18:06:22 #startmeeting 18:06:22 Meeting started Thu Jan 7 18:06:22 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:06:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:06:53 #topic famsco meeting agenda 18:07:09 i proposed a agenda for today - 18:07:29 should we follow this agenda? 18:07:36 +1 18:07:55 yup +1 18:07:55 https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2010-January/msg00028.html 18:08:05 #chair spevack 18:08:05 Current chairs: kital spevack 18:08:20 for helping me out spevack ;) 18:08:23 sure 18:08:31 if i am to slow for something ;) 18:08:44 I will help with the links, actions, etc. 18:08:47 oki 18:09:05 1. Meeting Time 18:09:11 2. Roadmap for future goals and assignments of functional roles 18:09:15 3. Ticket Review current Tickets 18:09:20 4. Election of the Chair 18:09:27 all ok with that? 18:09:32 ! 18:09:38 susmit 18:09:56 #action spevack update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee with new information for 2010. 18:10:02 1 should be postponed till all have given their preferences 18:10:07 #action spevack update famsco mailing list membership 18:10:12 eof 18:10:27 * spevack looks at the meeting page 18:10:27 lfoppiano is missing on 1. 18:10:44 kital, yes 18:10:48 #topic Meeting Time 18:10:59 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#For_2010 18:11:01 so is ke4qqq 18:11:14 right 18:11:27 * ke4qqq runs to add a line 18:11:32 #action lfoppiano -- state meeting preferences on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#For_2010 18:11:48 #action kital finalize meeting time once all preferences are stated 18:12:14 ok perfect ;) 18:12:37 any further questions on that topic? 18:12:56 ! 18:12:57 * spevack enjoys his role as secretary 18:13:00 tatica: 18:13:06 for what I see, not meeting on weekends, right? 18:13:07 spevack: ;) 18:13:14 spevack, lol 18:13:35 or the X means anytime is ok? 18:13:46 i think weekends should be reserved for family or hacking on real code 18:13:49 x means unavailable 18:14:00 susmit: right 18:14:00 tatica, ^^ 18:14:02 excelent, just double check on that 18:14:18 my weekends are for community, so... I had to check again :) 18:14:24 eof 18:14:41 #info clarification x means unavailable on the meeting schedule 18:14:58 all of my time is reserved for Red Hat :P 18:15:11 spevack: ;) 18:15:12 ok, let's move on 18:15:34 topic Roadmap for future goals and assignments of functional roles 18:15:47 #topic Roadmap for future goals and assignments of functional roles 18:16:14 i think we start with the points here 18:16:21 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Agenda 18:16:25 #action kital make sure that the current famsco members all have access to famsco trac instance 18:16:41 spevack, taken care of by me 18:16:47 brilliant 18:17:04 ! 18:17:19 i have added tatica and lfoppiano to famsco group today - after no response from tchung - i am the admin for the famsco group 18:17:36 spevack: 18:18:07 yeap, I still need to fix my access kital , we can chat and get some help after the meeting :) 18:18:10 I think it's a good list, and a good place to get started. 18:18:17 Here are a few other thoughts that I have. 18:18:22 Of things we failed to do well last year. 18:18:30 should we follow each topic 18:18:43 (1) Clear meeting agenda every meeting, that is shared with fedora-ambassadors-list. 18:18:49 ok tatica 18:19:08 (2) Create a new famsco list on the new lists server, and migrate to that with open archives 18:19:27 (3) At least one famsco member in every regional ambassador meeting 18:19:28 EOF 18:19:40 +1 18:19:57 all members ok with open the famsco ml to the public? 18:20:05 kital: it has to be the new one 18:20:18 by open - do you mean - open for read or open to join 18:20:21 all members ok with open the new famsco ml to the public? 18:20:29 My proposals is this: 18:20:56 "Create a new list -- famsco@lists.fedoraproject.org (or whatever it is) -- and have open archives. 18:21:08 what does fesco do? 18:22:02 check 18:22:16 does fesco have a mailing list?? (/me doesn't know one way or another) 18:22:46 seems they have no list 18:22:55 fesco has a private list for those few things that need to be private or the like. 18:23:10 nirik: was is the list name 18:23:53 anyway, my proposal is "new list, open archives, and move on with other business" :) 18:24:05 * nirik looks. 