20:59:47 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL SIG
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20:59:54 <nirik> #meetingname epel
20:59:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
20:59:58 <nirik> #topic Init Process
21:00:27 <nirik> who all, if anyone is around for an EPEL meeting?
21:00:47 * vpv is here
21:01:57 <nirik> hey vpv.
21:02:38 <vpv> hi nirik. I came here to see if anyone had anything to say on the moin situation, but if no one else is here, well...
21:02:54 <nirik> yeah. ;( Lets wait around a few and see if folks roll in.
21:03:03 * dhillon-v10 is here (but a new member though to Fedora project)
21:03:13 <nirik> I understand you orphaning it... have you had any interest from anyone in taking it over?
21:03:24 <vpv> not yet
21:03:35 <stahnma> oh hi
21:04:15 <nirik> welcome dhillon-v10. ;)
21:04:19 <nirik> hey stahnma
21:04:30 <dhillon-v10> nirik, thanks :)
21:05:26 <vpv> as someone said on the mailing list, these web apps are kind of difficult to have in epel if people are mostly volunteers. lots of security issues/backporting (comparatively speaking) etc.
21:05:59 <stahnma> totally agreed
21:06:34 <nirik> yep. ;(
21:06:57 <nirik> vpv: so are their outstanding security issues on the moin version in epel now that can't be backported?
21:07:09 * nirik had a short agenda today, I guess we could just run thru it real quick.
21:07:49 <vpv> nirik: I'm not sure, but in any case the backports would be quite a lot of work
21:08:21 <nirik> well, thats one loophole we have in our current policy...
21:08:39 <nirik> if there are security issues, and it can't be backported, that gives you the ok to update it in an incompatible way.
21:09:20 <nirik> #topic Moin
21:10:29 <nirik> thats currently the only reason we would allow an incompatible upgrade.
21:10:51 <nirik> which kinda blows for packages that just are old and suck, but don't have security issues.
21:11:43 <vpv> I think the current policy is fine, I'm more afraid on the data conversion stuff. The scripts were apparently broken during the time the Infrastructure people tried 1.5 -> 1.6 and I have no idea if the situation has improved. I also have no way of testing them, really.
21:12:10 * nirik notes he does have some test machines... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Maintainers
21:13:19 <nirik> anyhow, hopefully someone loves moin and steps up to give it some love.
21:13:53 <vpv> We'd need to have a large-ish set of 1.5 page data, that's the main issue with testing for me.
21:14:19 <nirik> I think the fedora old one is still around... not sure what version it is tho.
21:14:42 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wikiold
21:16:35 <vpv> It might well be 1.5, but I don't currently feel that motivated to work on the epel moin package. We'll see if anyone else is interested.
21:16:57 * nirik nods.
21:17:14 <nirik> #topic Plans for upcoming meetings
21:17:38 <nirik> So, meetings have been sparsely attended... should we move times? stop holding them? use the time for something else?
21:18:58 <nirik> of course no one is really here, so I guess I should take that to the list. ;)
21:19:51 <vpv> Here in Finland / EET it's 23 / 11PM on Friday, that might be one reason for some Europeans not to attend...
21:19:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
21:20:08 <nirik> vpv: yeah. ;( Another meeting time might work better.
21:21:19 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor?
21:25:12 * nirik guesses not.
21:25:24 * nirik will keep the meeting open a few more, then close it out.
21:27:46 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming those few of you who did. ;)
21:27:55 <nirik> #endmeeting