22:16:17 <Oxf13> #startmeeting Fedora Release Engineering
22:16:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb  8 22:16:17 2010 UTC.  The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:16:22 <Oxf13> #meetingname fedora-releng
22:16:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-releng'
22:16:30 <Oxf13> #topic roll call
22:16:55 <Oxf13> ping: notting jwb lmacken rdieter_work wwoods_nola warren dgilmore poelcat
22:17:07 * poelcat here
22:17:16 * notting is here
22:17:29 * dgilmore is here
22:19:08 <Oxf13> #info poelcat notting dgilmore and Oxf13 are present
22:19:17 <Oxf13> light crew, but I expected that with the time move.
22:19:42 <Oxf13> #topic old business (SOPs)
22:20:02 <Oxf13> another week, another SOP in the bag.  poelcat and I worked on the package signing SOP
22:20:46 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_package_signing
22:21:08 <poelcat> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Engineering_Release_Tickets starting to look good!
22:21:32 <poelcat> do we need a package signing ticket for beta and final?
22:21:48 <Oxf13> no, the assumption is that packages should be signed from here on out
22:22:10 <poelcat> so they don't get into f-13 tree unless they are signed?
22:22:17 <Oxf13> This week we should get the Turn on Bodhi to process updates to branched tree
22:22:32 <Oxf13> poelcat: that's the idea yea.
22:22:37 <poelcat> cool
22:22:45 <poelcat> so our target for this week is #9 ?
22:22:57 <Oxf13> poelcat: we'll likely need a ticket for or an SOP for turning on the pending release nightly compose
22:23:04 <Oxf13> yes, #9
22:23:11 <Oxf13> #info we'll likely need a ticket for or an SOP for turning on the pending release nightly compose
22:23:17 <poelcat> where should I add that to the list?
22:23:35 <Oxf13> #info Target for this week is #9, Turn on Bodhi to process updates to branched tree
22:24:24 <Oxf13> poelcat: that's going to happen around #8
22:24:36 <poelcat> okay, i'll insert a line there
22:24:39 <Oxf13> once we branch, we have to turn on the thing that will publish the branched content
22:24:56 <Oxf13> pretty near the 'update mash configs'
22:25:17 <Oxf13> 8 through 14 are all really tied together and should be done on the same day
22:27:18 <Oxf13> Anything else on this topic?
22:27:28 <Oxf13> #info this week's target will need input from lmacken
22:28:03 <Oxf13> ok, moving on.
22:28:20 <Oxf13> #topic old business (/mnt/koji storage)
22:28:30 <Oxf13> dgilmore: any update here?
22:29:30 <dgilmore> Oxf13: storage has arrived
22:29:41 <dgilmore> and we are waiting on RH IS to install it for us
22:29:54 <dgilmore> until they do that we cant begin testing
22:29:54 <Oxf13> #info still waiting on RH IS to install the storage for us
22:30:00 <Oxf13> ok
22:30:19 <dgilmore> last weeks response was too busy this week will try next week
22:30:21 <notting> dgilmore: any guesstimates on the outage we'd have to take to switch?
22:30:39 <Oxf13> notting: we're hoping to test it a bit first, populate it and throw it at stg.
22:31:53 <Oxf13> outage time will depend on how up to sync it is I suppose and how long it takes rsync to get a file listing and do the final sync up
22:32:02 <Oxf13> multiple hours to be on the safe side I'd imagine
22:32:15 <Oxf13> but I'm just speculating
22:34:18 <Oxf13> notting: does that make sense?
22:34:28 <notting> yeah
22:34:46 <Oxf13> k
22:34:50 <Oxf13> lets move on
22:34:57 <Oxf13> to new(ish) business
22:35:01 <Oxf13> #topic dist-git update
22:35:22 <Oxf13> #info Completed build, scratch-build, and chain-build targets in fedpkg this last week
22:35:28 <dgilmore> notting: fairly small
22:35:45 <Oxf13> This gets us pretty much to something we could start testing against a properly configured koji
22:35:48 <dgilmore> notting: when we switch we will have most of the content on the new storage
22:36:04 <dgilmore> notting: we will need to shut down koji/releng.
22:36:09 <dgilmore> do a final rsync
22:36:16 <Oxf13> so I'm going to switch gears again and work on getting koji.stg modified so that it can handle building from dist-git style scm URLs
22:36:22 <dgilmore> and the make sure everything ahs the new storage mounte d
22:36:30 <Oxf13> #info Going to switch gears again and work on getting koji.stg modified so that it can handle building from dist-git style scm URLs
22:36:57 <Oxf13> #action Oxf13 to work with dgilmore to get a fedora-packager update done to include fedpkg
22:37:10 <Oxf13> dgilmore: I'll have a few more changes to put in, like using koji.stg rather than koji before we do this though
22:37:26 <dgilmore> Oxf13: cool
22:37:39 <dgilmore> Oxf13: i need to test the fedora_cert module more
22:37:53 <dgilmore> and there are some cases in tehre that need twealking
22:37:57 <dgilmore> tweaking
22:38:00 <Oxf13> yeah, I'll want to work with you on some library design there
22:38:11 <dgilmore> :)  i need some help with that
22:38:21 <Oxf13> no worries.
