14:07:16 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-11-17 14:07:16 Meeting started Tue Nov 17 14:07:16 2009 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:07:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:07:59 #meetingname kde-sig 14:07:59 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 14:08:20 #topic Init 14:08:24 Who's present? 14:08:27 yo 14:08:28 * Kevin_Kofler obviously. ;-) 14:08:38 * thomasj here 14:08:44 * mefoster here 14:08:54 * SMParrish here 14:09:02 presemt 14:09:04 present 14:09:22 than: ping? 14:09:42 I pinged ltinkl on #fedora-kde, no idea where jreznik is. 14:09:56 * than is present 14:09:57 jreznik has an day off.. special day in zcech it seems 14:10:30 ltinkl is probably offline for the same reason. 14:10:36 yup 14:10:46 So let's start. 14:10:49 #topic Agenda 14:11:04 So, our agenda in the wiki is the empty set right now. 14:11:13 Do we have anything to discuss? :-) 14:11:47 KDE-4.4 alpha in F13 14:11:55 (rawhide) 14:12:06 kde-4.3.3 updates status (sip abi breakage too) 14:12:31 F10 bugs getting rebased 14:13:07 Let's discuss the 4.3.3 stuff first, it's the most urgent item. 14:13:41 #topic kde-4.3.3 updates status (sip abi breakage too) 14:13:51 in general, the kde-4.3.3 updates have received good feedback 14:14:01 So, push to stable? :-) 14:14:13 except for some issues found with sip api/abi change 14:14:33 rdieter: is it nowd fixed with your latest patch? 14:14:34 turns out more things depend on sip abi than I ever realized, including: 14:14:49 PyQt, PyQt4, kdebindings (we knew these) and... 14:14:51 I have noticed this problem with KDE 4.3.3 panel https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538063 14:14:52 Bug 538063: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, Panel not hides in fullscreen mode in vlc 14:16:13 avogadro, qedje, qzion, PyQwt, scidavis 14:16:16 than: with the latest additions to sip packaging, I introduced, Provides: sip(sip_api_major_version) = sip_api_version 14:16:16 rdieter: we should to figure out which packages depends on sip version 14:16:16 which apps that use sip can Requires, so we can track it better 14:16:24 than: I did, that's the preliminary list above. 14:16:49 we just rebuild all above packages 14:16:50 at least the ones that directly BR: sip-devel . there may be others that get it indirectly via BR: PyQt-devel or PyKDE-devel perhaps 14:17:04 than: right 14:17:09 with new sip and add them in KDE-4.3.3 update 14:17:41 I was actually thinking of splitting the sip + other non-kde bits into a separate update, just so the kde-4.3.3 doesn't get so unwieldly large 14:18:09 But they need to be pushed together because of kdebindings. 14:18:29 true, but since we/I are the owners of these updats, pushing together wouldn't be hard to manage. :) 14:18:59 but I don't feel strongly, if you guys think it better to keep it all batched together, so be it 14:19:15 Well, I don't really care. 14:19:27 than: do you have a preference ? 14:19:48 im it's better to keep it together 14:19:55 , ok. 14:20:00 together it is 14:20:25 that's all I've got on kde-4.3.3/sip 14:20:34 oh wait 14:20:37 What about nucleo's issue? 14:20:42 IMHO it's not a blocker. 14:20:49 than: any word, status on fixing the manpath patch ? 14:21:13 rdieter: Have you verified that not applying the patch actually fixes the problem? 14:21:23 Kevin_Kofler: yes 14:21:53 turns out the kio_man actually has some sort of MANPATH support already, though it doesn't seem to work 100% either 14:21:59 rdieter: i was busy with rhel6 issues, could not take a look at this. 14:22:06 ok 14:22:19 i will try this week 14:22:33 np, not a high priority, just wondering 14:23:10 we can put it back in when we know it works better 14:23:32 yes, i will put it back when it's fixed 14:24:01 it's fine to disable it temporary 14:24:27 #topic KDE-4.4 alpha in F13 (rawhide) 14:25:13 #link http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule 14:25:42 looks like beta tagging is coming Nov 25 14:25:49 So the first prerelease scheduled upstream is 4.4 Beta 1 on Nov 25. 14:25:51 but we can start work on packaging one of the previous snapshots 14:25:59 Well, tagging Nov 25, release Dec 1. 14:26:08 if someones interested on getting started earlier 14:26:11 I'd suggest we just wait for Beta 1 at this point. 