18:24:20 +1 for open archives 18:24:24 +1 18:24:27 Fedora Engineering Steering Committee 18:24:27 spevack, agreed 18:24:33 ok 18:24:48 * nirik notes that list gets very little use. It does get cc'ed on trac tickets for fesco tho. 18:24:54 #agreed create new famsco mailing list with open archives 18:25:30 #action kital takes care for creation of new famsco mailing list 18:25:45 ok 18:27:01 should we write down your other two points somewhere spevack ? 18:27:36 they are in an earlier mail, and i'm sure we'll talk about them more later in this meeting, as we discuss roles and responsibilities 18:28:38 ok, i just want to go through each of the points listed on the agenda 2010 18:28:49 Monthly report from FAmSCo members and sending it over to community 18:29:01 ! 18:29:09 i think this could be a summary of our meetings 18:29:28 and reports from membership budget liason reports ... 18:29:30 spevack: 18:29:33 ! 18:29:48 Exactly -- I think what this really means is "have more transparency" and if we are making sure that our meeting summaries from meeting bot are going to ambassadors-list and doing a monthly budget report, we'll be achieving this goal 18:30:26 ke4qqq: after spevack 18:30:50 i'm done 18:30:55 is this obviated by publishing meeting summaries for each meeting? or is there some added benefit I am missing 18:30:59 EOF 18:31:34 i think this is related to have better marketing of famsco work 18:31:45 and this will push us to achieve something every month 18:32:15 i could also think to market the monthly report not only to the ambassador list also to planet 18:32:18 ... 18:32:35 Let's keep it simple, guys. Every famsco meeting, the summary goes to the list. Every month, we have a FAMSCO $MONTH Summary mail that reminds people of the links, has a few bullet points of the main achievements, and a budget summary. Done! 18:32:42 * tatica reading 18:32:57 It could even be a wiki page that we create each month, and just point people to that. 18:33:15 all ok with spevack? 18:33:20 Meeting summaries are kind of mechanical...I was thinking if every member could submit a paragraph on their observation about their region/where we should focus etc... 18:34:05 s/where we should focus/what can be done for their region 18:34:08 we could also do a digest more simple 18:34:20 with a resume, and a better presentation 18:34:56 i understand what susmit means - this is something that shows the regional impact of famsco work 18:35:13 i think we should work on that further - but proceed with the next point 18:35:15 i think it would be very easy to have a regional section in such a report. 18:35:45 I could help with reports 18:35:50 I think :\ 18:35:50 #action spevack come up with a template for what a monthly famsco report could look like, and use the same idea for a monthly CommArch report 18:36:00 #agreed work on monthly report 18:36:11 great tatica spevack 18:36:15 susmit: can you explain the scope a bit - are you looking for famsco actions that affect a region, or regional events alone, or regional matters that require famsco intervention? 18:36:19 Encourage people to come to FAmSCo meeting and talk. Work with marketing. 18:36:43 kital: if we do things right, this will happen as if by magic. I think we can set this aside for now. 18:37:04 ok next 18:37:07 Rules for FAmSCo elections 18:37:08 that's my opinion :) 18:37:13 perfect solved by max 18:37:20 #topic Rules for FAMSCO elections 18:37:21 https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/famsco-list/2010-January/msg00023.html 18:37:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules 18:37:45 ke4qqq, will mail to the list..let's move on for now. 18:38:11 susmit ke4qqq we will come back to that for sure 18:38:16 just want to keep in time 18:38:38 the link has the current draft -- which was inode0's work with my integration of suggestions, and trying to clean it up. I think we are ready to get one last round of input from Ambassadors, and then give it a final