20:08:39 #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 2010-03-17 20:08:39 Meeting started Wed Mar 17 20:08:39 2010 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:08:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:08:50 #chair kital 20:08:51 Current chairs: kital liknus 20:08:59 #topic RollCall 20:09:05 .fas cmpahar 20:09:06 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 20:09:08 JoergSimon 20:09:09 It is on the topic guys! 20:09:12 :) 20:09:16 .fas sspreitzer 20:09:17 sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 20:09:17 .fas ppapadeas 20:09:21 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 20:09:21 .fas zoltanh721 20:09:23 .fas Geroldka 20:09:26 zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' 20:09:30 GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' 20:09:51 .fasinfo jbwillia 20:09:53 Southern_Gentlem: User: jbwillia, Name: Ben Williams, email: vaioof@yahoo.com, Creation: 2006-04-17, IRC Nick: Southern_Gentleman, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100572, GPG key ID: 295A4FBC, Status: active 20:09:57 .fas giannisk 20:09:58 Southern_Gentlem: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors gitcourses irc-support-operators freemedia 20:10:03 giannisk: giannisk 'Konstantinidis Giannis' 20:10:29 #topic Announcements 20:10:40 Ok lets proceed to the Announcements :) 20:10:51 kital, anything from FAmSCo? 20:11:09 i few 20:11:13 s/i/a 20:11:28 not sure if the report was posted last meeting 20:11:30 http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/report/famsco_report_feb_2010.html 20:11:53 we also finalized the dispute resolution draft 20:12:20 in case a mentoree and mentor have a dispute we suggest this procedure 20:12:24 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/dispute_resolution 20:12:55 Maria and David are working on a new FAQ for Ambassadors 20:12:56 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_FAQ 20:13:23 and we started to create a Mentors Survey - just started 20:13:33 eof 20:13:39 mom 20:13:43 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Mentors_Survey 20:13:45 eof 20:14:27 Thanks kital ! There are many things go on for Ambassadors and we have to keep track of them :) Thanks for the wonderful job in famsco! 20:14:44 thanks, we try our best ;) 20:14:49 sspreitzer, can you proceed with your announcement? 20:14:59 ok 20:15:02 one second 20:15:07 ok 20:15:08 Take your time :) 20:15:18 Ok guys 20:15:39 finally Max and I were able to settle a kind of contract 20:15:56 thanks to liknus for establishing the meeting 20:16:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/ae/Media-bit.pdf 20:16:39 * liknus feels good for seeing things get done :) 20:16:52 this is a statement of Red Hat inc. allowing me to order on the behalf of Red Hat at Media Bit company in Munich 20:17:19 so from now on we can order the media stuff without having Red Hat processes and employes involved 20:17:38 ! 20:17:44 Red Hat will just receive the bill and (hopefully) pay it 20:17:45 * liknus saw GeroldKa :) 20:17:50 * cmpahar cool 20:17:52 GeroldKa, yes please 20:17:56 congratulation sspreitzer for that wonderful work, done! 20:17:59 eof 20:18:05 thank you 20:18:09 * sspreitzer *flushes* 20:18:24 so we all can now plan on maybe a process 20:18:29 or maybe a tool 20:18:45 which will help us in generalizing the media orders 20:19:02 eof 20:19:14 I'm happy about that kind of contract 20:19:17 So a question from me 20:19:25 GeroldKa, please follow protocol :) 20:19:30 because it says also, that Sascha will handle all requests 20:19:34 wonderful :-P 20:19:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production#EMEA 20:20:08 ! 20:20:32 sspreitzer, very nice job done :) We need to come up with some suggestions on the exact process that we shall have on the media production and then 20:20:41 publish it to the list for public review 20:20:47 ok but ! 