw> for new bugs in Rawhide 15:05:16 <adamw> new bugs in F12 and earlier stick with the older system 15:05:45 <adamw> we should announce this on test-announce at least, possibly also devel-list i guess 15:06:00 <adamw> anyone want to do that? should I? 15:06:18 <SMParrish> is the greasemonkey script already updated with this change? ie one triage button for <= f12 and one for rawhide + 15:06:32 <adamw> ooh. nice point. mcepl? 15:07:25 <tk009> no takers on sending out that email? 15:07:29 <iarlyy> a question.. when this bug will be assigned ... devel team decides from now? 15:07:44 <tk009> yes iarlly 15:07:52 <adamw> yep 15:07:58 <adamw> that was the idea of the change 15:08:15 <SMParrish> tk009: I can do the email, should be an easy one 15:08:21 <adamw> great 15:08:32 <tk009> thank you SMP =) 15:08:58 <adamw> mcepl: can you update the greasemonkey script as suggested by smparrish? 15:10:44 <adamw> #action smparrish to send out email notifying test-announce and devel-list about semantics change 15:10:55 <adamw> oop, can you chair me tk009? or do that yourself? 15:11:03 <tk009> #action SMParrish will email test-announce and -devel about the 'Triaged' change. 15:11:13 <tk009> #chair adamw 15:11:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tk009 15:11:31 <adamw> who wants an action item to follow up with mcepl when he's awake? :) 15:12:20 <Tech33> I will, if I'm allowed :) 15:12:28 <tk009> yes you are =) 15:12:48 <tk009> there is no allowed here 15:13:03 <adamw> #action tech33 to follow up with mcepl about updating greasemonkey script for semantics change 15:13:28 <tk009> that it for that one? 15:13:32 <adamw> i think so 15:13:50 <tk009> #topic - Bug Lifecycle - Wiki page and image changes 15:14:00 <tk009> LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow 15:14:41 <tk009> we need the two changes adamw mentioned two weeks ago 15:14:50 <adamw> i can change the text 15:15:20 <tk009> I guess I get the iage 15:15:24 <tk009> image* 15:15:46 <adamw> alrighty 15:15:47 <tk009> will you action both of those please adamw 15:15:54 <tk009> you type faster hehe 15:16:00 <tk009> well that and I am lazy =P 15:16:00 <adamw> #action adamw to update bug workflow wiki page for semantics change 15:16:10 <adamw> #action tk009 to update bug workflow wiki image for semantics change 15:16:37 <tk009> #topic - Housekeeping - Discuss ongoing housekeeping 15:16:48 <tk009> LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12 15:16:58 <tk009> LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/DayBeforeRelease 15:17:39 <tk009> I am sure poelcat has the day before stuff covered 15:18:03 <tk009> it was mostly confirmation and that we have with the GA today 15:18:34 <tk009> LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/FirstDayDevel 15:18:42 <tk009> This is one we do 15:18:55 <tk009> and one you mentioned in the QA eeting yesterday adamw 15:19:22 <tk009> creating the blocker/tracker bugs for the next release 15:19:30 <adamw> actually the f13 ones already exist 15:19:46 <tk009> I created them last cycle 15:19:48 <adamw> they get created two releases in advance, so what we need to do now is create the NEXT next blockers :) 15:19:50 <adamw> f14 15:19:57 <tk009> and can do it again 15:20:12 <adamw> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers 15:20:36 <adamw> we also should close off the f12 blocker, and move up the subsidiary tracker bugs that are blocking it to f13 15:20:45 <adamw> do you wanna take care of that tk009? 15:20:52 <tk009> I can yes 15:20:57 <adamw> thanks! 15:21:27 <adamw> #action tk009 to do tracker bug housekeeping: create f14blocker and f14tracker, close off f12blocker and move subsidiary blockers up to f13 15:21:45 <tk009> #topic - Open Floor 15:21:54 <tk009> bring what you got 15:22:25 <adamw> anyone need any help with any problems, or getting started bugzappin? 15:22:44 <iarlyy> johe, ping 15:22:48 <johe> yes 15:22:50 <johe> hi 15:23:01 <iarlyy> I guess first day here was yesterday right? 15:23:06 <johe> i think i could need a bit advice 15:23:23 <iarlyy> now is the time... feel free to ask 15:23:32 <johe> well, i tried over the weekend, but it was very lonely on irc :-) 15:23:58 <adamw> sorry :) 15:24:20 * mcepl was drawn away ... of course, Greasemonkey (and soon-to-come jetpack) script will be fixed 15:24:24 <johe> well, what to ask, first i read through the most of the stuff, but i have no good point/package to start, so any advice would be welcome 15:24:26 <poelcat> tk009: yes, I did the 'day before release' stuff 15:24:43 <poelcat> and the EOL warning will run tomorrow 15:24:47 <tk009> poelcat =) I knew it was so 15:25:20 <poelcat> tk009: your reminders help too :) 15:25:34 <tk009> johe I wanted to respond proper to your introduction email. 15:25:46 <tk009> poelcat: I nag huh =) 15:27:19 <adamw> we're getting jetpacks now?! awesome! 15:27:30 * mcepl scrolls through the backlog ... tk009 are going to make F14 blocker and F14 tracker??? Really? We know what will block F14? 