00:01:14 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01:14 Meeting started Thu Nov 26 00:01:14 2009 UTC. The chair is sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01:19 #topic Roll Call 00:01:20 * sparks 00:02:27 * jjmcd . 00:02:55 * laubersm . 00:04:05 looks like sparse pickins tonight, Eric. Do the Aussies have a holiday tomorrow, too? 00:04:15 jjmcd: Not sure! 00:04:31 * sparks was hoping ke4qqq would be in attendance tonight 00:07:09 Well... 00:07:15 Slim pickins indeed 00:07:44 #topic Docs Project Leader Elections 00:07:46 * radsy shuffles in 00:08:09 Being there are so few in attendance tonight, I'm going to push the vote back to next week. 00:08:22 Sounds like a plan to me 00:08:26 Right now jjmcd and I are the only ones nominated for the leader position... 00:08:40 Would anyone like to make an additional nomination? 00:08:48 And without someone for RNs, I have to decline 00:09:15 * laubersm thinks you two could just trade places.... 00:09:32 Eric has more sense than to take RNs 00:09:36 * sparks isn't that crazy 00:09:58 jjmcd: But you know, laubersm could take the RNs... 00:10:09 Yeah, I was thinking that 00:10:19 Did sparks see how much I was not around the last release?!? 00:10:37 Ahhh, but this is a new season 00:10:37 * laubersm is not that crazy 00:10:45 * sparks is hoping laubersm will be around for this release 00:10:55 * laubersm is not that crazy 00:11:04 okay... well, we'll revisit this next week 00:11:07 I do have a question for this cycle tho, and some input 00:11:13 go 00:11:23 for the leader or another topic? 00:11:34 Once we have some weasel words aroun the securoty thing 00:11:47 We will need to face L10N for a bigger update than we would like 00:11:54 #topic Release Notes 00:11:57 BUT, we have a bug on the list of processors 00:12:12 This is about the fifth opinion on the list of supported systems 00:12:23 so the question is, who is the canonical authority? 00:13:06 * sparks doesn't have a clue 00:13:39 who are the package maintainers for the kernel? 00:13:52 I would start there - and/or anaconda 00:13:58 I suppose that would be a good place to start 00:14:49 jjmcd: Since PK has been patched, can we now remove that text from the RN and the SG? 00:14:54 and/or ask stickster_afk 00:15:01 :) 00:15:03 I think we need to change the prose 00:15:11 * laubersm waves at stickster_afk 00:15:24 But people who install from the dvd will still have the feature until they update 00:15:52 jjmcd: Doesn't everyone know to run an update once you've installed from media like that? 00:16:02 mention that when you ask for input... they (developers/package maintainers working on kernel/install) may be able to help there too 00:16:03 I suspect not 00:16:35 Even if they do, some will not be comfortable having that on the network while they update 00:16:43 also - a lot of people - mostly outside the us - install from dvd and do not have easy access to updates 00:16:54 they may want to change it before they get access to updates 00:17:13 don't know if they would see the RN updates either though... :) 00:17:15 Yes, and even on DSL, that first update can be very slow, so many delay it 00:17:19 Well, at the very least we need to update the text better than what's there now. 00:17:24 yes 00:17:32 we need to say soemthing different 00:17:38 jjmcd: Whatever you put in the RN is what I'll put in the SG 00:17:39 we also have a few minor things 00:17:48 adding "or just get the update" (in nicer wording) would be good 00:18:00 but my main outstanding thing is the processor 00:18:41 I never checked, did we ever get index.php fixed? 00:19:05 I'm apparently not alone in noticing the behavior, the bug has 2 or 3 duplicates 00:19:18 Fixed? Like what rudi was going to work on? 00:19:28 yeah 00:19:42 fixed from our perspective 00:19:53 obviously we're not going to fix gecko 00:20:40 I know rudi was unhappy with it not validating and wanted to fix that, but I don't know whether he did anything 00:21:06 W3C is still showing 208 errors and 6 warnings so I'm guessing nothing has changed. 00:21:21 rudi's not in the office yet, i can follow up with him when he arrives 00:21:32 OK, well, at least the bug is posted and being passed from team to team :-) 00:21:41 It's almost 10:30! He really is sleeping in! 00:22:10 I notice ryanlerch is not on either, which makes me suspect they have something today, too 00:22:11 he's doing post office stuff this morning :) 00:22:53 I don't think I ever played post office as an adult 00:23:03 jjmcd: Did you see the schedule reminder for the RNs? 00:23:10 yes 00:23:24 But as I said, I think we need another cycle 00:23:39 That security thing is still only in en-US 00:23:49 Yeah 00:24:10 Did you see someone is starting an en-GB L10N team, surprised we haven seen an en-AU 00:24:11 Let's work on the text tonight so we can push it out to the translators 00:24:24 I did not 00:24:31 Still need to get the processors before we do, tho 00:24:57 There's probably a dozen small changes being hidden from L10N, and another half-dzen to make 00:25:01 jjmcd: Once we get the text squared away for the PK thing, let's make sure the trans-list gets a notice that the paragraphs are the same so the translation can be used in both places. 00:25:15 good point 00:26:40 * sparks has changes that need to be submitted to Transifex now. 00:27:31 #action jjmcd to contact kernel and/or anaconda developers to figure out the processor question 00:27:55 #action jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG 00:28:24 #action jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. 00:29:21 Okay, anything else on the Release Notes? 00:30:15 #topic Guide Status 00:30:52 The Accessibility Guide is coming along. I need to verify some software for GNOME and I should be done for F12. 00:31:06 laubersm: Are you going to have time to do an editorial review? 00:31:41 depends on when :) 00:31:53 I was supposed to ping you the other night... 00:32:20 Tonight/Tommorrow - no - Fri/Sat probably. Sun - probably not - Mon-Thur evenings - probably 00:33:16 Okay... Whenever you can. There isn't a lot of change since you last looked at it. I just want to make sure it is what it needs to be before I turn it loose to the translators. 00:33:18 actually - if it is ready for a git pull before I leave the house in the morning, I might do it while the turkey is cooking... and can push when I get home late tomorrow night 00:33:38 If I need internet access it has to wait until Fri 00:33:52 laubersm: That will be fine. I'll make sure everything is current in the f12 branch and I won't touch it 00:33:52 You shouldn't 00:34:04 so I should get the f12 branch - not master? 00:34:07 I can do that 00:35:18 Yeah, I'm going to make sure the f12 branch is the final version for f12. 00:35:22 devel is branch 00:36:10 #action laubersm to do editorial review of Accessibility Guide. 00:36:43 Okay, any other guide items? 00:37:56 #topic New Guides 00:38:02 Any new guides to discuss? 00:38:56 #topic All other business 00:39:07 Anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about? 00:40:01 Okay, well we'll close up shop earlier tonight. 00:40:06 Thanks for coming everyone! 00:40:13 #endmeeting