20:20:50 ;) 20:20:59 Ok sspreitzer go ahead :) 20:21:02 ok 20:21:46 GeroldKa, i can hear your critzism out of your sentence, but I think this is a huge step for RHT. And if we can prove Fedoras liablilty 20:21:51 *reliebalilty 20:22:24 we can maybe shift my name into a role of media orderers and ask RHT for a further agreement 20:22:25 :) 20:22:27 eof 20:22:35 in no way sspreitzer, why?! I feel more than happy seeing that is fixed with a wonderful contributor 20:22:48 GeroldKa, please follow Meeting protocol! :) 20:23:29 liknus, ? 20:23:51 sspreitzer, can you please enlighten as of the process you feel we have to follow for letting you know how many and what cds we need? 20:24:05 yes 20:24:17 for F13 we have a budget of 4600 USD 20:24:39 so I will negotiate the costs for production 20:24:49 and then we will need the artwork and ISO images 20:24:59 #topic Media Production 20:25:20 liknus, have my #link links linkified to the protocol? 20:25:36 yeap :) 20:25:40 great 20:26:04 starting this process from now on, Fedora Project EMEA must decide 20:26:17 what ISO images it wants to produce 20:26:27 ? 20:26:35 architectures 20:26:46 * liknus saw GeroldKa 20:26:52 one second 20:26:58 who is Fedora Project EMEA? Is that a bunch of people, a vote? what do you mean with saying that? 20:26:59 eof 20:27:14 and maybe spins as well 20:27:41 and all please being written down into the media_production wiki 20:27:56 and then we can in this meeting go ahead with the topic 20:28:07 i say EMEA, because 20:28:46 generally the statement of Red Hat Inc. is not limited to EMEA, but we tend focus on EMEA? 20:28:51 GeroldKa, ? 20:29:18 ? 20:29:18 sspreitzer, the question is mentioned above 20:29:27 yep 20:29:36 GeroldKa, is your question answered? 20:29:43 <- eof 20:29:43 who decides? 20:29:48 is that a vote? 20:30:01 where should be that bunch of people? 20:30:06 ! 20:30:07 who "hears" the needs? 20:30:11 eof 20:30:12 * liknus saw kital 20:31:38 sspreitzer, GeroldKa asks if there should be something like a wiki page or a trac instance for tracking down needs and then sth like a IRC meeting or a SCO for deciding which things to produce 20:31:47 Is this right GeroldKa ? 20:31:59 let the event owners and meeting attendees decide, by vote during a emea meeting, this topic should be announced before this "special" meeting 20:32:23 liknus, ! 20:32:23 Yeah kital thats a nice thing to do :) 20:32:26 sspreitzer, 20:32:40 ! 20:32:46 * liknus saw bochecha 20:32:59 ! 20:33:13 * liknus also saw cmpahar 20:33:22 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:33:31 @ALL; Please vote with +1 or 0, if deciding media production within emea ambassadors meeting is ok with you, until now and furtheron, until withdrawn 20:33:42 +1 20:33:47 +1 20:33:49 -1 20:33:53 -1 20:34:07 eof 20:34:13 +1 20:34:15 +1 20:34:20 +1 20:34:36 Not this meeting, just to clarify that we are talking about a special meeting 20:34:42 +1 20:34:51 * bochecha notes we are voting on whether or not we should vote... talking about efficiency :-/ 20:35:24 bochecha, we do not have to be efficient, because we evolve. (like nature) 20:35:27 Lets all hear the "-1" guys 20:35:35 GeroldKa, go ahead 20:36:11 liknus: bochecha and cmpahar were first 20:36:35 imho we need to have a smaller bunch of people who decide what will be produced ONE time in a release cycle 20:36:51 yeah kital but on a different subject and as sspreitzer brough this up, I am postponing it a little bit.. 20:37:04 oki ;) 20:37:22 * cmpahar it is on the same subject... 20:37:23 imho it makes not sence to have a discussion and a vote from all ambassadors what THEY want 20:37:45 ! 