14:59:59 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
14:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Mar 29 14:59:59 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:00:02 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:08 <jlaska> #topic Gathering
15:00:19 * kparal greets everyone
15:00:37 * jlaska waves
15:00:53 * daumas sits in a corner out of the light
15:01:31 <jlaska> daumas: hi there
15:01:47 <daumas> jlaska: hello
15:01:55 * jskladan waving
15:02:01 * maxamillion is here
15:02:06 <jlaska> greetings all
15:02:22 <jlaska> just a heads up, we'll be minus adamw today
15:02:45 <maxamillion> bummer .... am I the only Adam in the room now?
15:03:06 <jlaska> I pinged wwoods to remind that the meeting time has changed, so he should be here shortly
15:03:10 <jlaska> maxamillion: the one and only!
15:03:55 <jlaska> okay, let's get started ... we've got a short agenda for today
15:04:02 <jlaska> Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html
15:04:02 <maxamillion> jlaska: feels weird, don't have a "oh no no no, you wanted to assign that action item to AdamW" cop out anymore :P
15:04:19 <jlaska> haha
15:04:25 <maxamillion> #link Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html
15:04:39 <maxamillion> hrmm... not sure I can do that one, might be meeting owner/leader only
15:05:12 <jlaska> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:27 <jlaska> I'll skip the first item until wwoods is here ...
15:05:36 <jlaska> #info maxamillion will work on second draft of provenpackagers proposal
15:05:50 <jlaska> maxamillion: I saw some list activity on this topic recently?
15:06:07 <kparal> proventesters?
15:06:12 <maxamillion> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters:Draft
15:06:17 <kparal> ok
15:06:33 <maxamillion> yeah, I for some reason got it in my head that it was ProvenPackagers and I was writing that up like it was normal
15:06:43 <maxamillion> I'm waiting for the confusion to subside
15:06:54 <maxamillion> actually, let me re-send the email with a correct title
15:07:17 <maxamillion> jlaska: I just sent it last night ... so I imagine it will get attention on list and we can hash out the rest next week
15:07:46 <jlaska> awesome, thanks for taking another stab at it
15:07:57 <jlaska> maxamillion: what would you be looking for next with that?
15:07:58 <maxamillion> happy to do so :)
15:08:17 <maxamillion> jlaska: I think just a group +1 on the procedure
15:08:23 * Viking-Ice jumps in on a new time..
15:08:34 <maxamillion> unless there is any other outstanding issues people have with it
15:08:47 <jlaska> Viking-Ice: welcome
15:10:01 <jlaska> maxamillion: you also had a thread out about adding more details on the mentor process, are there any things to chase down there?
15:11:13 <maxamillion> jlaska: no, only got 1 response and I had already read the wiki page that response suggested I read
15:11:24 <jlaska> maxamillion: okay, cool
15:11:34 <maxamillion> jlaska: so I honestly just kinda made it up and was hoping others would provide feedback to what they thought of what I came up with
15:11:40 <jlaska> so hopefully folks get a chance to review the updates and provide thoughts to the list this week
15:11:52 <jlaska> maxamillion: should we keep this on for discussion next week?
15:12:47 <maxamillion> jlaska: maybe just a quick mention or hopefully finalization
15:12:56 <jlaska> alrighty, will do
15:13:06 <jlaska> next up ...
15:13:09 <jlaska> #info adamw will provide a draft for the update test plan
15:13:39 <jlaska> Adam initiated discussion on this topic (see thread http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089690.html)
15:13:52 * kparal planning to read it today
15:13:55 <jlaska> I'm not up to date on the feedback, but it looks to be inprogress
15:14:50 <jlaska> just like maxamillion's topic, this will likely be an ongoing discussion this week
15:14:53 <jlaska> next ...
15:14:56 <jlaska> #info jlaska to post meeting time change request to test@l.fp.org
15:15:12 <jlaska> Egg on me, I just changed it for today
15:15:48 <jlaska> keeping the meeting time to localtime (instead of following UTC) seemed fine with folks when we last checked in
15:16:02 <jlaska> so if that's still the case, let's just keep this time
15:16:17 <kparal> certainly works for me
15:17:00 <jlaska> okay, I'll update the the list when changed
15:17:03 <maxamillion> works for me, but $dayjob will trample occasionally because that makes the meeting 10am local time and that seems to be popular for meetings around here
15:17:22 <jlaska> yeah, that's prime meeting time huh :)
15:17:35 <jlaska> okay ... last up ...
