23:00:37 #startmeeting Fedora Docs 23:00:38 Meeting started Wed Apr 7 23:00:37 2010 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:00:40 #meetingname Fedora Docs 23:00:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 23:00:43 #chair jjmcd 23:00:44 Current chairs: jjmcd stickster 23:01:02 good evening all 23:01:07 #topic roll call 23:01:11 * nathant 23:01:14 * stickster 23:01:15 * jjmcd 23:01:56 wow - short list tonight 23:01:59 * ke4qqq is here 23:02:05 a moment or two late 23:02:35 Lets give it another minute 23:02:59 * jsmith is here... at least for a few minutes 23:03:07 Alright, a few more 23:03:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings <-- Agenda 23:03:23 Oh yeah, sorry forgot that 23:03:32 #topic schecule review 23:03:46 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-tasks.html 23:04:27 No real changes on release notes, how are guides coming? 23:04:29 Next things up -- Project-wide final relnotes deadline reminder -- tomorrow 23:04:54 yep 23:04:54 jjmcd: You're doing the deadline reminder, right? 23:04:59 Correct 23:05:19 Are POTs getting built for guides? 23:05:20 We have doc builds already being posted regularly 23:05:38 Oh, that may be a rudi question -- I know that he posted to L10n and generally people agreed that twice a weeks was good 23:05:39 Looks like L10N agrees with Mon/Thu for POTs 23:05:51 +1 -- L10N likes Mon/Thurs 23:06:30 #action jjmcd Send deadline reminder on 2010-04-08 to devel-announce@, and other lists re: relnotes deadline on 2010-04-19 23:06:53 rudi, how are the POTs plumbed to tfx? 23:07:46 Simply push to git or is there more to it? 23:07:54 jjmcd -- basically, delete the en-US and POT folders from the F13 branch; then 23:07:57 Mon/Thu would be fine. 23:08:07 copy the en-US folder from the master branch to the f13 branch 23:08:18 then run update_pot and update_po in the f13 branch 23:08:27 I should document that on the Wiki :) 23:08:31 :-) 23:08:44 OK, so I will go ahead and script that for release notes, but we still need to deal with the guides 23:08:57 jjmcd -- stand by for the guides 23:09:34 Some are ready now, some are nearly ready, and some are still a way off and may not get translated prior to GA 23:10:02 Ok, lets see if folks need help when we get there on the agenda 23:10:07 Yep 23:10:09 anything else on the schedule? 23:10:37 OK, moving on 23:10:42 wait 23:10:51 * stickster comes back, sorry 23:11:14 We have Freeze of the wiki on 2010-04-19, last POT files in by 2010-04-26 23:11:40 Right, that's what my calendar says, too 23:11:49 #info wiki freeze 2010-04-19 23:11:57 #info Last POT files for relnotes 2010-04-26 23:12:08 good catch - I forget that bot 23:12:09 So between those two dates we need to have all the wiki changes in the beats ported in 23:12:21 correct 23:12:25 Cool, that was it 23:12:31 Just wanted to note for the... uh, notes :-) 23:12:33 OK, anything else? 23:13:13 Nope 23:13:17 #topic Action items from last week 23:13:23 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-31/fedora_docs.2010-03-31-23.05.html 23:13:37 * stickster action items complete, except pre-porting party training session reminder 23:13:57 OK, I'm behind on most of mine. But dates slid a week 23:14:31 I saw ke4qqq working with laubersm and others this week, any comments? 23:15:06 lots of people did chapters on UG 23:15:13 Oh, one item from me. README is badly out of date and I need to bend the ear of someone smarter than I to update it 23:15:52 I did a chapter! 23:16:07 We already talked about POT scheme, rudi did you make any headway on KDE? 23:16:12 jjmcd: I can look at that tonight. 23:16:24 *that* ? 23:16:32 * laubersm is back... 23:16:36 jjmcd -- not yet; Still trying to get F13 to actiually install for me... 23:16:50 * laubersm wonders if stickster finished the chapter, seeing as the wiki does not reflect it is done 23:16:54 Once I manage that; verification should be easy :) 23:16:59 Hopefully today :) 23:17:20 laubersm: I did 23:17:31 Looks like the choice for KDE is alpha. Seems like KDE beta is a rollyour own deal 23:18:11 jjmcd: Actually: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/kde/ 23:18:18 Just pull the latest nightly compose. 23:18:25 * jjmcd never caught the kde 23:18:40 But today I've been working on FC6 (!) 23:18:42 I have a KDE live usb - one of the beta RC but not the most current 23:18:51 OK, cool 23:18:53 Was that all our action items, jjmcd? 23:18:57 Thanks stickster 23:19:09 stickster, you fixed the &PRODUCT; ? 