20:37:52 GeroldKa: collect what they want - find a consense vote on it 20:38:17 +1 for kital's opinion 20:38:22 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:38:23 there must be the listen to the people who are request media btw.; and I personally think, at least in Germany 95% of the media never see a CDROM from inside (which we gave away) 20:38:24 eof 20:38:56 i have some thoughts about the media as well yes 20:39:12 basicall we should arrange this via the wiki page 20:39:23 everyone can leave his/her thought on it about it 20:39:27 and second thing is 20:39:40 in europe we have a big broadband network 20:40:06 i think we should focus on africa and middle east where we can give the cd's away 20:40:38 thinking of bandwidth and infrastructure 20:40:52 physical media imho makes more sense there 20:40:54 eof 20:40:54 ! 20:40:58 ! 20:41:00 sspreitzer, we shall state these thoughts on the mailing list 20:41:15 Shall i make it an action item? 20:41:24 * cmpahar waits.. 20:41:33 liknus, yes please 20:41:38 i think the medias are a marketing instrument - we gave away 1400 medias in the last two month in europe - so people still request it 20:41:42 cmpahar, you too? :) 20:41:42 #action sspreitzer starts a mailing list thread on media production on EMEA 20:42:06 * liknus appologizes to cmpahar and bochecha 20:42:09 * cmpahar please guys, follow the protocol !!!!! 20:42:10 cmpahar, go ahead 20:42:18 for me kital's solution is not the right because we don't know where, when and who will be an event owner. Although we can see from past Countries media request and order the media, based (+/-) on these requests 20:42:54 cmpahar: that is the reason why we have event planing 20:43:12 then we can create a wiki page with these requests and let an ambassadors from each country to decide if the number is fair. 20:43:25 kital, we are talking about a release circle. 20:43:39 i took bochecha turn, sorry 20:43:42 eof 20:43:51 cmpahar media production will be done in large bunches and stored and distributed 20:43:53 bochecha, go ahead and sorry for the ddelay 20:44:10 kital, please ... the protocol :) 20:44:20 disclaimer: in France we produce our own media, so I have kind of an outsider look to this whole issue ;) 20:44:42 now, on to what I was about to say :) 20:44:42 liknus: cmpahar had directed the conversation to me 20:44:45 GeroldKa: collect what they want - find a consense vote on it 20:44:56 if you have a consense, you don't need to vote 20:45:06 or else, you wouldn't have a consense :) 20:45:37 anyway, why should there be a vote? FOSS works on meritocracy. Someone steps up to do the job, and then he is naturally in charge 20:45:47 right bochecha s/consense/quorum 20:46:01 sspreitzer is doing it, he seems like the natural leader for this matter 20:46:22 how about people request media (spin/arches) on a mailing list/wiki page/trac instance 20:46:22 * sspreitzer gulps 20:46:41 bochecha because you will have different opinions how much lxde, xfce, gnome, kde ... media will be produced 20:46:48 based on the requests, he can decide on which ones to produce (the most wanted, etc...) 20:47:00 kital, did I say the contrary? ;) 20:47:05 ! 20:47:06 based on the requests, he can decide on which ones to produce (the most wanted, etc...) 20:47:17 ? 20:47:23 and when in doubt, there's always the broader community/FAmSCo to refer to 20:47:30 simple, efficient, no headaches :) 20:47:41 sspreitzer, don't gulp, you already did the hardest part ;) 20:47:41 eof 20:47:50 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:47:52 ok 20:48:03 bochecha, its ok. i think yes 20:48:05 but 20:48:21 eod on this topic please 20:48:39 let us follow this on the mailinglist then 20:48:43 +1 20:48:46 i will write the mail tomorrow 20:48:49 eof 20:49:00 +1 20:49:01 GeroldKa, go ahead 20:49:14 (or not?) 20:50:16 * liknus remebers t2hot :) 20:50:28 GeroldKa, ? 