15:00:40 #startmeeting 15:00:41 Meeting started Wed Mar 31 15:00:40 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:10 #topic Fedora Summer Coding - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG#Agenda - intro & roll call 15:02:33 ok, despite throwing the agenda and stuff together late last night ... 15:03:17 was finishing another project, so now I have most of my time to devote to Fedora Summer codin 15:04:00 * quaid waits a few more minutes to gives folks a chance to be here 15:04:47 * pwbarnes is ready. 15:05:05 * jreznik is ready, pinging rvokal 15:05:06 meet started? 15:07:04 dash123: Started, but on hold to give everyone a chance to show up. 15:07:36 ok 15:07:59 #topic Fedora Summer Coding - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG#Agenda - Status on $whatever 15:08:30 I did some updates and am about 1/2 way done with this set of pages: 15:08:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Summer_Coding_2010 15:09:15 in particular, I worked from the [[GSoC 2010 plan]] to create the [[Summer Coding 2010 plan]], but it needs more thinking 15:09:41 the hard target is that there are a number of different messages for different audiences 15:10:14 I'll be working on those today and pushing the results back to the list. 15:11:14 * quaid gets the minutes from last week .. 15:12:31 #link 15:12:33 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-24/fedora-meeting.2010-03-24-15.02.html 15:13:07 * Southern_Gentlem hopes quaid gets this complete brain dump so next year only minir chances are needed 15:13:29 Southern_Gentlem: yep 15:13:34 quaid: "a number of different messages for different audiences" means people responsible for fsoc, mentors, students etc? ;-) 15:13:42 yep 15:14:07 audiences I see are: students, mentors, sponsoring organizations, upstreams and sub-projects 15:14:30 jreznik: have you been able to talk with folks about Brno ideas? 15:15:33 quaid: yes, rvokal is here - he likes the idea 15:16:00 we mentioned it on university last week, I met few people intersted in fsco 15:16:03 fsoc 15:16:07 fsc? 15:16:24 AAE! (acronyms are evil!) 15:16:32 yes, no sco ;-) 15:16:53 what are some questions you all have or might have that you think your universities need to know? 15:16:58 scheduling is one of them 15:17:04 what our plan is in working with uni 15:17:29 level of needed expertise may be another one 15:18:36 yes, plus, "What level of student do you want us to work with? beginner, intermediate, advanced? 15:19:28 quaid: I think we should have more levels - as we have now - bachelors/masters (not sure about right english terminology ;-) 15:20:03 jreznik: yep, or we say "undergraduate and graduate" for the same thing 15:20:28 * jreznik thought that ;-) 15:20:53 ok, I'll be working on the message for those different audiences today 15:21:05 if anyone is around and wants to work on it, or review, etc., #fedora-summer-coding 15:21:27 #action finish [[Summer Coding 2010 plan]] 15:21:39 #action use [[Summer Coding 2010 plan]] to populate [[Summer Coding 2010]] 15:23:06 mchua: let me know if there is anything more we can provide and under what timeline for discussions with Olin 15:23:13 At some point, we probably need to hit all of our communication channels with a status announcement and give some direction for those who are interested in participating. Right now, there is some disjoint between the messages delivered to each channel. People exclusively watching summer-coding do not have the same information as those watching redhat-summer or redhat-summer-mentors, for example. 15:23:32 yes, that's imperative for this week 15:23:54 there is a lot of GSoC stuff going on and we need to be clear what we are doing, yes 15:24:20 I'll make sure to use those channels, but they are a bit out of band, especially now. 15:24:57 ok, carrying a few others over from last week 15:25:09 #action quaid working on updating wiki pages by 31 Mar 15:25:16 If you want to prepare a status announcement, I will work on pointing all channels to it and getting everyone talking through the same channels. 15:25:23 #action need to set deadline for school participation 15:25:27 I saw JRuby doing their summer of code - perhaps also something for use to look at 15:25:28 pwbarnes: ok, thx 15:25:41 pilhuhn: do you have a link for that? 15:25:53 let me check 15:25:58 #action need to set specific list of what a school needs to decide/figure out before deadline 15:26:11 pilhun did you mean http://rubysoc.org/ 15:26:30 wow 15:26:53 dash123: yes 15:27:08 that's useful 15:27:23 #link http://rubysoc.org 15:27:33 Ah, that is Rsoc -- I saw that on jruby related messages - but those guys seem to work nicely together 15:27:49 anyone interested in researching what they are doing and cross-comparing it? 15:28:10 cross-comparing with what we are in the midst of doing, that is ... 15:28:18 I'd do, but /me is offline the next 2 weeks 15:28:22 joomla guys are also cooking up something http://groups.google.com/group/joomla-student-outreach-program 15:28:54 #link http://groups.google.com/group/joomla-student-outreach-program 15:29:06 that's cool, people are getting the idea all over 15:30:13 #action $someone to cross-compare rubysoc.org with Fedora Summer Coding 15:31:08 anything more here? 15:32:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_SIG#Agenda - OpenHatch.org 15:32:46 mchua and I have had separate discussions with Open Hatch 15:33:02 * jreznik is trying to find out how does OpenHatch work 15:33:04 I'm looking for them as a possible way to organize small to large ieas 15:33:38 jreznik: one way is, they have modules for a project bug tracker, and pulls in specially tagged bugs, e.g. "easyfix" 15:34:15 the idea of the project aiui is to be a central location for people looking to get involved and for projects to post small to large needs. 15:34:38 so the bug capture stuff is interesting, but not as much as we need. 15:35:08 but I heard about plans/work to add a "missions" tool that lets projects do several things: 15:35:42 level 1 - small research and get-to-know items -- download this and compile it to see how it feels; read these 5 wiki pages; etc. 15:36:16 level 2 - small project work so the student and projects can learn about each other -- fix a minor bug; document something; do a test day; test a bug fix; etc. 15:36:40 level 3 - sets of small projects or singular larger projects -- these are more like the traditional GSoC work. 15:37:10 I thought it mapped pretty well to a nice process -- let students explore around with level 1 and 2 so they can fit a sub-project they fit with and are interested in 15:37:28 and by the time we get to level 3, the sub-projects and the students know each other, etc. 15:37:45 ok, so when is this stuff coming? May perhaps 15:38:03 so we'll need to do good old wiki-page-full-of-ideas for the sub-projects to post to. 15:39:04 #action finish messaging and get the word out to sub-projects/mentors to compile ideas in [[Summer Coding ideas for 2010]] 15:39:54 The procrastinators will be defining their summer plans in May, so we will have to have at least our basic framework ready by then, or we will miss the window for this summer. 15:40:03 right 15:40:15 my feeling is one that we are already behind 15:40:30 I have that same feeling. 15:40:30 so I have mid-April as the latest 15:40:46 I'm going to try to increase the work I do via mailing list 15:40:58 because I'm feeling a bit like I'm just grasping and not being focused. 15:41:11 which brings me to ... 15:41:19 #topic Task organization 15:41:30 Ok, I have to dro poff -- sorry 15:41:34 k 15:41:47 I don't normally like to load a new project with e.g. Trac, but ... 15:42:13 if this does take off, and even with how complex it is already, we need to have actual task tracking. 15:42:36 so I'm going to request fedorahoste.org/summer-coding and start to load it as a task tracker for the whole summer 15:42:53 anything on that or ... 15:42:56 any other topic? 15:43:36 sounds good to have trac instance 15:45:44 ok, I'm done with agenda items ... and am happy to finish early and keep on working on this stuff ... 15:45:56 any other topics/questions/discussion? 15:49:40 ok, closing down ... 15:49:49 #endmeeting