23:19:21 jjmcd: Well... I found one more uncorrected one just now 23:19:34 fixed in master 23:19:36 jjmcd -- Oh, I have some typos to fix in the RN before you refresh 23:20:00 OK, also, infra just made the technical-notes repo, I'm struggling with that first commit, but most of that is in hand 23:20:09 jjmcd: Are we finished with action items? 23:20:22 I think so 23:20:25 #topic Release Notes 23:20:44 L10N status 23:20:48 #link https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/p/docs-release-notes/c/f13/ 23:21:06 Looks like we have a couple more languages done and a couple more very close 23:21:14 L10N rocks! 23:21:58 The current challenge is I need previous version of Publican for release notes proper, current version for technical notes 23:22:00 #info 7 languages at 100%, 2 more > 80%, 6 more > 30% 23:22:20 jjmcd: What's going on with Publican and the release notes "proper"? 23:22:29 And what's the difference? 23:22:44 Latest Publican has an undesireable feature 23:22:47 Drops the TOC 23:22:51 Which is? 23:22:53 eew 23:22:55 Is that an option we can turn on? 23:22:56 But fixes some issues with big tables 23:22:59 jjmcd -- I'll have a fix for you today 23:23:04 According to rudi yes 23:23:08 stickster -- yeah 23:23:08 coolio! 23:23:28 Right now I'm flipping between rpms :-) 23:23:44 OK, anything else on release notes? 23:24:15 It seems like we're pretty much on track, yeah? 23:24:21 I think so 23:24:35 I don't think we will have an overwhelming amount to port 23:24:39 * stickster is comparing the rocky road that was F11/F12 to now... so much easier with the Publican/Tx interface working properly! 23:24:51 ABSOLUTELY 23:25:04 We should totally thank ricky, glezos, diegobz, juhp and others for that. 23:25:15 By setting up the new Tx they made things *SO* much easier for everyone. 23:25:33 stickster, perhaps you, me and sparks should organize dueling blogs 23:25:46 jjmcd: right on! 23:26:06 It really is a pleasure now 23:26:06 #action stickster jjmcd sparks Create blogs to thank the folks who worked on the rollout of new Transifex 23:26:19 and without all the merging, I can appreciate the new publican speed, too 23:26:47 OK, anything else on release notes? 23:27:09 nada 23:27:13 #topic Guide status 23:27:34 Anyone with info on live images? 23:27:39 yup 23:27:47 it's updated and branched 23:27:52 translations coming in 23:28:00 should I start doing builds yet? 23:28:03 way cool, thanks nathant 23:28:13 nathant -- absolutely 23:28:13 Yes, probably not a bad plan 23:28:23 Did my wiki page on building make any sense? 23:28:26 * nathant adds to his to-do list 23:28:41 jjmcd: yes -great help, thanks! 23:28:51 nathant: Nicely done sir! 23:29:05 though for the time being it's just mon and thurs, right? 23:29:07 I always wonder whether anyone can fathom what I'm saying! 23:29:29 That's because it's so deep. (*bucket o fish!*) 23:29:36 nathant, we've been building every night, POTs mon/thu 23:29:46 oh, ok! 23:30:13 Once rudi wikis the POT process that sounds like a piece of cake 23:30:21 there'll be a few nights when a build won't get done 23:30:33 i'll be away 23:30:46 cron is your friend 23:31:11 * jjmcd is real good buddies with him 23:31:17 wouldn't that mean leaving my machine switched on for days on end? 23:31:35 nathant, yeah, which you might not be inclined to do 23:31:53 just thinking about the electricity 23:31:57 yep 23:32:11 especially with these gigihertz, multi-core monsters 23:32:14 In the future we could request a publictest* system from the infrastructure guys for that purpose. 23:32:47 We should think about that for 14. It is a lot of crunching, umpteen guides times a bazillion languages 23:32:50 Yup. 23:33:14 #idea Request a publictest system from Infrastructure in F14 for release notes building. Add this to the schedule pre-Alpha! 23:33:22 I'll talk to poelcat about that. 23:33:35 Anything else on guides? Anyone need any help? 23:33:38 UG is under control (thanks to the beta slip). Just a couple of items... 23:33:41 I'm not quite done with my part so I cannot complain that I am also waiting on rudi 23:33:48 ogh wait I just did :) 23:33:59 IQSG is doing well thanks to bcotton and emad78 23:33:59 There are 2 items in the todo for this month (not this week) 23:34:05 lolz -- have the new nightly compose coming down the pipes right now 23:34:06 jjmcd: nathant: By the way, I can provide a host here at my house if needed. I have a humongous powerhouse machine that's on 24/7 here. 23:34:06 they've plowed through a ton of work 23:34:23 rudi: nice! 23:34:26 luigi needs some help with the new Netowrking chapter and there is an open request for a printing chapter 23:34:37 It is really great to see bcotton, nathant, emad78 diving in 23:34:48 stickster: what would I need to do to set that up? 23:34:51 bcotton, nathant, Emad78: APPLAUSE! 