20:51:07 t2hot, go ahead 20:51:58 thanks 20:53:11 +1 to on decision to consider Africa more on the distribution 20:54:28 t2hot, dont forget to write "eof" when you are done 20:54:35 It would be fine to have a means of collecting request online (db) and distribute the %ge accross for the production 20:55:14 * bochecha gots to go, bye everyone, sorry to leave early 20:55:25 I get a lot of requests here for DVDs but I have a low bandwidth to satistfy such demands 20:55:26 * liknus waves to bochecha :) 20:55:31 eof 20:55:40 thanks t2hot 20:55:44 * cmpahar bb bochecha 20:55:51 Africa is really a big point to consider 20:56:06 We should have a follow up on the mailing list 20:56:15 Lets move on to our events :) 20:56:19 #Events 20:56:26 #topic Events 20:56:30 ! 20:56:46 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#FY11_Q1_.28March_2010_-_May_2010.29_2 20:56:50 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:56:54 thanks 20:57:11 on 24th and 25th will be openexpo in berne, switzerland 20:57:17 who will be there 100% ? 20:57:26 * sspreitzer will 20:57:29 eof 20:57:33 * kital will be there at least one day 20:57:33 I guess we shall nudge fab 20:57:50 ! 20:57:59 http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2010-bern/open-source-projekte/ 20:58:11 sspreitzer, go ahead 20:58:56 yes, kital is everything arranged for the booth? do we have some open checkpoints? 20:58:57 eof 20:59:09 kital, 20:59:10 sspreitzer: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/7 21:00:03 ohoh 21:00:46 ! 21:00:54 kital, 21:01:14 find the event reports for chemnitzer linuxtage from last weekend 21:01:16 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2010#Reports 21:01:38 - there is also a important point i want to raise 21:02:08 Linuxtag Berlin has no Fedora Presence so far 21:02:36 the Call for Projects ends 24th March http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en/joining.html 21:03:00 Thomas Wörner is able to volunteer but not to lead the event owner ship 21:03:33 kital could you please make an announcement on the list for this subject ? So as all to know that we are looking for someone to handle it 21:03:36 i was asked by Linuxtag e.V. People that Fedora should attend 21:03:39 eof 21:04:08 GeroldKa: anything to add 21:04:35 ! 21:04:38 liknus: i think GeroldKa has done it already several times - maybe Linuxtag should learn that it is the wrong venue 21:04:50 eof 21:04:55 ok kital as you wish 21:04:59 GeroldKa, go ahead 21:05:04 nothing to add, but Thomas cann`t to it afaik 21:05:06 eof 21:05:48 ok guys thats not a nice situation for fedora, but 21:05:50 liknus: this was just my opinion ;) not a advice 21:06:09 i guess that we have a reason for treating Linux Tag such way 21:06:47 kital, and GeroldKa know about this but maybe we should express it more public inorder for the rest of us to understand whats happening 21:07:54 liknus: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-January/013463.html 21:08:25 I see kital ... 21:08:44 ! 21:08:54 sspreitzer, 21:08:55 liknus: the event is not important enough for me to invest my time 21:08:59 eof 21:09:29 imho we can not attend and nor must we 21:09:35 every exhibition 21:09:56 we do not have any pressure to be the Fedora brand on every event 21:10:03 take it easy, please 21:10:05 eof 21:10:09 sspreitzer: +1 21:10:14 point taken sspreitzer , thank you :) 21:10:19 +1 for me 21:10:20 ! 21:10:23 GeroldKa, 21:10:42 on the one hand we MUST be presented on every event because we're leader ... 21:10:59 !!!!!!!!!! 21:11:06 on the other hand; this year there is no chance for me either to lead or to organize 21:11:23 because of heavy workload for my employer 21:11:43 (background: three collegues retired in February) 21:11:46 eof 21:11:48 sspreitzer, go ahead but please dont make it a flame :) 21:11:52 ok 21:11:57 Fedora is First 21:12:06 that has nothing to do with leading 21:12:12 we evolve, we do not lead 21:12:13 eof 21:12:27 ok sspreitzer 21:12:35 anything more on anyone on events? 21:12:59 ! 21:13:19 kital, 21:13:45 we tried to apply for an event in ghana http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_2010 21:14:13 Oh yes! update us on that :) 21:14:17 but the FOSSFA want 5000$ for a booth 21:14:47 * liknus is stunned :S 21:15:09 i still in contact with the chair - maybe we can make it happen to have at least a Ambassador there 21:15:19 but no way to ship sspreitzer to ghana 21:15:34 :( 21:15:35 i will work further on this event - but i have not much hope 21:15:37 eof 21:15:56 No sspreitzer there because of costs? 