16:01:36 <adamw> #startmeeting 2009-12-14 QA meeting
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16:01:58 * jlaska in read-only mode
16:02:20 <adamw> #topic gathering people
16:02:23 * kparal up and running
16:02:25 <adamw> who else is here?
16:02:42 * wwoods here!
16:03:21 <adamw> bueller?
16:04:12 <adamw> alrighty, guess that's it
16:04:17 <adamw> #topic previous meeting follow-up
16:04:33 <adamw> so, two entries here
16:04:50 <adamw> adamw to offer some guidance on how to handle hardware/local_configuration specific bugs - that's done, we included it into the blocker bug FAQ
16:04:58 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Blocker_Bug_FAQ#What_about_hardware_and_local_configuration_dependent_issues.3F
16:05:17 <adamw> anyone got any comments / rotten fruit on that?
16:05:47 <jlaska> adamw: I like the bullet list at the end :)
16:05:51 <jlaska> you know I like lists!
16:06:07 * adamw puts jlaska's gag back on ;)
16:06:31 <jlaska> okay ... no more constructive feedback then! :P
16:06:33 <adamw> alright then
16:06:55 <adamw> second item - jlaska to post recommendations on F-12 QA retrospective
16:07:07 <adamw> listed as "INPROGRESS -- expect to have this cleaned up in the next day or so"
16:07:14 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
16:07:40 <adamw> anything to add, silentlaska?
16:08:02 * jlaska can't speak over the duct tape
16:08:29 <adamw> that's how we like it
16:08:35 <jlaska> hah
16:09:21 <adamw> alrighty then
16:09:38 <adamw> #topic enhancing release criteria
16:10:02 <adamw> #info as announced on the list, we completed the initial work on the criteria at FUDCon
16:10:07 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria
16:10:32 <adamw> jlaska asks 'what's next?'
16:11:03 <adamw> well, we received some feedback on possible changes, i merged some of that in
16:11:19 <adamw> anyone have anything else they'd like to add?
16:11:56 <jlaska> they look awesome, looking forward to referencing them during F-13 testing
16:12:12 <adamw> we didn't get any feedback from any spin SIGs yet
16:13:19 <adamw> welp, if we've got nothing to add then...
16:14:00 <adamw> #info no specific plans for further release criteria action
16:14:09 <adamw> #topic security policy / test plan
16:14:18 <adamw> jlaska provides:
16:14:23 <adamw> #link http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html
16:14:35 <adamw> for a starting point, which is the same post we've looked at before.
16:15:01 <adamw> from my side the status on this is that i took it to the security team, as suggested, but haven't received much feedback
16:15:09 <adamw> so i will probably escalate it to fesco without a proposed policy
16:15:24 <adamw> does anyone else have any status on this?
16:16:19 <jlaska> no updates from me ... just wanted to check-in and see where it was and what (if anything) it needed to move forward
16:16:19 <wwoods> no, although there was some discussion at FUDCon about how to get autoqa tests to notice new builds that use consolehelper or have suid binaries
16:16:31 <adamw> that would be helpful indeed
16:16:33 <jlaska> ^^^ rpmguard?
16:16:43 <adamw> and we could throw a check for policykit files into rpmguard
16:16:55 <adamw> (added removed or changed)
16:16:58 <wwoods> yep - that was part of the answer, certainly
16:18:32 <adamw> alright then...
16:18:41 <adamw> #action adamw to escalate security policy issue to fesco
16:18:51 <adamw> #action wwoods to keep an eye on plans for autoqa tests
16:20:02 <adamw> the moment you've no doubt been waiting for:
16:20:05 <adamw> #topic autoqa update
16:20:18 <adamw> take it away!
16:20:54 <wwoods> so! for those who weren't there, I spent a good deal of FUDCon talking about AutoQA. Whee!
16:21:06 <wwoods> here's the slides from the presentation: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/AutoQA-FUDCon-Toronto-2009.odp
16:21:24 <wwoods> there are notes in the slide deck that explain the content further
16:21:55 <adamw> #link http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/AutoQA-FUDCon-Toronto-2009.odp
16:22:42 <kparal> what the hot dog stands for?
