18:02:22 <Oxf13> #startmeeting Fedora Release Engineering
18:02:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 18 18:02:22 2010 UTC.  The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:02:33 <Oxf13> nirik: rusty
18:02:43 <Oxf13> #meetingname fedora-releng
18:02:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-releng'
18:02:49 <Oxf13> #topic roll call
18:03:20 <Oxf13> ping: notting jwb lmacken rdieter_work wwoods spot warren dgilmore poelcat
18:03:24 * poelcat here
18:03:29 <warren> numa numa
18:03:42 * notting is here
18:04:27 <Oxf13> oh there you are
18:04:29 * dgilmore is here
18:08:42 <Oxf13> alright lets get started.
18:09:00 <Oxf13> #topic No Frozen Rawhide
18:09:08 <Oxf13> notting: lmacken: any updates here?
18:09:15 <notting> no.
18:09:17 <lmacken> Oxf13: I'll be testing pushes today
18:09:21 <lmacken> in staging
18:10:07 <nirik> so, related to this I have a question... For the nightly live spins, should we just keep producing only rawhide after the branch off?
18:10:22 <nirik> or should we try and produce F13 ones too? or do people care?
18:10:33 <nirik> or is that more a spins sig question?
18:10:59 <Oxf13> nirik: I would imagine the more important thing is the pending release, if we had to pick one
18:11:34 <nirik> yeah. Although I know some folks have been using the current ones to install rawhide...
18:11:39 <nirik> since their are no other install images.
18:12:43 <Oxf13> right, if we can manage both, that'd be nice, but I wouldn't expect that just yet
18:13:07 <warren> nirik: did you put your nightyly rawhide script in scm somewhere?
18:13:20 * warren assuming you made my scripts less crappy
18:13:22 <nirik> warren: I haven't... it's on the top level of the tree on alt tho
18:13:28 <warren> oh
18:13:34 <nirik> it's somewhat less crappy, but not anything exciting.
18:14:15 <nirik> or it should be. Humf. Will make sure it's there.
18:17:05 <warren> anything else to discuss?  otherwise I need to get food before I starve
18:17:12 <Oxf13> alright, lets move on from this topic.
18:17:16 <Oxf13> #topic dist-git
18:17:24 <Oxf13> Not a whole lot happened last week here.
18:17:44 <Oxf13> I had picked up some info on how to better setup the git repos, so I did a refresh over the weekend and will be moving the new repos into place today
18:17:56 <Oxf13> #info repos on pkgs.stg will be refreshed today
18:18:03 <Oxf13> other than that, continued work on fedpkg.
18:18:11 <Oxf13> any discussion on this topic?
18:19:46 <dgilmore> nope
18:20:19 <Oxf13> alright.
18:20:34 <Oxf13> #topic Standard Operating Procedures
18:20:42 <Oxf13> poelcat: this is your topic, want to take it away?
18:20:44 <poelcat> yay! :)
18:20:46 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Engineering_Release_Tickets
18:21:03 <poelcat> this page lists all the tickets/tasks we need to do to get a release out the door
18:21:14 <poelcat> it is a little long/ominous
18:21:24 <poelcat> so i thought we could do a little bit each week
18:21:31 <poelcat> to start building out our SOP library
18:21:49 <poelcat> what would people think of trying to do one SOP per week?
18:22:09 <poelcat> e.g. this week we (someone) writes-up #4 for the alpha
18:22:35 <poelcat> i'd like to help write a bunch of the pages, but i lack the technical details/background
18:22:44 <Oxf13> #idea Work on drafting one SOP per week
18:23:03 <poelcat> so i'm willing to help daft the pages, but need a point person to work with
18:23:16 <poelcat> <EOM>
18:23:47 <Oxf13> I like the idea, and this is something that stickster_afk had indicated he wanted all the groups to work on, so it lines up with project goals.
18:23:56 <Oxf13> so I'm +1 on it
18:24:07 <Oxf13> even if it means I'll have to do a lot of the brain dumping (:
18:24:18 <poelcat> Oxf13: you already have a lot going on... are there others willing to help?
18:25:50 <Oxf13> poelcat: part of that problem is that I do most of these tasks, so the knowledge lives with me
18:25:53 <Oxf13> which this is supposed to fix (:
18:26:02 <poelcat> lol ah
18:26:13 <Oxf13> but for things that other people do, I'll encourage others to help with the SOP writing
18:27:05 <poelcat> which one should we target for this week?
18:27:45 <Oxf13> We could do #4.  It's going to look pretty weird to some people because it involves software nobody else really knows about
18:27:48 <Oxf13> but that's fine.
18:27:56 <Oxf13> I need to do #4 fairly soon anyway
18:28:26 <poelcat> Oxf13: how can help w/ it?
18:28:54 <poelcat> you send me an email or dump steps to wiki page and I pretty up?
18:29:27 <Oxf13> poelcat: yeah, that seems pretty reasonable
18:29:41 <poelcat> when should I expect it?
