21:01:58 <biertie> #startmeeting fedora-spins
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21:02:36 <biertie> whois here?
21:02:41 <biertie> .fas biertie
21:02:42 <zodbot> biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
21:02:51 * nirik is around.
21:02:58 <brunowolff> I keep forgetting to authenticate, as I haven't had a registered nick all that long.
21:03:04 * brunowolff is here
21:03:11 <biertie> hehe, np brunowolff
21:03:17 <biertie> kanarip: ?
21:03:19 <biertie> GRRRRRRRR
21:03:45 <biertie> sdziallas: ping
21:03:52 <sdziallas> biertie: pong-ish
21:03:58 <biertie> meeting time ;)
21:04:12 <sdziallas> ah :)
21:04:12 <biertie> #topic agenda
21:04:27 <biertie> we have to push (or not) 2 spins
21:04:41 <biertie> since I think this is the last chance they have :)
21:04:45 <sdziallas> looks like today's the last day to do so.
21:04:47 <sdziallas> yup!
21:04:50 <biertie> security spin
21:04:58 <biertie> and Fedora Ro Spin
21:05:12 <biertie> and open floor off course
21:05:17 <biertie> or does anybody wants to add something?
21:05:42 * nirik has nothing else.
21:06:00 <biertie> #topic security spin
21:06:36 <biertie> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Spin
21:07:14 <nirik> so this would be a regular spin we produce?
21:07:33 <biertie> as I see it: yes
21:08:38 <biertie> and this is the first time it goes to the spins process, if I recall correctly
21:08:43 <brunowolff> I would think for a security spin, you'd redo it from uptodate packages.
21:08:57 <sdziallas> biertie: yup, I think so, too.
21:08:58 <nirik> I know work has been ongoing on this.
21:09:14 <nirik> the ks looks good to me, I have no obvious blockers...
21:09:32 <biertie> brunowolff: what do you mean?
21:09:42 <biertie> you would use older software on the spin?
21:10:24 <brunowolff> No, I mean that when I wanted one, I wouldn't grab a release ISO, but run livecd-creator to make a new iso.
21:10:46 <brunowolff> Though maybe for forensics that isn't as big of a deal.
21:11:03 <biertie> oh, that's why thingie has so much success
21:11:09 <biertie> what is the name of that distro? -_-
21:11:15 <nirik> yeah, I don't think it matters for some of the use cases.
21:11:31 <brunowolff> If this is really meant for forensics you need to be really careful about touching the disks. (Even if you have a safe
21:11:45 <nirik> you can also install it and update it easily enought from this base live media
21:11:48 <brunowolff> copy, you probably don't want to change things.)
21:12:00 <biertie> hehe, I also think it's weird you have irssi and firefox and stuff on it
21:12:21 <biertie> I don't know why I would need it on a forensics cd
21:12:22 <nirik> looking up info and asking for info on irc? seems fine to me.
21:12:28 <biertie> -midori is on it too-
21:12:35 <brunowolff> Even mounting file systems with logging can cause the disk to be updated.
21:12:46 <nirik> brunowolff: does lxde automount disks?
21:12:50 <kital> biertie: firefox is needed for web-security testing
21:13:00 <nirik> lmacken: you around?
21:13:20 <kital> nirik: what is your question
21:13:32 <biertie> nirik: kital is the new owner
21:13:51 <lmacken> nirik: yep
21:13:54 <nirik> kital: ah, welcome. ;) Just wondering if disks would be automounted in this setup or not? and perhaps inhibiting that would be wise...
21:14:20 <lmacken> nirik: yeah, kital and a few other people have been doing a lot of work on the spin lately.
21:14:36 <nirik> yeah...
21:14:59 <lmacken> that's a good question... we should ensure it doesn't mount anything by default
21:15:26 <brunowolff> I didn't notice any hardware diagnostic tools. Do you think that would be a useful combination or that people doing hardware
21:15:56 <brunowolff> trouble shooting from a usb drive are a different set than those doing security testing.
21:16:00 <nirik> I think smartctl is in base isn't it?
21:16:34 <kital> this are good points! we will consider it for the spin
21:17:03 <kital> we have still a lot off work to do to make all the things better
21:17:08 <kital> like webapptesting tools
21:17:15 <kital> implementing osstmm testpath
21:17:27 <kital> test-methodologies ...