16:22:55 <wwoods> I've got some good ideas for needed improvements to autoqa - distro labels for test machines, cleaner handling of 'noarch' tests like rpmlint/rpmguard, and future AMQP (messaging bus) support
16:23:12 <wwoods> kparal: the hot dog is everyone's new best friend
16:23:47 <kparal> certainy would like to have it near me
16:23:50 <wwoods> he was some artwork from an oooold version of anaconda that's been in the anaconda source tree for like.. almost 10 years
16:24:00 <kparal> i see
16:24:12 <wwoods> he keeps popping up in the generic (non-trademark) artwork and everyone loves him
16:24:15 <wwoods> see also: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/hot-dog/
16:24:35 <kparal> nice!
16:25:08 <wwoods> anyway: not much actual *work* on autoqa, but plenty of good discussions. I expect we'll be writing up roadmaps and tickets and such for a while
16:25:28 <wwoods> the other major thing we talked about was the autoqa depcheck test
16:25:54 <wwoods> which already has a milestone: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa%20depcheck
16:26:05 <wwoods> again, not much work, but a lot of talk, and I have a much clearer idea of how that will work
16:26:30 <wwoods> but I wouldn't expect to see it finished before the new year.
16:28:33 <kparal> my turn?
16:28:51 <wwoods> go for it!
16:29:30 <skvidal> wwoods: I had a talk with the rpm folks about some of this stuff
16:29:37 <skvidal> wwoods: it's on my list to look at a way to speed up repoclosure
16:30:21 * kparal taking microphone
16:30:24 <kparal> alright, I have worked on the rpmguard integration into autoqa and I have posted the first results. it's in the public kparal/rpmguard-integration branch, you can try it (please do)
16:30:36 <wwoods> skvidal: cool, we'll talk later/elsewhere
16:30:40 <kparal> I have posted announcement here: https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2009-December/000047.html
16:30:40 <skvidal> cool
16:30:43 <skvidal> kparal: sorry
16:30:45 <wwoods> kparal: oh nice!
16:31:03 <kparal> there is an example output in the link, click on that and have a look
16:31:18 <kparal> wwoods: if you think the output format should be different, please let me know
16:31:35 <wwoods> nice. we might want to work out a way to merge the results when it's the same for each arch
16:31:55 <kparal> yes, that would certainly be good to consider
16:32:05 * kparal filing a ticket in his head
16:32:58 <kparal> so, that's from me. I hope I gather some feedback on the list :)
16:33:10 <adamw> ah, HeadTrac, that sturdy workhorse of an issue tracking system =)
16:33:21 <wwoods> kparal: awesome work. I'm really excited about this!
16:33:45 <adamw> anything else on autoqa?
16:34:01 <jlaska> I just wanted to point out some of the efforts liam and rhe have been working on
16:34:03 <wwoods> at some point we'll need to decide on QA policy about which changes are just warnings and which mean TEST FAILURE
16:34:16 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Is_anaconda_broken_proposal
16:34:23 <wwoods> now that rpmguard is apparently up and running that'll be very soon.
16:35:34 <jlaska> Liam and Hurry are putting the finishing touches on the 'problem description'
16:35:55 <jlaska> I've got a few comments to add to it later today, but the next step will be to coordinate test plan changes for F-13
16:36:31 <jlaska> I know adamw's got some good thoughts, as do Liam and Hurry ... so I'd like to setup a time for the group (and anyone else interested) to hash through it online
16:36:50 <jlaska> that's it from me
16:37:02 <adamw> alright
16:37:12 <adamw> #action jlaska to set up a meeting to co-ordinate test plan changes for F13
16:37:30 <adamw> we also need to get on top of the test day schedule - start sending out emails asking people to request test days
16:37:33 <adamw> set up some of our recurring ones
16:37:57 <jlaska> let's set that up as check-in for next week's meeting?
16:38:02 <adamw> yeah
16:38:18 <adamw> #action adamw and jlaska to look at setting up f13 test day process
16:39:14 <adamw> anything else?
16:39:39 * jlaska puts duct tape on
16:40:32 <adamw> diddly-doo, diddly-doo, diddly-doo, doo!
16:40:49 <adamw> thanks everyone for coming
16:40:50 <adamw> #endmeeting