14:26:57 Though kdebindings will be broken until then, I'm really not feeling like trying to fix kdebindings 4.3 for Qt 4.6, I tried it to some extent, but kept running into more breakage. :-( 14:27:01 Kevin_Kofler:imo it's better to prepare the KDE package 14:27:22 And there's no easy backport for the Smoke breakage as 4.4 uses a new Smoke binding generator. 14:27:29 than: prepare = earlier, and not wait for beta? (either's fine with me) 14:28:08 Kevin_Kofler: kdebindings is a sticking point currently, the 4.4 hopefully aren't any worse 14:28:13 rdieter: no, we don't wait for beta 14:28:24 ok 14:28:46 just start to work on it if someone of us has time 14:29:27 cool. I believe there'sa new dep or 2 we'll need too, but we can tackle that when we get to it 14:30:23 I think working on a snapshot with beta only 1-2 weeks away is a waste of time. :-( 14:30:53 But if you have nothing more important to do, feel free. ;-) 14:32:10 #topic F10 bugs getting rebased 14:32:20 Kevin_Kofler: it's fine with me if someone has interesse and time ;-) 14:32:21 kdewebkit was moved to kdelibs 4.4 so I think that in webkitkde only webkitpart subpackage will remains 14:33:06 SMParrish: So about those F10 bugs? 14:33:43 Going to rebase F10 bugs to either f12 or rawhide today. If you see anything that should just be closed instead go ahead and close it 14:34:16 Also new triage keyword will be used for all f13/rawhide bugs beginning today as well 14:36:12 Yeah, we get rid of ASSIGNED 14:37:56 #action SMParrish is going to rebase F10 bugs to either f12 or rawhide today. 14:38:01 #topic Open Discussion 14:38:04 Anything else? 14:38:05 yes ASSIGNED is now in the hands of the maintainers 14:38:44 that change should make maintainer/dev folks happy 14:39:13 Well, we basically used ON_DEV as ASSIGNED so far. 14:39:30 not everyone liked that idea =( 14:39:56 We may stop doing that at some point, but for now we should keep ON_DEV for the KDE stuff because we have many existing bugs in pseudo-"ASSIGNED" state. 14:40:13 To free up ASSIGNED for other uses, we'd need to mass-change all those away first. 14:40:25 ooh... http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/11/17/qt-460-release-candidate-1/ 14:40:42 Kevin_Kofler: what would you want them changed to? back to NEW status? 14:40:54 Yeah, and with Triaged set. 14:41:41 I'll see what I can do ) 14:42:38 rdieter: We'll have to rebuild all the Qt-using packages built against a previous 4.6 prerelease due to http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/11/12/bc-break-in-46-against-previous-46/ though. :-( 14:43:09 Kevin_Kofler: sure, I was kind of assuming that would happen sooner or later in the f13 development process anyway 14:44:21 (unless we patch in that detach_helper backwards-compatibility overload) 14:45:17 Kevin_Kofler: it's just rawhide, we don't care :) 14:46:10 Patching in a QHashData *detach_helper(void (*node_duplicate)(Node *, void *), void (*node_delete)(Node *), int nodeSize) { detach_helper2(node_duplicate, node_delete, nodeSize, 0); } into QHashData should make the stuff built against older prereleases work. 14:46:19 I suppose in the interest of disclosure, we could make a post to fedora-devel-announce asking maintainers of qt-related package to rebuild stuff 14:46:45 I can query Koji for the offending builds. 14:46:45 Kevin_Kofler: eww 14:47:09 I have a script which does something like this which I used at one point in the past. 14:47:15 ok, not a bad idea 14:47:28 We shouldn't request all Qt packages rebuilt, only the ones which got built against the offending Qt builds. 14:48:55 right 14:49:16 though (re)building everything against qt-4.6 in general isn't a bad idea 14:49:35 I'd wait for the final for that. :-) 14:49:43 Who knows what other breakage there can be from RC to final. 14:49:52 imo it's not really needed in current rawhide 14:50:54 when is 4.6 released? 14:52:38 when it's ready, but should be soonish, in kde-4.4-beta timeframe 14:53:05 Somewhere in January? At least that's what they gave as a reason why KDE 4.4 is only in February. 14:53:12 trolltech/nokia has never published release schedules finer than Q1 2009 for example 14:54:50 OK, anything else? Or should I close the meeting? 14:55:45 done it seems, +1 14:56:02 #endmeeting