15:27:35 <adamw> johe: is there a component you feel most interested / expert in? 15:27:48 <adamw> mcepl: that's the procedure, blockers and trackers get created two versions ahead of time. 15:27:56 <adamw> mcepl: f13blocker has existed since f11 came out :) 15:28:01 <mcepl> OK, I ammissing on proceure 15:28:25 * mcepl is sick and his hands are sticky ... not good for keyboard 15:28:42 <adamw> don't sneeze on the microphone :P 15:28:43 <johe> adamw, well wouldnt call me an expert on any, but i think most of the stuff could be handled 15:29:27 <johe> i work as an systemandministrator so any server related would be best i think 15:29:29 * mcepl will have questions in the end of the meeting on the design of scripts ... booking his time 15:30:24 <adamw> we don't have any servers on the 'priority components' list 15:30:35 <adamw> but you could certainly specialize in that area of triaging - it might be a nice thing to have covered 15:30:36 <tk009> johe we can talk in bugzappers channel after the meeting if you have the time. 15:31:04 <johe> tk009, half an hour or so, before my girfriend comes home :-) 15:31:10 <adamw> it looks like open apache bugs are not triaged, and there's 16 of them, which is a nice workable amount for a starting bugzapper - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&component=httpd&bug_status=NEW 15:31:22 <adamw> then you could certainly look at the other typical server components 15:31:47 <johe> adamw, okay deal :-) 15:31:52 <adamw> cool :) 15:32:22 <mcepl> I see upstart and SELinux available 15:32:31 <adamw> note about IRC: i don't always follow everything said in -bugzappers, particularly on weekends, but if you poke me by name i'll get an alert to check on what you asked, and i will do it 15:32:31 <mcepl> mkinitrd 15:32:53 <pjones> what a strange thing to say. 15:33:00 <adamw> usually within a few minutes, but could be hours if i'm out or asleep 15:33:03 <adamw> pjones: hum? 15:33:20 <pjones> just "mkinitrd", without any adorning text or obvious context. 15:33:50 <mcepl> pjones: somebody's looking for components to start bug triaging 15:33:51 <adamw> pjones: the context is "I see upstart and SELinux available" 15:34:01 <adamw> he was adding mkinitrd to that list 15:34:14 <pjones> mkinitrd isn't really worth triaging at this point, since it's deprecated. 15:34:15 <adamw> mcepl: you're behind the technological curve, though 15:34:28 <adamw> mkinitrd is the old bad thing now, dracut is the new hotness :) 15:34:57 <mcepl> adamw: well, I know I thought it is now aliased to dracut 15:35:04 <pjones> no. 15:35:15 <mcepl> adamw: dracut is not on the list 15:35:28 <adamw> mcepl: we should update it then 15:35:54 <adamw> i think we did it based off a critical path snapshot from a few months back, we should probably check it every few months against a new critical path snapshot 15:35:57 <mcepl> OK 15:36:05 <adamw> maybe stick that on the agenda for next week... 15:36:25 <tk009> it will be done 15:36:49 <tk009> Do we have anything else for today then? 15:37:01 * mcepl stands in the end of the line 15:37:23 <adamw> * mcepl will have questions in the end of the meeting on the design of scripts ... booking his time 15:37:43 <tk009> then its mcepls time now 15:37:49 <adamw> break it down! 15:38:23 <tk009> #chair mcepl 15:38:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw mcepl tk009 15:38:37 <mcepl> do we really need two buttons ... couldn't the button say 15:38:37 <mcepl> if (version < 13 ) { makeAssigned } else { setTriagedKeyword } 15:38:38 <mcepl> ? 15:38:53 <adamw> sounds good to me 15:39:06 <adamw> can it also tell if the change it's about to be committed with would change the version and cope with that? 15:39:11 <mcepl> any other complaints, comments, whatever to the scripts? 15:39:24 <adamw> (e.g. if you're changing an incorrectly-filed-on-rawhide bug to f12 and setting it as 'triaged' at the same time) 15:39:40 * adamw loves to come up with the awkward corner case :) 15:39:44 <mcepl> will think about this 15:39:49 <tk009> yes we see that 15:39:53 <tk009> hehe 15:39:53 <mcepl> sure, it should be possible 15:39:58 <adamw> great 15:40:14 <adamw> then that would definitely be better - simple interface wins, and it makes the semantic change almost transparent for people who use the script buttons 15:40:16 <adamw> thanks! 15:40:39 <mcepl> some missing Buttons, something redundant, you hate blue? 15:41:06 <tk009> I was always a fan of brown? =) 15:41:45 <mcepl> tk009: that would be launchpadBugTriage.user.js script I believe ;) 15:41:48 <tk009> the scripts works like I expect, no complaints here 15:41:57 <tk009> hehe 15:42:02 <mcepl> I can make colors configurable 15:42:38 <mcepl> no questions? 15:42:40 <mcepl> three 15:42:41 <mcepl> two 15:42:41 <mcepl> one 15:42:46 <mcepl> I think Iam done 15:43:14 <tk009> okay then team, that is a wrap for today. Now go install f12 if you have not already 15:43:28 <tk009> thank you all for coming 15:43:37 <tk009> #endmeeting