vote. Most of FAMSCO has read it and given their opinions 18:38:56 one issue was the famsco administration 18:39:16 this was raised today after we realized that only tchung had admin status 18:39:22 in trac? 18:39:30 or in FAS? 18:39:51 the FAMSCO trac admins should be kital and susmit 18:39:55 i think we should transmitt this right to the person in famsco who is responsible for fama 18:40:03 spevack: fas 18:40:04 The FAMSCO FAS admins should be probably me and kital 18:40:09 IMHO 18:40:28 +1 18:40:29 spevack, +1 18:40:32 * ke4qqq suggests it rotate with chair and vice-chair so we can codify it 18:40:39 ke4qqq: fair enough 18:40:48 ke4qqq, agreed 18:40:49 same with list admin. 18:40:59 otherwise this discussion has to occur every year potentially 18:41:22 #agreed famsco fas group admin and famsco list admin goes to chair and vice-chair 18:41:29 ke4qqq: +1 18:41:30 yay 18:41:39 and why not trac? 18:41:50 lets keep it uniform 18:42:03 trac too, just to be clear. But I think Susmit needs admin also in Trac, regardless of his other roles in famsco, because he does all the trac stuff :) 18:42:21 ? 18:42:28 Southern_Gentlem: 18:42:42 can there be multiple admins on the trak 18:42:47 yep 18:42:49 yes 18:42:55 * ke4qqq amends that we not limit it, but say that at least chair and vicechair 18:42:55 undo 18:43:00 #undo 18:43:00 Removing item from minutes: 18:43:05 susmit +chair,cochair then 18:43:12 Southern_Gentlem: exactly 18:43:21 let me propose..chair and vice-chair will have admin access to all the FAmSCo resources. They will invite people to be admin, if required. 18:43:30 #agreed famsco fas group admin and famsco list admin goes to chair and vice-chair resp. fama 18:43:30 +1 susmit 18:43:36 susmit: 100% right. 18:43:40 susmit, +1 18:43:59 #undo 18:43:59 Removing item from minutes: 18:44:00 probably one day you both will need help; but until then... you both rox on that task 18:44:09 #agreed chair and vice-chair will have admin access to all the FAmSCo resources. They will invite people to be admin, if required. 18:44:15 poor kital has to keep undoing everything :) 18:44:21 hihi ;) 18:44:24 :) 18:44:44 professional hazards ;) 18:44:58 ok okdsasadlfjsajf 18:45:04 kital: I had no idea there was a #undo, thanks 18:45:42 stickster: that is the way to remove unwanted tasks ;) 18:46:00 ! 18:46:04 tatica: 18:46:17 this is related with last topic, but sorry... just came up now to my mind 18:47:02 tatica: move on 18:47:10 just checking task and roles we have: budget, meetings, encourage people,... should we have a special plan this year to make inactive ambassadors be online again? a special meeting to deal this? 18:47:15 eof 18:48:01 good point we will have a larger discussion improving membership quality and process - we have different regional needs 18:48:12 we will come back to that for sure 18:48:28 excellent :D 18:48:36 for now we move on with the next proposal 18:48:44 Quarterly Town-Hall IRC for FAmSCo members 18:49:01 i bet this is from sankarshan ;) 18:49:28 any comments on that 18:49:38 * ke4qqq really likes this idea - I immensely enjoyed some of hte conversations during the election townhalls 18:49:57 ke4qqq: +1 18:50:10 * ke4qqq suggests we focus on a specific region each quarter, and adjust it so it's most advantageous for them schedulewise 18:50:23 ! 18:50:25 tatica: 18:51:28 we could set some meetings with regions too, not only famsco. In those meetings we could also be aware of what's happening around the world. Also we could set this meetings only to 30 minutes where ambassadors present a resume of goals and needs 18:51:31 eof 18:52:15 i think this is also related to Encourage people to come to FAmSCo meeting and talk. Work with marketing. 18:52:23 oka 18:52:27 so this is an overall goal 18:53:21 others? to quarterly town-hall meeting 18:53:50 +1 from my side 18:54:00 I like it 18:54:01 +1 18:54:12 who owns the task and will schedule? 