18:02:22 <Oxf13> #startmeeting Fedora Release Engineering 18:02:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 18 18:02:22 2010 UTC. The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:22 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:33 <Oxf13> nirik: rusty 18:02:43 <Oxf13> #meetingname fedora-releng 18:02:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-releng' 18:02:49 <Oxf13> #topic roll call 18:03:20 <Oxf13> ping: notting jwb lmacken rdieter_work wwoods spot warren dgilmore poelcat 18:03:24 * poelcat here 18:03:29 <warren> numa numa 18:03:42 * notting is here 18:04:27 <Oxf13> oh there you are 18:04:29 * dgilmore is here 18:08:42 <Oxf13> alright lets get started. 18:09:00 <Oxf13> #topic No Frozen Rawhide 18:09:08 <Oxf13> notting: lmacken: any updates here? 18:09:15 <notting> no. 18:09:17 <lmacken> Oxf13: I'll be testing pushes today 18:09:21 <lmacken> in staging 18:10:07 <nirik> so, related to this I have a question... For the nightly live spins, should we just keep producing only rawhide after the branch off? 18:10:22 <nirik> or should we try and produce F13 ones too? or do people care? 18:10:33 <nirik> or is that more a spins sig question? 18:10:59 <Oxf13> nirik: I would imagine the more important thing is the pending release, if we had to pick one 18:11:34 <nirik> yeah. Although I know some folks have been using the current ones to install rawhide... 18:11:39 <nirik> since their are no other install images. 18:12:43 <Oxf13> right, if we can manage both, that'd be nice, but I wouldn't expect that just yet 18:13:07 <warren> nirik: did you put your nightyly rawhide script in scm somewhere? 18:13:20 * warren assuming you made my scripts less crappy 18:13:22 <nirik> warren: I haven't... it's on the top level of the tree on alt tho 18:13:28 <warren> oh 18:13:34 <nirik> it's somewhat less crappy, but not anything exciting. 18:14:15 <nirik> or it should be. Humf. Will make sure it's there. 18:17:05 <warren> anything else to discuss? otherwise I need to get food before I starve 18:17:12 <Oxf13> alright, lets move on from this topic. 18:17:16 <Oxf13> #topic dist-git 18:17:24 <Oxf13> Not a whole lot happened last week here. 18:17:44 <Oxf13> I had picked up some info on how to better setup the git repos, so I did a refresh over the weekend and will be moving the new repos into place today 18:17:56 <Oxf13> #info repos on pkgs.stg will be refreshed today 18:18:03 <Oxf13> other than that, continued work on fedpkg. 18:18:11 <Oxf13> any discussion on this topic? 18:19:46 <dgilmore> nope 18:20:19 <Oxf13> alright. 18:20:34 <Oxf13> #topic Standard Operating Procedures 18:20:42 <Oxf13> poelcat: this is your topic, want to take it away? 18:20:44 <poelcat> yay! :) 18:20:46 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Engineering_Release_Tickets 18:21:03 <poelcat> this page lists all the tickets/tasks we need to do to get a release out the door 18:21:14 <poelcat> it is a little long/ominous 18:21:24 <poelcat> so i thought we could do a little bit each week 18:21:31 <poelcat> to start building out our SOP library 18:21:49 <poelcat> what would people think of trying to do one SOP per week? 18:22:09 <poelcat> e.g. this week we (someone) writes-up #4 for the alpha 18:22:35 <poelcat> i'd like to help write a bunch of the pages, but i lack the technical details/background 18:22:44 <Oxf13> #idea Work on drafting one SOP per week 18:23:03 <poelcat> so i'm willing to help daft the pages, but need a point person to work with 18:23:16 <poelcat> <EOM> 18:23:47 <Oxf13> I like the idea, and this is something that stickster_afk had indicated he wanted all the groups to work on, so it lines up with project goals. 18:23:56 <Oxf13> so I'm +1 on it 18:24:07 <Oxf13> even if it means I'll have to do a lot of the brain dumping (: 18:24:18 <poelcat> Oxf13: you already have a lot going on... are there others willing to help? 18:25:50 <Oxf13> poelcat: part of that problem is that I do most of these tasks, so the knowledge lives with me 18:25:53 <Oxf13> which this is supposed to fix (: 18:26:02 <poelcat> lol ah 18:26:13 <Oxf13> but for things that other people do, I'll encourage others to help with the SOP writing 18:27:05 <poelcat> which one should we target for this week? 18:27:45 <Oxf13> We could do #4. It's going to look pretty weird to some people because it involves software nobody else really knows about 18:27:48 <Oxf13> but that's fine. 18:27:56 <Oxf13> I need to do #4 fairly soon anyway 18:28:26 <poelcat> Oxf13: how can help w/ it? 18:28:54 <poelcat> you send me an email or dump steps to wiki page and I pretty up? 18:29:27 <Oxf13> poelcat: yeah, that seems pretty reasonable 18:29:41 <poelcat> when should I expect it? 18:29:41 <Oxf13> #info Oxf13 and poelcat will work on the 'Create signing key' SOP this week 18:29:48 <Oxf13> tomorrow 18:30:03 <poelcat> sounds good 18:30:40 <Oxf13> Ok, anything else on this topic? 