21:18:05 <kital> nirik: i am not sure if smartctl is in base - but i can check it
21:18:48 <kital> forensic is just one scope for the spin - testing security is the other scope
21:18:51 <nirik> kital: perhaps firstaidkit would be worth adding as well, but that might get it over into more a rescue media than security
21:19:26 <kital> ah that is fine - i think as we have no real rescue-media anymore this can also fill the gap
21:19:39 <lmacken> nirik: +1 for adding firstaidkit
21:19:41 * maxamillion is here
21:19:45 <maxamillion> sorry for being late
21:19:58 <nirik> I don't know where firstaid kit is these days, haven't heard much about it...
21:20:02 <biertie> np maxamillion :)
21:20:07 <lmacken> hey adam
21:20:10 <nirik> but I would love to be able to tell people how to use it to re-install grub and the like. ;)
21:20:44 * lmacken thinks every spin should have at least some recovery tools on it
21:21:26 <kital> added firstaidkit as request to our list
21:21:27 <kital> https://fedorahosted.org/security-spin/ticket/28
21:21:33 <maxamillion> lmacken: how goes it?
21:21:34 <lmacken> fedora-live-base.ks:#firstaidkit-plugin-all
21:21:36 <nirik> that would be nice. I hate having to tell people: "open a terminal and su to root, then: vgscan ; vgchange -ay ; mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 /mnt/sysimage ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sysimage/boot ; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/sysimage/dev ; mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sysimage/sys ; chroot /mnt/sysimage; grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
21:21:58 * maxamillion agrees with lmacken ... should we discuss a "base line" set of recovery tools that should be mandatory?
21:21:59 <nirik> anyhow, I have no objections/blockers to this spin.
21:22:16 <lmacken> maxamillion: good good... you mentioned you have an horors student about to do work on the security spin?
21:23:07 <maxamillion> lmacken: sure do, first steps will be to get her a FAS account and get her up to speed and then jump into packaging ... I actually need to go by the professors office and talk to him today
21:23:28 <lmacken> good stuff :)
21:23:54 <maxamillion> i'm in class right now with my laptop but I'll swing by his office when I leave here
21:24:37 <brunowolff> mhonarc is kind of an odd thing to have in the package.
21:25:01 <brunowolff> At first I thought it was a different program by the same name as I remembered from long ago.
21:25:11 <maxamillion> lmacken: back to your firstaidkit-plugin-all idea ... should we discuss that now or bring it up on the list and finalize the decision next week?
21:25:27 <brunowolff> But it looks like it is the email to html archive program.
21:25:35 <lmacken> maxamillion: well, it's commented out in the base kickstart, so we should figure out why it's not enabled by default
21:25:56 * nirik suggests list for that discussion.
21:26:00 <lmacken> brunowolff: hmm, I'm not sure what pulls that in?  Doesn't seem like a tool we would need to offer out of the box
21:26:02 <maxamillion> list it is
21:26:13 <maxamillion> I'll shoot out an email about it here in a few minutes
21:26:14 <brunowolff> It's listed in the ks file.
21:26:33 <brunowolff> Line 114
21:26:53 <lmacken> nirik: with regard to that list of common commands for system recovery, there are also a huge list of commands for using the security tools as well... it seems like we need to do a better job of putting that info in peoples faces
21:27:03 <brunowolff> Maybe it is a typo for some similarly named package.
21:27:08 <lmacken> maybe have a corner on the wiki and make it the default homepage for the spin?
21:27:27 <nirik> lmacken: yeah, we have a spins page for each spin, but not sure thats too great.
21:27:43 <nirik> perhaps we could work with docs people to figure out a space for that, or where it makes the most sense.
21:27:54 <lmacken> yeah, good call
21:30:25 <biertie> anyway
21:30:32 <biertie> can we vote for it now? ^^
21:30:55 <maxamillion> sent to the list about the firstaidkit bit :)
21:31:20 * sdziallas is +1 to the security spin
21:31:20 <nirik> +1 here as I said.