21:16:18 liknus: yes and no 21:17:01 1600 € for the trip is much money 21:17:16 ! 21:17:20 kital, I found much cheaper ones from Greece 21:17:22 but if we would think it would help to make it a success we would spend this money 21:17:55 but without a event we will not ship someone 21:17:57 eof 21:18:19 sspreitzer, go ahead 21:18:21 ok 21:18:41 some of you might ask himself, why sending someone from europe to africa? 21:18:49 *or herself 21:19:10 the answer is that we have not much ambassadors in africa 21:19:25 compared to europe 21:19:41 so, besides spreading the word 21:20:05 the priority task in africa region is to enable people 21:20:11 make ambassadors 21:20:19 and let them handle the things 21:20:20 eof 21:20:32 thanks sspreitzer 21:20:56 I guess we will have a follow up on the Ghana event on next meeting :) 21:21:37 Anything more on any event everyone? 21:21:37 * cwickert nearly missed the meeting due to a long phone call, sorry 21:22:02 * kital has to go now :( 21:22:07 cu all guys 21:22:10 Max is not here so we have no left action items from previous meeting 21:22:17 c ya kital ! 21:22:18 lol 21:23:09 So lets move on to our OpenFloor 21:23:14 #topic OpenFloor 21:23:37 ! 21:23:42 cwickert, if you need to add something on the things said before please go ahead :) 21:23:43 sspreitzer, 21:24:04 I have a topic that I think is major for having meetings 21:24:09 liknus, I have to read the backlog first 21:24:28 by looking at all the non english native speakers 21:24:44 and the wide area network connections 21:25:08 I think we need to give the poeple and talkers in here on IRC more time 21:25:15 on forming there sentences 21:25:24 some might have problems with english 21:25:31 others with big network delays 21:25:36 thinking of africa 21:25:40 or middle east 21:25:42 eof 21:25:45 Ok I shall make a special note on that on the list :) 21:25:56 Thanks for bringing it up sspreitzer ! 21:26:05 Anything else anyone? 21:26:21 ! 21:26:34 Go ahead my Hungarian friend :) 21:27:08 I have begun to learn inkscape by Nicu 21:27:29 and I have tossed the idea to have new buttons for F13 21:28:04 I have given som pictures from Nasa repository 21:28:13 and Nicu made some samples 21:28:21 Any links zoltanh7211 ? 21:28:35 I would like to hear your opnions 21:28:42 links is here 21:29:16 http://zoltanh721.fedorapeople.org/ 21:29:30 look for fedora badge 1-3 21:29:34 png 21:30:09 if anybody has more idea on this 21:30:16 ! 21:30:31 just shoot an mail 21:30:56 There are nice zoltanh7211 ! but a bit to release specific...Very nice anyways :) 21:30:58 sspreitzer, 21:31:22 ! 21:31:28 liknus: I would like to create these in every release 21:31:36 zoltanh7211, they are really great! t 21:31:39 eof 21:31:49 eof 21:32:15 nice zoltanh7211 :) Maybe there should be a not on F13 , the number of the release i mean 21:32:16 * cmpahar zodbot great work! Congratulations!!!!!! I really like them! 21:32:41 Yeah zodbot ..nice work keeping logs :P 21:33:03 ! 21:33:06 Ok guys I shall and the meeting in 5 minutes 21:33:08 sspreitzer, 21:33:09 * cmpahar zoltanh7211 great work! Congratulations!!!!!! I really like them! 21:33:20 * cmpahar linkus xchat's fail 21:33:21 :P 21:33:24 ! 21:33:29 i have some commercial i have to place before the meeting ends 21:33:32 * cmpahar it is END :P 21:33:35 it is OT 21:33:40 so ignore me for it 21:33:51 I am trying to found a foundation 21:33:56 cwickert go ahead 21:34:04 the Free Tehchnology Foundation 21:34:11 http://freetf.net/ 21:34:31 to protect and foster what is far beyond OpenSource 21:34:33 eof 21:34:34 ;) 21:34:42 Nice sspreitzer ..good luck on that 21:34:51 1 minute left guys... 21:34:57 !!! 21:35:00 cwickert? 21:35:02