22:38:25 <Oxf13> any other comments on dist-git?
22:38:28 <dgilmore> ive not done it before
22:38:43 <dgilmore> nope
22:39:07 <Oxf13> #topic No Frozen Rawhide
22:39:39 <Oxf13> #info testing went well here, multiple composes did not have significant impact on compose time
22:39:48 <Oxf13> We're full steam ahead on making NFR a reality
22:39:54 <Oxf13> which means we need to scramble a bit this week.
22:40:10 <dgilmore> :)
22:40:15 <dgilmore> what can I help with
22:40:18 <Oxf13> Feature freeze is tomorrow, which means Alpha freeze is in a week.  We need to be prepared to branch and push F-13 content by then
22:40:33 <Oxf13> #info Announcement posted to devel-announce today
22:40:45 <Oxf13> I posted the announcement, with some high level points of what's changing
22:41:05 <dgilmore> I read that.
22:41:15 <Oxf13> but I still need to update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
22:41:23 <Oxf13> #action Oxf13 to update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Implementation
22:41:24 <dgilmore> i wondered if we should make it clear that it means you need to request buildroot overrides
22:41:33 <notting> ... yeah, we should
22:41:36 <Oxf13> dgilmore: you're right
22:41:50 <Oxf13> #info We need to make it clear that buildroot overrides will be needed for F13 content once branched
22:42:16 <Oxf13> poelcat and I have a mini-FAD planned for this Friday to work on our messaging and work on some wiki pages that will have to be changed for NFR
22:42:37 <Oxf13> we haven't yet decided if there will be a open conference call or not, or just the two of us head down working
22:43:22 <Oxf13> hopefully we'll get a good jump on updating all the relevant pages, and at least providing good information that can be used if out of date pages are found in the future
22:44:17 <Oxf13> #info There will likely be more threads regarding some final details of NFR
22:44:58 <Oxf13> Any other comments here?
22:45:28 <dgilmore> nope
22:45:35 <Oxf13> ok, moving on
22:45:39 <Oxf13> #topic Meeting Time
22:46:19 <Oxf13> We've had our meetings at 1800 UTC for quite a while now, however there is a local event that is also during that time that I'd like to start participating in
22:46:25 <Oxf13> (a group bicycle ride)
22:46:29 <Oxf13> #info We've had our meetings at 1800 UTC for quite a while now, however there is a local event that is also during that time that I'd like to start participating in
22:46:43 <Oxf13> to that end, I'd like us to find a new meeting day/time
22:46:57 <dgilmore> my afternoons are pretty free
22:46:59 <Oxf13> which probably means making use of "whenisgood"
22:47:13 <Oxf13> Would anybody like to volunteer to drive a whenisgood run for us?
22:47:27 <dgilmore> sure i can do that
22:47:31 <Oxf13> thanks
22:47:57 <Oxf13> #action dgilmore to drive a whenisgood run for Fedora Release Engineering Meetings time
22:48:15 <Oxf13> #topic Open Floor
22:48:18 <Oxf13> that's it for my topics
22:49:23 <nirik> Oxf13: any idea when the 'fedora-release-rawhide' subpackage might land?
22:49:36 <Oxf13> nirik: that's a good question.
22:50:04 <Oxf13> nirik: how about today/tomorrow, to be before the feature freeze?
22:50:40 <nirik> sounds good. Let me know and I can update the wiki/submit release note, etc.
22:50:50 <Oxf13> k.  I'll try to get on that today
22:50:58 <Oxf13> #action Oxf13 to update fedora-release with the fedora-release-rawhide subpackage
22:50:59 <nirik> cool.
22:52:07 <poelcat> Oxf13: we have an SOP releated to those... would it be too much work to do that SOP at the same time?
22:52:33 <poelcat> check that
22:52:36 <poelcat> i mixed up some terms
22:52:51 * poelcat was thinking of "    *
22:53:04 <poelcat> "Update fedora-release in rawhide"
22:54:28 <Oxf13> that SOP might need to be adjusted somewhat with the subpackage
22:59:40 <Oxf13> Alright, I think I'll close the meeting now, thank you all for coming to the later time.
22:59:48 <Oxf13> #endmeeting