21:31:39 <brunowolff> +0
21:31:55 <maxamillion> +1 to security spin (though I might be biased)
21:32:05 <maxamillion> crap ... brb
21:32:17 <kital> ;)
21:33:08 <biertie> +1 too
21:33:15 <biertie> so I guess the spin is accepted for the sig
21:33:22 <biertie> congratz kital ;)
21:33:27 <kital> thanks guys !
21:34:21 <biertie> owkee
21:34:29 <biertie> your spin is now in hands of the board
21:34:30 <kital> thanks luke and maxamillion for the awesome start and the solid base to proceed this
21:34:35 <biertie> I hope they don't find to much legal issues ;)
21:34:44 <biertie> I think we can move to the next topic now? :)
21:34:46 <maxamillion> back ... sorry, something happened and X pegged my cpu to 100% and i couldn't get it to come back down
21:35:03 <biertie> np maxamillion ^^
21:35:14 <biertie> #topic fedora RO spin
21:35:25 <biertie> this is also a new spin :)
21:35:52 <biertie> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ro_Spin
21:36:57 <brunowolff> I think if locale based spins take off we may want to have a discussion about how to handle them consistently and to
21:37:14 <brunowolff> deal with a lot more spin images being created.
21:37:38 <nirik> yeah, this has come up before.
21:37:48 <biertie> I don't get the usecase, but anyway.... ;)
21:38:06 <brunowolff> We might already be to the point where releng starts pushing back against the number of spin isos being produced.
21:38:13 * nirik nods.
21:38:14 <biertie> if I want fedora in dutch -my native language- I can configure it with one click of the mouse in dutch
21:38:25 <maxamillion> I can understand to a point where its coming from, but I don't entirely see how this would be different from just selecting a different locality
21:38:33 <nirik> well, they add openoffice...
21:38:41 <nirik> and remove fonts that are not from their lang.
21:38:47 <maxamillion> hrmmm...
21:38:50 <biertie> hehe, *yeay* :)
21:38:51 <brunowolff> I think locale spins are useful, similar to how the games spin is useful. Showing off Fedora to people with a hook to draw
21:38:55 <brunowolff> their interest.
21:39:06 <nirik> brunowolff: but can't the regular desktop one do that now?
21:39:08 <maxamillion> brunowolff: yeah, I can respect that
21:39:38 <brunowolff> Also openoffice is on the desktop spin since November.
21:39:40 <maxamillion> nirik: I think the general idea is for the "out of the box" experience to be tailored to the people of that locale ... which I can respect the desire for
21:39:55 * nirik nods.
21:40:05 <brunowolff> (Since this is part of why the games spin is oversize right now, I happened to notice the change.)
21:40:11 <nirik> The issue tho is that if we do this, why shouldn't we do one for every locale?
21:40:16 <maxamillion> but at the same time I am on the fence about the over all spin
21:40:21 <nirik> brunowolff: interesting.
21:40:33 <maxamillion> nirik: right, that's exactly why I'm on the fence about this
21:40:45 <brunowolff> Desktop is targeting 1gb now, so including openoffice isn't the problem it used to be.
21:40:57 <maxamillion> brunowolff: what?
21:41:26 <maxamillion> nvm ... probably a discussion for a different time
21:41:27 <brunowolff> I might be wrong, but that is my memory of the situation.
21:42:17 <sdziallas> brunowolff: I heard that too, on f-d-l, IIRC
21:42:18 <brunowolff> The desktop compose from last night was 840/849 MiB.
21:42:41 <nirik> well, I would say normally we should talk about this on the list too, but there is very low time to get this spin approved if we do.
21:43:36 <brunowolff> From a techincal review, they should use the openoffice stuff that is now part of the desktop spin. Otherwise I wasn't
21:43:45 <brunowolff> seeing problems of a techincal nature.
21:45:08 * nirik thinks he's a weak -1. If we do this then we will see 1000 more and can't scale there. Unless they just want this in the spins-kickstarts and no compose...
21:45:10 <maxamillion> i don't see issues of a technical nature, but from an infrastructure side of the house, I worry about the possibility of 1 spin image for every locale
21:45:11 <brunowolff> I feel the question of whether we should be doing locale specific spins is outside my area.
21:45:44 <sdziallas> maybe we should defer this to rel-eng / the board?
21:45:54 * maxamillion is going to have to join nirik's -1 on this
21:46:15 <biertie> broffice has the same problem too then..