18:29:41 <Oxf13> #info Oxf13 and poelcat will work on the 'Create signing key' SOP this week
18:29:48 <Oxf13> tomorrow
18:30:03 <poelcat> sounds good
18:30:40 <Oxf13> Ok, anything else on this topic?
18:30:56 * poelcat wonders why everyone else is silent? :)
18:31:10 <Oxf13> nothing new there :/
18:31:56 <Oxf13> alright moving on
18:32:25 <Oxf13> #topic rawhide tree drop
18:32:49 <Oxf13> Jan 21st is when releng is supposed to deliver a set of images for rawhide, this is to test our process and also test the tree
18:33:13 <Oxf13> I will be working with the anaconda team and the QA team to get this timed appropriately, and to find a good location for it (I'm guessing something on alt.)
18:33:23 <jlaska> Oxf13: yeah that would do nicely
18:33:23 <Oxf13> .releng 3277
18:33:24 <zodbot> Oxf13: Ticket #3278 (task created): kio_sword is retired, please remove from rawhide || Ticket #3277 (task created): f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1 || Ticket #3276 (task closed): python-docutils-0.5-3.el5 seems to be missing in the repo || Ticket #3273 (task reopened): cabal-install-0.6.4-1.fc12 breaks haskell-platform || Ticket #3276 (task created): python- (11 more messages)
18:33:36 <Oxf13> um.
18:33:44 <Oxf13> .rel-eng 3277
18:33:45 <zodbot> Oxf13: Ticket #3278 (task created): kio_sword is retired, please remove from rawhide || Ticket #3277 (task created): f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1 || Ticket #3276 (task closed): python-docutils-0.5-3.el5 seems to be missing in the repo || Ticket #3273 (task reopened): cabal-install-0.6.4-1.fc12 breaks haskell-platform || Ticket #3276 (task created): python- (11 more messages)
18:33:56 <Oxf13> seems I'm doing that wrong
18:34:19 <Oxf13> but anyway, that's happening.
18:34:28 <Oxf13> #topic open floor
18:34:35 <ianweller> .rel 3277
18:34:41 <zodbot> ianweller: #3277 (f-13 schedule task#4 - Create Installable Images for QA testing #1) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3277
18:35:01 <nirik> So, how about that failing rawhide compose? ;)
18:35:17 <nirik> looks like python is hitting a mem blowup... likely due to new glibc on friday.
18:35:28 <warren> is not making installable rawhide making it easier or harder to make installable images now?
18:36:02 <Oxf13> warren: it's been easier on the anaconda folks, since they aren't inundated by bugs they really don't care about
18:36:09 <warren> ok
18:36:11 <Oxf13> outside of that I don't have much data.
18:36:22 <Oxf13> nirik: what's this?
18:37:02 <nirik> Oxf13: rawhide mash has failed since friday?
18:37:02 <nirik> see log for python/glibc/memory fun?
18:37:42 <Oxf13> oh I hadn't noticed that.
18:38:12 <Oxf13> #info Rawhide composes have been broken since Friday, Oxf13 to look into it
18:38:40 <nirik> untagging glibc might get it ok for now... not sure.
18:38:51 <Oxf13> thanks for bringing that up!
18:39:25 <Oxf13> Any other topics?
18:39:41 * poelcat has one
18:40:04 <Oxf13> poelcat: you ahve the floor
18:40:08 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Important_Release_Milestones
18:40:21 <poelcat> i sent mail to the rel-eng list about the Freeze pages I was updating
18:40:29 <poelcat> thanks to everyone who gave feedback and made changes
18:40:45 <poelcat> i was going to send them out to f-devel and f-test
18:40:51 <poelcat> to get word out and any other feedback
18:40:58 <poelcat> any objections to moving forward w/ that?
18:41:55 <Oxf13> none here
18:41:56 <poelcat> specific freeze pages for: Feature, Alpha, Beta, and Final
18:42:01 <poelcat> okay, thanks
18:42:17 <Oxf13> other than that we're still not sure if NFR gets fully done this release :/
18:42:38 <poelcat> correct, right now they are written from perspective of current process
18:42:49 <poelcat> i'll update them when/if NFR goes live
18:43:17 <Oxf13> ok
18:43:55 <Oxf13> alright, last call for open floor
18:45:00 <dgilmore> one thing
18:45:10 <dgilmore> Im working on replacing /mnt/koji
18:45:18 <Oxf13> oh yes, how is that going?
18:45:24 <dgilmore> the new hardware should arrive in a couple of weeks
18:45:42 <dgilmore> going to do a try-n-buy to make sure it will suit us
18:45:50 <dgilmore> but im pretty confident it will
18:46:04 <dgilmore> Ive requested to upgrade it next year also
18:46:20 <dgilmore> so we can get more spindles and enough room to grow for the next 4-5 years
18:46:50 <dgilmore> When it does get in.  ill want some help to do lots of mashing and composing on it to load test it
18:48:42 <Oxf13> ok, we'll do what we can
18:48:55 <dgilmore> thats all
18:49:11 <Oxf13> alright, really last call for open floor
18:51:32 <Oxf13> Alright, thanks everybody!
18:51:34 <Oxf13> #endmeeting