18:54:26 The soon-to-be-named Chair 18:54:31 cool 18:55:03 #agreed to have Quarterly Town-Hall IRC for FAmSCo members - owner famsco chair 18:55:26 next 18:55:27 Labeled Spin Media 18:55:39 We talked about this in the EMEA meeting yesterday, and I had an action item from it. 18:55:43 this is a process we have to improve 18:55:55 and i agree that it is a process we need to improve :) 18:56:23 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/37 18:56:34 so spevack is already the owner for that 18:56:43 * tatica still can't see tickets 18:57:14 the description seems a bit cryptic - what's it about? 18:57:20 generic slipcases? 18:57:29 tatica: did you log in to trac? 18:57:47 yes 18:58:00 we can check that later, I don't want to take time of the meeting for that 18:58:08 * kital looks at susmit for help with the trac instance 18:58:12 I still have to check all services so go :D 18:58:36 * tatica looks susmit o_O 18:59:02 hmm..ok..let me find out whats going wrong 18:59:10 ke4qqq: it is about producing media for different spins like xfce/lxde fel ... 18:59:42 famna has also been discussing that, but didn't think it was a famsco matter - is there something I am missing 18:59:44 it is a concrete community request 19:00:05 now it seems to be 19:00:30 what's EMEA looking for from FAmSCo? 19:00:54 in this case xfce/lxde media 19:01:07 so just additional money? 19:01:19 no ke4qqq 19:01:26 2 things: 19:01:26 * ke4qqq is confused 19:01:41 a process for requesting the right media 19:01:42 (1) A general case by which we are able to consistently and in an orderly fashion create artwork for all spins. 19:02:02 (2) The ability to insert money into somewhere and spit out media for any of those spins in any region of the world, starting with EMEA. 19:02:10 who can I talk to request media and marketing stuff for Venezuela&Colombia ? 19:02:17 and when 19:02:52 tatica: this is what we have help to put in place 19:03:05 and this is different for every region 19:03:06 RodrigoPadula is supposed to make all of that stuff happen. If he is unable to, then you and I can work on it ourselves. The main problem is paying for it, as always. Red Hat LATAM is supposed to be able to take care of money issues all over that region. 19:03:13 because there are multiple vendors 19:03:19 tatica, you now can 19:03:28 ok 19:03:31 sorry to interrupt 19:03:49 susmit: go on 19:03:52 spevack, in Venezuela and Colombia we talk about several ways we can work to get a little more help 19:04:13 and I got support from the company where I work, that has offices in latam and USA 19:05:28 ok any more on that 19:06:00 ? 19:06:04 good 19:06:10 Survey amongst mentors on the Ambassador Mentorship 19:06:39 tatica: i am ready to help you with anything I can. 19:06:48 * tatica jumps! 19:07:04 reminding our work on mentoring process here 19:07:05 https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/mentoring 19:07:53 there are several things that shows us that the process of selecting mentors is not mature enough 19:08:22 i see mentoring different from sponsoring 19:08:39 mentors... I have something to say there 19:08:42 ! 19:08:50 and i would love to see that we clarify the way how one can become a mentor 19:09:07 but we have to be carefull that mentoring not turns into membership work 19:09:49 i think if we are too busy with ourself and our internals this keeps us from doing our job 19:09:59 * ke4qqq suggests that current mentors be able to approve mentors within their region - though I do agree with your statements 19:10:12 ke4qqq: this is a great idea 19:10:19 * spevack is following along, but doesn't have anything new or different to say about mentoring and defers to the opinions of others 19:10:55 i have also worked out how more automation can help us with the mentoring mentoring process 19:11:02 http://jsimon.fedorapeople.org/membership_mentor_model.png 19:11:08 if that's the decision, I'll be happy to codify such on the wiki 19:11:10 mentor must have a kind of "paternal" role 19:12:39 I talk almost everyday with all latam ambassadors and try to follow what they do, give them new ideas and help them when they need 19:12:55 ok the proposal is 19:13:31 new mentors get proposed through existing mentors and confirmed by famsco vote - 19:13:44 ok ? 