21:46:20 <nirik> sdziallas: that would be ok too, but note that we have little time...
21:46:26 <brunowolff> How about if we approve ks only for this one?
21:46:30 <nirik> biertie: well, there is a legal reason there.
21:46:38 <sdziallas> biertie: broffice was originally approved because they aren't allowed to use the openoffice brand down there
21:46:45 <sdziallas> nirik: right :)
21:46:59 <maxamillion> biertie: not entirely, because brOffice is a completely different project from OO.o, and that spin is showcasing that ... the locale thing I think is a convenient side effect
21:47:14 <sdziallas> brunowolff: that'd make sense - I mean it could still go into the git repo, in the worst case...
21:47:21 <nirik> maxamillion: broffice is openoffice with another name. ;)
21:47:37 * sdziallas could do an iceweasel spin :p
21:47:41 * sdziallas hides
21:47:42 <biertie> oh ok, srry :)
21:47:55 <nirik> I would be ok with just adding the ks... but no shipped iso, etc...
21:48:02 <nirik> but not sure thats what they want.
21:48:04 <maxamillion> nirik: well ... so is neoOffice and Go-OO but they are technically separate projects
21:48:24 <nirik> perhaps we could ping the submittor and ask them to respond to the list?
21:49:36 <maxamillion> nirik: +1
21:49:40 <biertie> and what is his nick?
21:49:46 <maxamillion> we'll end up pushing it on time, but I think its a good idea
21:50:11 <sdziallas> .fasinfo ajoian
21:50:12 <zodbot> sdziallas: User: ajoian, Name: Adrian JOIAN, email: adrian.joian@fedoraproject.ro, Creation: 2007-07-16, IRC Nick: ajoian, Timezone: Europe/Bucharest, Locale: en, Extension: 5102041, GPG key ID: F4C93C02, Status: active
21:50:16 <zodbot> sdziallas: Approved Groups: cla_done ambassadors cla_fedora
21:50:20 <zodbot> sdziallas: Unapproved Groups: None
21:51:44 <nirik> so, can someone mail him our concerns and ask him to reply to the list?
21:52:11 <nirik> (ie, doesn't the normal desktop iso work for this, do they need a produced spin, etc)
21:52:15 <biertie> I would do it, but I can't :(
21:52:35 <biertie> I lost my broadband connection, and my e-mail client wants to download 8000mails...
21:52:36 <biertie> WTF
21:53:28 <kital> nirik luke - just an update from cwickert related to lxde on security spin - lxde itself does not automount
21:53:32 <nirik> biertie: ouch
21:53:49 <maxamillion> lmacken: ^^^
21:53:52 <maxamillion> kital: ouch
21:54:23 <biertie> nirik: that means: I won't check my e-mail before 1feb :)
21:54:27 * nirik would mail them, but I have lots of stuff already to do... can someone else do so?
21:54:32 <kital> pcmanfm does a mount if you klick on a device
21:55:07 <cwickert> right, pcmanfm detects removable media but doesn't automount them
21:55:15 <biertie> sdziallas: care to mail again?
21:55:32 <sdziallas> biertie: I'm quite a bit short of time atm, too.
21:55:44 <sdziallas> biertie: if nobody steps up, I'll do it, tho.
21:55:49 <kital> maxmillion: nirik and luke thought it is not a good idea to automount on the sec-spin
21:56:18 <kital> nirik luke is this ok for you?
21:56:18 <maxamillion> kital: oh, that's good enough imho ... if you click the device and it mounts then that's fine
21:56:29 <nirik> yes, thats good news.
21:56:38 <maxamillion> well ... yeah, I suppose auto-mount could be bad
21:56:57 <biertie> just write: Hi, we were talking about your spin, but we aren't sure what you want to do with it.. do you want to make a real spin, or do you just want to add it to the kickstart pool.. your faithful, the spin sig team
21:57:29 <nirik> and add to reply to the spins list for further discussion. ;)
21:57:52 <cwickert> I have been in contact with the Romanian guys and I already told them that IMO this is not enough for a custom spin. a remix is fine for me, but not as a spin
21:58:04 <cwickert> (sorryy to join so late btw)
21:58:14 * nirik nods.