15:17:38 <jlaska> #info wwoods and adamw to discuss tooling needs for priv esc. test
15:18:27 <jlaska> adamw and wwoods discussed this over a few mails, I'm not sure who has the ball now.  But I believe there was agreement in a small script to identify potential priv. escalation packages
15:18:59 <jlaska> there seems to be some tie-in to potential rpmguard tests, so heads up kparal, I asked for any future plans to land as tickets for later discussion
15:19:30 <jlaska> okay ... diving into agenda
15:19:34 <jlaska> #topic F-13-Beta Testing
15:19:57 <jlaska> I'm sure no one needs a reminder, but just a heads up that we are knee deep in the Beta release candidate phase
15:20:16 <jlaska> You can find (and add) test results on the wiki at:
15:20:29 <jlaska> * Desktop results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
15:20:39 <jlaska> * Install results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
15:20:48 <kparal> it seems like there will be another RC?
15:20:52 <jlaska> definitely
15:21:16 <jlaska> not sure if Oxf13 is around, but I planned to ping him later today for an update
15:21:51 <jlaska> we'll need an updated RC today if we want to have enough test progress for the go/no_go meeting
15:21:54 <jlaska> speaking of ...
15:22:01 <etank> if i have a F13 install from Alpha do i need to do a fresh install of Beta to test the bugs or just update what i currently have?
15:22:08 <maxamillion> jlaska: when is the go/no_go meeting scheduled for?
15:22:26 <jlaska> #info Beta Go/No_Go meeting scheduled for 2010-03-31 (20:00 EDT)
15:22:51 <maxamillion> etank: depends on the test case, some of them a reinstall will be needed, others an upgrade would probably suffice
15:23:28 <jlaska> The F13Beta blocker list has 2 unmodified bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=538274&hide_resolved=1
15:24:01 <jlaska> I know pjones and dlehman were working bug#577196 aggresively on Friday ... I've not worked down my bugzilla mail yet for the latest
15:24:07 <jlaska> .bug 577196
15:24:09 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 577196 Freeze when installing bootloader - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577196
15:24:21 <jlaska> and kparal has an addition to the list today ...
15:24:23 <jlaska> .bug 577789
15:24:25 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 577789 Transition to GDM does not work, screen hangs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577789
15:24:35 <kparal> that may be resolved later today
15:24:41 <jlaska> kparal: oh that's great!
15:24:52 <kparal> I spoke with halfline and he said it could be caused by gdm
15:25:00 <kparal> which is currently pending in bodhi
15:25:09 <kparal> I will try the update and report back
15:25:15 <jlaska> does this feel like a Beta release criteria issue?
15:25:40 <kparal> well it breaks X, kind of
15:26:44 <maxamillion> yeah... I think the ability to get to a login prompt is expected by beta release (imo)
15:26:45 <jlaska> kparal: right, I'm not up on the latest in that bug.  I'll need your feedback on the impact the changes in the new gdm, with the # of impacted users of that bug
15:27:14 <jlaska> agreed ... but we'd need to get some data on whether this affects everyone, or some subsets of users
15:28:05 <kparal> I don't know how to find out :)
15:28:26 <jlaska> kparal: I'll find you this meeting, we can chat further
15:28:37 <kparal> ok
15:28:44 * maxamillion adds an "after" to that
15:28:59 <jlaska> maxamillion: thanks for the assist :D
15:29:13 <maxamillion> jlaska: doing what I can :)
15:29:35 <halfline> it should only affect users who have updates-testing enabled
15:29:58 <jlaska> ah, so it's specific to a gdm that isn't on the RC1 media, but is in updates-testing
15:30:16 <halfline> sort of
15:30:18 <halfline> the back story is...