18:30:56 * poelcat wonders why everyone else is silent? :) 18:31:10 <Oxf13> nothing new there :/ 18:31:56 <Oxf13> alright moving on 18:32:25 <Oxf13> #topic rawhide tree drop 18:32:49 <Oxf13> Jan 21st is when releng is supposed to deliver a set of images for rawhide, this is to test our process and also test the tree 18:33:13 <Oxf13> I will be working with the anaconda team and the QA team to get this timed appropriately, and to find a good location for it (I'm guessing something on alt.) 18:33:23 <jlaska> Oxf13: yeah that would do nicely 18:33:23 <Oxf13> .releng 3277 18:33:24 <zodbot> Oxf13: Ticket #3278 (task created): kio_sword is retired, please remove from rawhide || Ticket #3277 (task created): f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1 || Ticket #3276 (task closed): python-docutils-0.5-3.el5 seems to be missing in the repo || Ticket #3273 (task reopened): cabal-install-0.6.4-1.fc12 breaks haskell-platform || Ticket #3276 (task created): python- (11 more messages) 18:33:36 <Oxf13> um. 18:33:44 <Oxf13> .rel-eng 3277 18:33:45 <zodbot> Oxf13: Ticket #3278 (task created): kio_sword is retired, please remove from rawhide || Ticket #3277 (task created): f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1 || Ticket #3276 (task closed): python-docutils-0.5-3.el5 seems to be missing in the repo || Ticket #3273 (task reopened): cabal-install-0.6.4-1.fc12 breaks haskell-platform || Ticket #3276 (task created): python- (11 more messages) 18:33:56 <Oxf13> seems I'm doing that wrong 18:34:19 <Oxf13> but anyway, that's happening. 18:34:28 <Oxf13> #topic open floor 18:34:35 <ianweller> .rel 3277 18:34:41 <zodbot> ianweller: #3277 (f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3277 18:35:01 <nirik> So, how about that failing rawhide compose? ;) 18:35:17 <nirik> looks like python is hitting a mem blowup... likely due to new glibc on friday. 18:35:28 <warren> is not making installable rawhide making it easier or harder to make installable images now? 18:36:02 <Oxf13> warren: it's been easier on the anaconda folks, since they aren't inundated by bugs they really don't care about 18:36:09 <warren> ok 18:36:11 <Oxf13> outside of that I don't have much data. 18:36:22 <Oxf13> nirik: what's this? 18:37:02 <nirik> Oxf13: rawhide mash has failed since friday? 18:37:02 <nirik> see log for python/glibc/memory fun? 18:37:42 <Oxf13> oh I hadn't noticed that. 18:38:12 <Oxf13> #info Rawhide composes have been broken since Friday, Oxf13 to look into it 18:38:40 <nirik> untagging glibc might get it ok for now... not sure. 18:38:51 <Oxf13> thanks for bringing that up! 18:39:25 <Oxf13> Any other topics? 18:39:41 * poelcat has one 18:40:04 <Oxf13> poelcat: you ahve the floor 18:40:08 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Important_Release_Milestones 18:40:21 <poelcat> i sent mail to the rel-eng list about the Freeze pages I was updating 18:40:29 <poelcat> thanks to everyone who gave feedback and made changes 18:40:45 <poelcat> i was going to send them out to f-devel and f-test 18:40:51 <poelcat> to get word out and any other feedback 18:40:58 <poelcat> any objections to moving forward w/ that? 18:41:55 <Oxf13> none here 18:41:56 <poelcat> specific freeze pages for: Feature, Alpha, Beta, and Final 18:42:01 <poelcat> okay, thanks 18:42:17 <Oxf13> other than that we're still not sure if NFR gets fully done this release :/ 18:42:38 <poelcat> correct, right now they are written from perspective of current process 18:42:49 <poelcat> i'll update them when/if NFR goes live 18:43:17 <Oxf13> ok 18:43:55 <Oxf13> alright, last call for open floor 18:45:00 <dgilmore> one thing 18:45:10 <dgilmore> Im working on replacing /mnt/koji 18:45:18 <Oxf13> oh yes, how is that going? 18:45:24 <dgilmore> the new hardware should arrive in a couple of weeks 18:45:42 <dgilmore> going to do a try-n-buy to make sure it will suit us 18:45:50 <dgilmore> but im pretty confident it will 18:46:04 <dgilmore> Ive requested to upgrade it next year also 18:46:20 <dgilmore> so we can get more spindles and enough room to grow for the next 4-5 years 18:46:50 <dgilmore> When it does get in. ill want some help to do lots of mashing and composing on it to load test it 18:48:42 <Oxf13> ok, we'll do what we can 18:48:55 <dgilmore> thats all 18:49:11 <Oxf13> alright, really last call for open floor 18:51:32 <Oxf13> Alright, thanks everybody! 18:51:34 <Oxf13> #endmeeting