21:58:25 <biertie> cwickert: +1
21:59:14 <nirik> any other business?
21:59:29 <huff> fedora-min ks
21:59:31 <biertie> #topic open floor
21:59:37 <sdziallas> huff: oh yeah, good point :)
21:59:38 <biertie> ok, we could do that too :)
21:59:44 <biertie> #topic fedora-mini ks
21:59:48 <huff> ive made some progress what is the steps should i post patches to mailing list
21:59:53 <brunowolff> nirik, can you add another significant digit to the size of spins reported on the nightly compose page?
22:00:12 <nirik> brunowolff: possibly...
22:00:56 <brunowolff> I see 4.1G now. Also I am interested if that is 4.1 * 2^30?
22:01:13 <huff> i think for F13 we can add the fedora-mini.ks and only those that need it use it and get other to use it in the future
22:01:16 <brunowolff> (As opposed to say 4100 * 2^20.)
22:01:20 <huff> includign fedora-live-bse
22:01:35 <nirik> brunowolff: it uses 'du -sh' right now.
22:01:54 <nirik> huff: yeah, patches would be good...
22:02:11 <cwickert> sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is Fedora Mini actually? the first plans were to have a Gnome based Fedora Mini, is it still or is it moblin now or what?
22:02:23 <huff> k ill send outwhat Ihave tonight or ealry tomrrow need to run a few moretests
22:02:40 <huff> moblin extends fedora mini
22:02:54 <pbrobinson> cwickert: Fedora mini is a general SIG to cover Fedora on small devices. Moblin is one component of that, sugar another
22:03:04 <huff> my understating is fedora mini would be base ks no x
22:03:35 <cwickert> right, there are two different meanings of Fedora Mini. One is the SIG and the other the stripped down ks
22:03:54 <nirik> brunowolff: I could just switch it to 'du' ? less readable, but more info?
22:03:57 <huff> ok to be clear ill name it feodra-min.ks
22:04:18 <pbrobinson> cwickert: the stripped kick start was my invention, it seems huff has taken it over somewhat
22:04:32 <huff> lol
22:04:37 <pbrobinson> not that I'm complaining :-D
22:04:44 <brunowolff> If it isn't too cluttered, seeing the actual sizes you get would be nice. I'd like to compare them to what I get.
22:04:46 <biertie> huff: name it feodora
22:05:00 <biertie> it are great chocolates
22:05:05 <huff> well i would like to see smothing generic that other could use
22:05:10 <biertie> huff: call it feodora
22:05:33 <huff> pbrobinson: what was your invision I may have take it out of context
22:05:35 <biertie> hmm, strange things
22:05:37 <biertie> anyway :)
22:05:41 <brunowolff> Also only seeing the amount to the nearest 100Mb leaves a lot of doubt when trying to shave off some space.
22:05:42 <pbrobinson> I believe all the things that I tried to achieve with it should just be in -base.ks but to make it clean the comps groups would need some cleanup
22:05:54 <nirik> brunowolff: will change for tomorrows run.
22:06:01 <brunowolff> Thanks.
22:06:30 <pbrobinson> huff: it was a means to make Fedora small! I don't believe there should be a need for it. Small should be the base building block. Then add in what you need
22:06:54 <huff> pbrobinson: exactly what was the reason for it then, that base.ks did not provide
22:07:06 <pbrobinson> huff: exactly!
22:07:22 <cwickert> huff: I think base already provides to much
22:07:27 <cwickert> s/to/too
22:07:30 <huff> cwickert: I agree
22:07:52 <maxamillion> +1
22:08:11 <biertie> +2
22:08:13 <pbrobinson> base should include yum and networking, probably sshd and what ever is required for the console login.
22:08:28 <brunowolff> I think the eventually plan is that mini and base would be the same.
22:08:33 <pbrobinson> some would argue against yum and sshd :)
22:09:02 <huff> my thoughts was the we could have a fedora-min.ks < fedora-base.ks
22:09:02 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: maybe sshd, but not yum ... you really wanna package manage by hand?
22:09:12 * maxamillion doesn't like pain that much
22:09:12 <cwickert> I think if we strip down base a little, we won't need mini
22:09:22 <huff> humm
22:09:30 <nirik> isn't that just @base @core ?