23:34:58 * nathant blushes 23:35:00 also lewis14 23:35:02 nathant: Just ask -- get with me in #fedora-docs after this and we'll set it up 23:35:12 stickster: ok 23:35:22 yes laubersm he seems to be around when I'm asleep so I forget him 23:35:39 uitstekend! 23:36:05 Any more on guides? 23:36:30 Lots of new Anaconda screens for IG/IQSG I noticed... 23:36:52 yep 23:37:21 stickster, since you know the big picture... where is artwork on backgrounds? 23:37:30 in the past they had a diff one for beta than for alpha 23:37:41 but I was looking at their pages and I am not as sure it is going to change 23:37:56 * laubersm has a todo item to figure out when to refresh the UG screenshots 23:38:20 laubersm: A new version was just created by a new designer 23:38:31 laubersm: And it's pretty sweet, so it may be landing slightly post-Beta 23:38:47 laubersm: You might want to drop a note to the design-team@ list to ask about this. 23:38:47 ok, thanks stickster 23:39:05 #action laubersm Write note to design-team@ list to ask about refresh of wallpaper due to UG screenshots 23:39:05 I'll continue with my plan to contact the team here at some point 23:39:12 Perhaps mo could provide you with the image for docs 23:39:46 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork#Concepts.2C_WIP_Designs <-- look at the last (bottom right) entry 23:40:06 I kinda like the klingon artwork on alpha 23:40:13 :-) 23:40:41 Anything else on guides (I sound like a broken record) 23:40:59 #topic Beta Announcement 23:41:02 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Beta_announcement 23:41:47 Looks like we need some feature prose 23:41:51 I like the rocket squid by itself but thinkk the rocket trails is a better background 23:41:54 This is a paste of Ryan's draft -- which was on time in the original schedule, and is now early 23:42:14 #info Ryan is planning to work on some content, but will need help moving in other important stuff from release notes 23:42:39 What timezone is Ryan on? 23:42:53 jjmcd: effectively pacific 23:43:51 is he on channel with any frequency? 23:44:03 he' in -mktg all the time 23:44:09 or at least it seems that way 23:44:17 He's here too, rrix 23:44:22 ahhh ok 23:44:50 I guess we only have a few days 23:45:14 jjmcd: The release notes stuff is in pretty good shape at this point -- we should take that time to bring some content from there into the announcement page to help Ryan out. 23:45:16 next readiness meeting is later tonight isn't it? 23:45:32 laubersm: Yes, 0000 UTC (8:00pm Eastern) 23:45:37 the RC test cases were not looking that great this afternoon.... 23:45:52 That's not good. RC5 was supposed to fix a bunch of late problems. 23:46:29 honestly, I just still saw some red and bug numbers but didn't look to see the detaisl 23:46:39 they may not be blockers 23:46:56 * jjmcd can try to help rrix but I have some drama going on downstate, afraid I might get pulled away 23:47:38 if necessary I can work with rrix to get something ready 23:47:47 if jjmcd is pulled away 23:47:49 ke4qqq: You sure? WIth the other guide stuff going on? 23:48:07 yeah iqsg is almost done (and others are doing the heavy lifting 23:48:10 I'll try to help too 23:48:19 ke4qqq, spent last day and a half onna fone with DECs, ECs, government types, section types, just awful 23:48:19 ig is (I think) still waiting on rudi to do a mass import 23:48:28 #action ke4qqq stickster Get some release notes content into [[F13 Beta announcement]] page to help rrix 23:48:35 ke4qqq: Ah 23:48:39 Yeah, IG and IQSG 23:48:42 jjmcd: speaking as a former aec any conversation with them is awful :) 23:48:50 hehe 23:48:54 OK, OT guys -- let's finish the meeting :-) 23:49:01 * stickster has to vamoose at 20:00 for the release meeting 23:49:04 Moving on 23:49:14 #topic Outstanding BZ tickets 23:49:20 * laubersm hears the sound of whips cracking and an echo echo echo 23:49:24 Anyone have any issues they need help on 23:49:37 stickster, actually, I think we are on track 23:49:46 We'll get kicked out then anyway 23:49:46 #link http://is.gd/bjdwP 23:49:52 Oh, true dat! 23:50:37 Anyone need help with bugs? 23:51:23 rudi, re: #544656, installed RNs now have a