15:30:23 <halfline> i pushed a plymouth update to updates-testing
15:30:32 <halfline> that quickly exposed a problem in gdm
15:30:38 <halfline> i added a fix for gdm ot the same update
15:30:49 <halfline> but the gdm bit never got pushed to updates-testing
15:31:06 <jlaska> aha, I see
15:31:09 <halfline> so people running hte plymouth update from updates-testing are affected unless they grab the gdm update as well
15:31:28 <halfline> i basically forgot to click "Push to Updates Testing" in the web form after adding the gdm package to the update
15:31:35 <jlaska> halfline: does this affect anyone using that plymouth, or just specific scenarios?
15:33:20 <jlaska> well, we can tackle that after the meeting
15:33:29 <jlaska> anything else on the beta folks wanted to discuss?
15:34:00 <maxamillion> I still can't get X in virtualbox, but I don't know if that's a F13 issue or a vbox issue
15:34:19 <daumas> maxamillion: have you tried adding ignoreabi to your xorg.conf ?
15:34:25 <jlaska> maxamillion: I gather that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken ?
15:34:44 <maxamillion> jlaska: yeah, I added that to the wiki page :)
15:34:44 <robatino> maxamillion: you need to use the vesa driver
15:34:52 <robatino> it's a vbox bug
15:34:53 <maxamillion> daumas: no, I have not
15:34:58 <maxamillion> robatino: ah, epic
15:34:59 <jlaska> maxamillion: yeah, wasn't sure if itwas the same issue still
15:35:09 <jlaska> > Should be fixed in xorg-x11-server 1.7.99.901-10.20100223.
15:35:15 <robatino> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken was fixed in RC1
15:35:25 <jlaska> well that's good news
15:36:09 <maxamillion> ah
15:36:10 <jlaska> kparal: halfline noted that your issue would affect all users with the updated plymouth, but a downlevel gdm ... seems like a valid blocker
15:36:30 <kparal> jlaska: until the gdm update is pushed out
15:36:31 <maxamillion> I'm apparently running an older version of vbox ... :/
15:37:02 <jlaska> kparal: right, so seems like we just need that newer gdm in updates-testing for the beta
15:37:37 <jlaska> okay ... just a quick reminding on upcoming test days ..
15:37:45 <jlaska> #topic Upcoming Test Days
15:37:57 <jlaska> on Tuesday we have ...
15:38:06 <jlaska> #info 2010-03-30 - SSSD by Default Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-30_SSSDByDefault
15:39:03 <jlaska> we're in good shape for this tomorrow ... the wiki has updated test cases (thanks shanks!)
15:39:12 <jlaska> and I'll be building updated live images later today to post to the iwki
15:39:16 <jlaska> s/iwki/wiki/
15:39:20 <jlaska> Also this week ...
15:39:33 <jlaska> #intof 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT
15:40:01 <jlaska> kparal: how are things shaping up for Thursday
15:40:06 <jlaska> #info 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT
15:40:11 <jlaska> good lord, I can't type today
15:40:14 <shanks> jlaska, anytime :)
15:40:39 <kparal> jlaska: jmoskovc complained he had really much work to do, but the test cases should be ready by thursday
15:41:09 <jlaska> kparal: lemme know if you need help from others to knock out those test cases
15:42:14 <kparal> will do
15:42:30 <jlaska> so busy week with Beta and test days
15:42:37 <jlaska> next week we'll have the Virt Test Day ...
15:42:56 <jlaska> #info 2010-04-08 - Virtualization test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization
15:43:31 <jlaska> there aren't any test cases yet, I spoke w/ llim today who has someone who can work with jforbes to outline some high-level test instructions for the event
15:43:49 <jlaska> so that should start to flesh out this week
15:44:13 <jlaska> alrighty ... that's all I had on the agenda today
15:44:23 <jlaska> #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
15:44:45 <jlaska> Trying to keep things light today, since I know everyone is busy trying to make sure the Beta is outstanding
15:45:05 <jlaska> anything we didn't mention already that folks would to discuss today?
15:46:32 * kparal watches silence...
15:46:36 <maxamillion> nothing I can think of
15:46:53 <jlaska> alright then ... let's get back to the Beta :)
15:47:10 <jlaska> As usual, I'll send minutes to the list
15:47:17 <jlaska> thanks for your time everyone
15:47:19 <jlaska> #endmeeting