22:09:45 <huff> @base @core is pretty big
22:10:32 <maxamillion> yeah, the kickstarts we use at work are without base because we don't use half the stuff in it
22:10:42 <maxamillion> errr ... @base
22:10:42 <cwickert> it also includes input methods and lots of stuff, see http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora-live-base.ks
22:10:43 <huff> yep
22:10:46 <pbrobinson> huff: agreed. the 'default' ones are too large. the mandatory ones are OK hence all the -blah in my .ks
22:11:01 <huff> pbrobinson: yea we did the same things for aos
22:11:02 <cwickert> pbrobinson: I have the same problem in LXDE
22:11:45 * nirik needs to go...
22:11:45 <pbrobinson> so the packages should be either moved to the group where default is useful or they should be changed to optional
22:12:02 <biertie> bye nirik, thx for being here :)
22:12:02 <cwickert> currently base includes: @base-x @base @core @fonts @input-methods @admin-tools @dial-up @hardware-support @printing kernel memtest86+
22:12:09 <cwickert> this is just too much IMHO
22:12:21 <sdziallas> cwickert: +1
22:13:00 <cwickert> perhaps we should have a "desktop-base" and a real stripped down "base", this is what huff had in mind
22:13:02 <biertie> true!
22:13:24 <maxamillion> well I think there should be a -base that is literally "this is what you need to get a running fedora system" and then maybe a live-base that builds on top of that which adds ..... nvm, what cwickert said :)
22:13:41 <pbrobinson> well surely the various desktops should auto pull in things like X through deps, and NetworkManager will pull in the deps its needs
22:14:23 <cwickert> pbrobinson: the deps are another problem: anaconda -> firstboot -> metacity -> tons of gnome stuff, even evolution-data-server
22:14:46 <maxamillion> I think the live-base or desktop-base (whatever we want to call it) should include NetworkManager and cnetworkmanager
22:14:47 <pbrobinson> cwickert: I have been working to reduce that too! Slowly but surely
22:15:13 <pbrobinson> nothing @base should pull in the likes of printing!
22:15:38 <pbrobinson> EG most Moblin and Sugar apps don't support it
22:15:43 <cwickert> I'll see what nirik and me can do in Fesco, these deps are evil
22:16:14 <maxamillion> cwickert: +1
22:16:41 <pbrobinson> also I'd like to see hardware-support split out into something more granular. Servers rarely have wifi, printers etc, netbooks never have fibre channel etc
22:16:44 <maxamillion> I think we should discuss this further on the mailing list and then get a formal outline of what we really want to do and then just go forward with it
22:17:06 <cwickert> pbrobinson: good catch, I'll add this to my list
22:17:35 <pbrobinson> maxamillion: sounds good! Maybe 2 posts, one for changes to the comps groups and one for the changes to -base.ks
22:17:38 <cwickert> maxamillion: +1, especially since huff seems to have problems with his networking now
22:17:43 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: +1
22:17:52 <maxamillion> cwickert: sounds good to me
22:18:10 <pbrobinson> both of the above have been on my ToDo list for _WAY_ too long!
22:18:19 <maxamillion> ;)
22:18:24 <maxamillion> story of my life :P
22:18:41 <pbrobinson> LOL! too true
22:21:24 <biertie> hmmm
22:21:53 <biertie> I would like to close the meeting actually
22:22:00 <biertie> I NEED sleep o.0
22:22:01 <maxamillion> +1
22:22:17 <maxamillion> laters all
22:22:20 <huff> i missed most of the last part of the dicussion my netowrk is sucking right now
22:22:27 <huff> ill catch up on the log
22:22:28 <biertie> so, if there is something else that is very important
22:22:32 <huff> nope
22:22:33 <biertie> huff: yeah, check the logs :)
22:22:34 <maxamillion> huff: we're going to move the discussions to the list
22:22:39 <huff> 10-54
22:22:39 <biertie> closing in 5
22:22:41 <huff> 10-4
22:22:41 <biertie> 4
22:22:44 <biertie> 3
22:22:46 <biertie> 2
22:22:50 <biertie> 1.5
22:22:52 <maxamillion> lol
22:22:53 <biertie> 1
22:22:59 <biertie> #endmeeting