19:13:49 +1 19:13:51 +1 19:14:11 +1 19:14:23 +1 19:14:34 #agreed new mentors get proposed through existing mentors and confirmed by famsco vote 19:14:57 is the tacit understanding that existing mentors are considered grandfathered and thus approved? 19:15:10 #action ke4qqq is happy to codify new mentors process on the wiki 19:15:36 ke4qqq: yes 19:15:59 lol 19:16:24 back to membership automation - just short 19:16:54 you notice the point with the light 19:17:03 this are the tasks to automate 19:17:17 if we can really automate all that 19:17:36 then we are able to discuss to give the mentors also the sponsoring role 19:17:45 but this is something for another meeting 19:18:15 kital, we are already 1.5 hours. So may need to keep some for next meet/list 19:18:27 ok we move on with responsibilities if nobody else has something to add on this topic 19:18:38 susmit: right 19:18:47 lets skip the ticket review 19:18:51 in the agenda 19:19:19 responsibilities 19:19:34 spevack and tatica work on the monthly report right 19:19:34 ? 19:19:41 yep, it's in the action list 19:19:49 yes 19:19:55 kital and susmit keep the fama guys 19:19:56 ok ? 19:20:11 ok 19:20:49 the other ok with that? 19:20:59 s/other/others 19:21:58 worksforme 19:22:09 ping spevack ke4qqq tatica get i a +1 from you for fama 19:22:24 +1 19:22:30 +1 19:22:32 +! 19:22:36 1 19:22:37 even 19:22:53 #agreed susmit and kital keep the fama role 19:23:26 is fabian still working within fama? 19:23:31 i think we speak about liasons to other groups in next meeting 19:23:55 i will check back with fab 19:24:11 and if he can afford time we will keep him as well 19:24:14 from my pov 19:24:21 +1 19:24:25 * spevack agrees 19:24:26 kital everything else should be discussed in the next meeting except the chair. 19:24:31 yep 19:24:31 again i think we speak about liasons to other groups in next meeting 19:24:53 ok 19:24:56 * ke4qqq suggests we move to electing chair and table everything else - and then adjourn 19:25:11 #topic chair election 19:25:25 I nominate kital as Chair 19:25:31 +1 19:25:32 * ke4qqq seconds 19:25:33 ;) 19:25:59 tatica, ? 19:26:05 kital, *\o/* 19:26:18 but spevack should be next to him 19:26:27 That's 4 +1s, and no -1's. I think kital is our chair! 19:26:38 :D 19:26:43 kital: do you accept? 19:26:58 yes - thanks so much - it means a lot for me 19:27:08 lol 19:27:52 ok this has to be confirmed by the board 19:27:54 right ? 19:28:05 #action spevack ask the board to confirm kital as famsco chair 19:28:05 though the vice-chair is to be decided by the chair, let me propose spevack for the post 19:28:05 * inode0 congratulates kital and suggests he practice with wielding the gavel 19:28:49 inode0: ;) first i have to wield my english 19:28:54 * tatica waves kital 19:29:20 ok i want to speak open about vice chair 19:29:58 i am splitted because i think you all would be great vice chairs 19:30:20 ke4qqq and susmit are both critical thinkers in a good way 19:31:05 spevack is also my mentor so he surely would be the best choice 19:31:12 and i tend to spevack as well 19:31:21 this is nothing personal 19:31:27 any proposals 19:31:32 ? 19:32:01 nothing ? 19:32:03 well as always, i am here to help in any way I can, and I will be happy to spend another year working with Ambassadors :) 19:32:27 kital: this is your choice, all of us are here to help, you get the weight of making the choice 19:32:31 :) 19:33:13 Ok... are we all finished for today? Everything else can wait until next week, I think. 19:33:28 yup, same time and day? 19:33:32 susmit proposed spevack 19:33:57 if there is no other proposals besides my own 19:34:05 * bochecha suggests kital uses the highly scientific method that all good managers around the world use when they have hard decisions to make: « eeny, meeny, miney, moe » 19:34:31 i want to ask you spevack if you accept the vice chair? 19:34:46 bochecha: ;) 19:35:04 * susmit also suggest he take a dice and role that..coin won't d oin this case 19:35:25 heh 19:35:42 spevack do you accept it ? (in the case the board confirms) 19:35:45 I do :) 19:35:54 ok perfect 19:35:59 thanks all! 19:36:06 :D 19:36:18 congrats both kital and spevack ..you are our new leaders.. 19:36:19 any other thing to add? 19:36:30 .me goes to sleep 19:36:34 oki 19:36:37 #endmeeting