14:59:59 #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 14:59:59 Meeting started Mon Mar 29 14:59:59 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:02 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:08 #topic Gathering 15:00:19 * kparal greets everyone 15:00:37 * jlaska waves 15:00:53 * daumas sits in a corner out of the light 15:01:31 daumas: hi there 15:01:47 jlaska: hello 15:01:55 * jskladan waving 15:02:01 * maxamillion is here 15:02:06 greetings all 15:02:22 just a heads up, we'll be minus adamw today 15:02:45 bummer .... am I the only Adam in the room now? 15:03:06 I pinged wwoods to remind that the meeting time has changed, so he should be here shortly 15:03:10 maxamillion: the one and only! 15:03:55 okay, let's get started ... we've got a short agenda for today 15:04:02 Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html 15:04:02 jlaska: feels weird, don't have a "oh no no no, you wanted to assign that action item to AdamW" cop out anymore :P 15:04:19 haha 15:04:25 #link Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html 15:04:39 hrmm... not sure I can do that one, might be meeting owner/leader only 15:05:12 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:05:27 I'll skip the first item until wwoods is here ... 15:05:36 #info maxamillion will work on second draft of provenpackagers proposal 15:05:50 maxamillion: I saw some list activity on this topic recently? 15:06:07 proventesters? 15:06:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters:Draft 15:06:17 ok 15:06:33 yeah, I for some reason got it in my head that it was ProvenPackagers and I was writing that up like it was normal 15:06:43 I'm waiting for the confusion to subside 15:06:54 actually, let me re-send the email with a correct title 15:07:17 jlaska: I just sent it last night ... so I imagine it will get attention on list and we can hash out the rest next week 15:07:46 awesome, thanks for taking another stab at it 15:07:57 maxamillion: what would you be looking for next with that? 15:07:58 happy to do so :) 15:08:17 jlaska: I think just a group +1 on the procedure 15:08:23 * Viking-Ice jumps in on a new time.. 15:08:34 unless there is any other outstanding issues people have with it 15:08:47 Viking-Ice: welcome 15:10:01 maxamillion: you also had a thread out about adding more details on the mentor process, are there any things to chase down there? 15:11:13 jlaska: no, only got 1 response and I had already read the wiki page that response suggested I read 15:11:24 maxamillion: okay, cool 15:11:34 jlaska: so I honestly just kinda made it up and was hoping others would provide feedback to what they thought of what I came up with 15:11:40 so hopefully folks get a chance to review the updates and provide thoughts to the list this week 15:11:52 maxamillion: should we keep this on for discussion next week? 15:12:47 jlaska: maybe just a quick mention or hopefully finalization 15:12:56 alrighty, will do 15:13:06 next up ... 15:13:09 #info adamw will provide a draft for the update test plan 15:13:39 Adam initiated discussion on this topic (see thread http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089690.html) 15:13:52 * kparal planning to read it today 15:13:55 I'm not up to date on the feedback, but it looks to be inprogress 15:14:50 just like maxamillion's topic, this will likely be an ongoing discussion this week 15:14:53 next ... 15:14:56 #info jlaska to post meeting time change request to test@l.fp.org 15:15:12 Egg on me, I just changed it for today 15:15:48 keeping the meeting time to localtime (instead of following UTC) seemed fine with folks when we last checked in 15:16:02 so if that's still the case, let's just keep this time 15:16:17 certainly works for me 15:17:00 okay, I'll update the the list when changed 15:17:03 works for me, but $dayjob will trample occasionally because that makes the meeting 10am local time and that seems to be popular for meetings around here 15:17:22 yeah, that's prime meeting time huh :) 15:17:35 okay ... last up ... 15:17:38 #info wwoods and adamw to discuss tooling needs for priv esc. test 15:18:27 adamw and wwoods discussed this over a few mails, I'm not sure who has the ball now. But I believe there was agreement in a small script to identify potential priv. escalation packages 15:18:59 there seems to be some tie-in to potential rpmguard tests, so heads up kparal, I asked for any future plans to land as tickets for later discussion 15:19:30 okay ... diving into agenda 15:19:34 #topic F-13-Beta Testing 15:19:57 I'm sure no one needs a reminder, but just a heads up that we are knee deep in the Beta release candidate phase 15:20:16 You can find (and add) test results on the wiki at: 15:20:29 * Desktop results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test 15:20:39 * Install results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test 15:20:48 it seems like there will be another RC? 15:20:52 definitely 15:21:16 not sure if Oxf13 is around, but I planned to ping him later today for an update 15:21:51 we'll need an updated RC today if we want to have enough test progress for the go/no_go meeting 15:21:54 speaking of ... 15:22:01 if i have a F13 install from Alpha do i need to do a fresh install of Beta to test the bugs or just update what i currently have? 15:22:08 jlaska: when is the go/no_go meeting scheduled for? 15:22:26 #info Beta Go/No_Go meeting scheduled for 2010-03-31 (20:00 EDT) 15:22:51 etank: depends on the test case, some of them a reinstall will be needed, others an upgrade would probably suffice 15:23:28 The F13Beta blocker list has 2 unmodified bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=538274&hide_resolved=1 15:24:01 I know pjones and dlehman were working bug#577196 aggresively on Friday ... I've not worked down my bugzilla mail yet for the latest 15:24:07 .bug 577196 15:24:09 jlaska: Bug 577196 Freeze when installing bootloader - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577196 15:24:21 and kparal has an addition to the list today ... 15:24:23 .bug 577789 15:24:25 jlaska: Bug 577789 Transition to GDM does not work, screen hangs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577789 15:24:35 that may be resolved later today 15:24:41 kparal: oh that's great! 15:24:52 I spoke with halfline and he said it could be caused by gdm 15:25:00 which is currently pending in bodhi 15:25:09 I will try the update and report back 15:25:15 does this feel like a Beta release criteria issue? 15:25:40 well it breaks X, kind of 15:26:44 yeah... I think the ability to get to a login prompt is expected by beta release (imo) 15:26:45 kparal: right, I'm not up on the latest in that bug. I'll need your feedback on the impact the changes in the new gdm, with the # of impacted users of that bug 15:27:14 agreed ... but we'd need to get some data on whether this affects everyone, or some subsets of users 15:28:05 I don't know how to find out :) 15:28:26 kparal: I'll find you this meeting, we can chat further 15:28:37 ok 15:28:44 * maxamillion adds an "after" to that 15:28:59 maxamillion: thanks for the assist :D 15:29:13 jlaska: doing what I can :) 15:29:35 it should only affect users who have updates-testing enabled 15:29:58 ah, so it's specific to a gdm that isn't on the RC1 media, but is in updates-testing 15:30:16 sort of 15:30:18 the back story is... 15:30:23 i pushed a plymouth update to updates-testing 15:30:32 that quickly exposed a problem in gdm 15:30:38 i added a fix for gdm ot the same update 15:30:49 but the gdm bit never got pushed to updates-testing 15:31:06 aha, I see 15:31:09 so people running hte plymouth update from updates-testing are affected unless they grab the gdm update as well 15:31:28 i basically forgot to click "Push to Updates Testing" in the web form after adding the gdm package to the update 15:31:35 halfline: does this affect anyone using that plymouth, or just specific scenarios? 15:33:20 well, we can tackle that after the meeting 15:33:29 anything else on the beta folks wanted to discuss? 15:34:00 I still can't get X in virtualbox, but I don't know if that's a F13 issue or a vbox issue 15:34:19 maxamillion: have you tried adding ignoreabi to your xorg.conf ? 15:34:25 maxamillion: I gather that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken ? 15:34:44 jlaska: yeah, I added that to the wiki page :) 15:34:44 maxamillion: you need to use the vesa driver 15:34:52 it's a vbox bug 15:34:53 daumas: no, I have not 15:34:58 robatino: ah, epic 15:34:59 maxamillion: yeah, wasn't sure if itwas the same issue still 15:35:09 > Should be fixed in xorg-x11-server 1.7.99.901-10.20100223. 15:35:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken was fixed in RC1 15:35:25 well that's good news 15:36:09 ah 15:36:10 kparal: halfline noted that your issue would affect all users with the updated plymouth, but a downlevel gdm ... seems like a valid blocker 15:36:30 jlaska: until the gdm update is pushed out 15:36:31 I'm apparently running an older version of vbox ... :/ 15:37:02 kparal: right, so seems like we just need that newer gdm in updates-testing for the beta 15:37:37 okay ... just a quick reminding on upcoming test days .. 15:37:45 #topic Upcoming Test Days 15:37:57 on Tuesday we have ... 15:38:06 #info 2010-03-30 - SSSD by Default Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-30_SSSDByDefault 15:39:03 we're in good shape for this tomorrow ... the wiki has updated test cases (thanks shanks!) 15:39:12 and I'll be building updated live images later today to post to the iwki 15:39:16 s/iwki/wiki/ 15:39:20 Also this week ... 15:39:33 #intof 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT 15:40:01 kparal: how are things shaping up for Thursday 15:40:06 #info 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT 15:40:11 good lord, I can't type today 15:40:14 jlaska, anytime :) 15:40:39 jlaska: jmoskovc complained he had really much work to do, but the test cases should be ready by thursday 15:41:09 kparal: lemme know if you need help from others to knock out those test cases 15:42:14 will do 15:42:30 so busy week with Beta and test days 15:42:37 next week we'll have the Virt Test Day ... 15:42:56 #info 2010-04-08 - Virtualization test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization 15:43:31 there aren't any test cases yet, I spoke w/ llim today who has someone who can work with jforbes to outline some high-level test instructions for the event 15:43:49 so that should start to flesh out this week 15:44:13 alrighty ... that's all I had on the agenda today 15:44:23 #topic Open Discussion - 15:44:45 Trying to keep things light today, since I know everyone is busy trying to make sure the Beta is outstanding 15:45:05 anything we didn't mention already that folks would to discuss today? 15:46:32 * kparal watches silence... 15:46:36 nothing I can think of 15:46:53 alright then ... let's get back to the Beta :) 15:47:10 As usual, I'll send minutes to the list 15:47:17 thanks for your time everyone 15:47:19 #endmeeting